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Published: Wednesday, July 10 2013 8:00 p.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

"No, the conference isn't trying to add another team."

It isn't that we're against expansion.

There just aren't any worthy teams until you get to Texas and Oklahoma. I could still see them joining the Pac 12 at some point in the future.

There is no question the Pac 12 is a more high profile league than the Big 12.

I love the Pac 12!

Go Utes!

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

I wonder if the WAC/WCC/MWC has the clout to do something like this.

LOL

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Looks like the millions of BYU fans in China will be able to see and cheer for a team from Utah after all!

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Who am I sir:
"Looks like the millions of BYU fans in China will be able to see and cheer for a team from Utah after all!"

What team from Utah? The article doesn't mention any teams from Utah on the PAC12s China plans thus far, unless I missed something.

Chris B:
"There just aren't any worthy teams until you get to Texas and Oklahoma. I could still see them joining the Pac 12 at some point in the future".

Texas already rejected the PAC12 because they can have more clout and money now in the Big 12 than they ever would have had in the PAC. Now before any ute fans start their schpeel about the PAC rejecting Texas...no, Texas told the PAC what they wanted, the PAC was unwilling to make concessions and Texas didn't budge in their demands. Probably glad they didn't because they are making an enormous amount of money without the left coast hippy league now. Btw, the Big 12 has the highest per team payout of any conference, so the networks obviously don't agree with your opinion of the PAC12 vs the Big 12. "LOL"

ekute
Layton, UT

A sensible, well thought reality to "expand the conference brand".
Not some whimsical, highfalutin, overinflated pipe dream.

Go Utes.
Go Pac12.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

This is interesting. Although the PAC has the money to do this, I wonder if the payoff will be something worth the university presidents approval and Scott's vision (whatever it is).

Will this influence other power conferences to spend their efforts exploring this? I sort of doubt that one. Still, realize that where SEC football is religion, the overall sports program quality trails the PAC.

Utah is trying to build their programs to climb up the conference ladder, but they still compare well with many other BCS conference schools in athletic achievement. Being at the bottom of the PAC doesn't mean Utah's gymnastice program isn't elite, and has been for 30+ years. Those types of examples make Utah a better fit for the PAC than many others all around. BYU fans forget that about Utah, because BYU has many sports (golf and volleyball to name a few) that are in the upper echelon. My point? Hate not my friends. On second thought, that sounds like advice from the least interesting man in the world. Dissect that one twilight zoners.

Dutchman
Murray, UT

University of Utah trustees signed off on a plan in March 2013 to open its first international branch campus in South Korea in a project subsidized by the South Korean government. President David Pershing at the U and the other PAC 12 presidents are the ones pushing Larry Scott on this endeavor because they see the academic and research benefit of being actively involved in the pacific rim. This is a lot more than an athletic move.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

I thought we were the only TV in China.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Chris B:
"There just aren't any worthy teams until you get to Texas and Oklahoma. I could still see them joining the Pac 12 at some point in the future".

Btw, the Big 12 has the highest per team payout of any conference, so the networks obviously don't agree with your opinion of the PAC12 vs the Big 12. "LOL"

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Not for long. The next SEC deal will make them #1 in TV payouts per team.

When you combine conference revenue from bowl games, TV payouts, and NCAA tournaments:

1. Big 10
2. Pac 12
3. ACC
4. SEC
5. Big 12
9. MWC

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

WACPaddled:
"When you combine conference revenue from bowl games, TV payouts, and NCAA tournaments:
1. Big 10
2. Pac 12
3. ACC
4. SEC
5. Big 12
9. MWC"

This is actually a ranking by total revenue, not a per team payout as I was discussing. What many people forget is that the Big 12 teams own their own 3rd tier rights and make enormous amounts of money on those rights. When avg 3rd tier rights are taken into consideration, the Big 12 is still number 1, followed closely by the B1G. However I do agree that when the SEC signs their deal they will surpass the Big 12. All that said, the PAC12 will be 4th, which hardly supports Chris Bs assessment of where the conferences stack up.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougsndawgs:

"Btw, the Big 12 has the highest per team payout of any conference, so the networks obviously don't agree with your opinion of the PAC12 vs the Big 12. 'LOL'"

That sounds "made up". Last I heard, the Big 12 inked a 13-yr $2.6 billion deal. That breaks down to $200 million/yr; ultimately $20 million/team annually.

The Pac-12 signed a 12-yr $3 billion deal. That breaks down to $250 million/yr; ultimately $20.83 million annually.

The Pac-12's agreement was signed back in May of 2011. The Big 12's was done in Sept. of 2012. So despite negotiating with the networks nearly a year and a half after the Pac-12 did, they STILL got a smaller deal. $20M < $20.83M. You're gonna need to back that "highest per team payout of any conference" up with something that can be verified.

Can you? Or did you frantically and emotionally make that up?

