2 bits, As someone that has worked on projects involving over 10,000
prison or jail cells, including Oxbox, Gunnison and many others, I believe you
are wrong. The land around the existing prison will drop in price.
You add that much more land available to develop and the existing won't be
worth as much. Ask the local mayors.The thousands of volunteers will
not be as close and it would also hurt the visitors coming. Both are used to
help prisoners not to come back. Even if we could save a few bucks, at what
cost? If you leave those two out, you will need more buildings than we need
now.There isn't the higher education or hospitals where they
have discussed moving it. The prison already can't get enough guards
because they don't want to commute that far in the future.