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Cougs - you really arguing per school payouts from conferences? Nobody here cares what the WCC conference pays out, so why do you care so much that you have to comment on this story?

And - PLEASE - stop confronting Chris B! You only encourage him!!

Go Utes!! Onward and Upward!!

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

On June 22, DNews printed an article about BYU scheduling international games. Several Ute fans ridiculed the idea. Now that the PAC is looking at the idea, U think it's a great idea?

@chris b - "I wonder if the WAC/WCC/MWC has the clout to do something like this." I don't know, but I do know that BYU has the clout to do something like this and is a step ahead of the PAC.

Watching Tyler Haws play in the World University games in Russia on ESPN shows me know that there is an appetite for American sports across the pond.

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Nice post Dutchman. I hope the pacific rim endeavor really pays off. Guillermo Del Toro makes good movies!

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

CougFaninTX: "Several Ute fans ridiculed the idea"

Let me guess, Chris B was one of them. Just like little ducky will be ridiculing this story. Don't link all Utah fans in with the postings of trollers, just like I won't hold you accountable for what the little duck says. You can be an intelligent poster, but your credibility fails when you come on to a completely Utah story (although the word "university" does appear in this article, it is neither preceded nor followed by the words "brigham" or "young") simply to combat Chris B. Chris B loves to get under thin skin, and you are obliging him.

Go Utes! Onward and Upward!

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@CougFaninTX

On June 22, DNews printed an article about BYU scheduling international games. Several Ute fans ridiculed the idea. Now that the PAC is looking at the idea, U think it's a great idea?

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That article was about BYU playing football games overseas. I don't think many people outside of the US give a diddly tech about American football. That article clearly said that no team was interested in playing a football game overseas:

"For Holmoe, it’s a tantalizing idea — playing a college football game in a place like Mexico City, London, Berlin or Beijing... I would be really excited about that, but there aren't a lot of other teams that are excited about that. People don't want to do that.”.

"But I do know that BYU has the clout to do something like this and is a step ahead of the PAC."

BYU is a step ahead of the PAC-12 in what? Brand?

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Cougsndawgs

Texas told the PAC-12 what they wanted and the PAC-12 "LOL".

When they stopped "LOL" they said no thanks. We'll let the BIG 12, which was on the verge of collapsing, deal with your demands.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@vegas ute

fail

So in the article a few weeks ago about Tom Holmoe being "intrigued" with scheduling international games we had the following utah "fan" comments.

"The Deuce

Do you get the feeling that the wheels are starting to come off the bus. First, you go independent without thinking about scheduling. Now the AD starts to think about taking college football to regions that would be more interested in a soccer game than a football game."

"Ernest T. Bass

We already own viewership in China. If we could schedule games in Canada we could own three countries thanks to the ESPN contract."

"Who am I sir?

One more article about BYU's scheduling. In this one Mr. Holmoe is intrigued. In others he is interested, pleading, critical, etc"

"ImaCaMan

To our one billion fans in China- here we come!"

Interesting how the utah "fan" take on this is different when it is the pac12 talking about doing it. Oh and by the way, BYUtv is already available in china but it is nice to see that larry scott and the pac12 pay attention to what BYU is leading in and try to follow suit.

LOL!

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Naval Vet:
"That sounds "made up". Last I heard, the Big 12 inked a 13-yr $2.6 billion deal. That breaks down to $200 million/yr; ultimately $20 million/team annually".

Forbes: "Because the Big 12 only has 10 teams, each school's share is $26.2 million, which is the most per school in the major conferences". Or just go to the Forbes article: "Big 10 Tops Revenue List, But Big 12 Richest League Per School".

The above quote can be found at Sports Illustrated, Sporting News, CBSSports, College Confidential, SBNation, etc. You became "frantic" (again) and didn't take into account bowls, or NCAA didn't you? Again the B1G was highest overall, but the Big 12 highest per school, and after the SEC signs their deal, the PAC12 will be all the way back at #4 per school.

VegasUte:
"And - PLEASE - stop confronting Chris B! You only encourage him"

I agree, I should know better. Thanks for reminding me lol.

BruinRay97
San Diego, CA

"Texas told the PAC what they wanted, the PAC was unwilling to make concessions and Texas didn't budge in their demands." With all due respect sir, the only sticking point in 2012 was that UT had started negotiations with ESPN to form The Longhorn Network. The Pac12 presidents did mot approve of this, because of the impending Pac12 Network, and voted NOT to proceed with the expansion. In 2010, Texas declined an invitation because it did not agree with equal revenue sharing with fellow conference members. As far as Big12 making any significant amount on money on 3rd tier rights, the demand isn't there yet, according to several publications. I am in agreement with you concerning any Big12 schools joining the Pac 12. It's NOT going to happen. In my opinion, the Pac12 made an EPIC mistake in not inviting the Oklahoma schools last year. That didn't even get a vote, just a polite "no thank you". Maybe the Pac learns from their mistake and extends your fine school an invite?

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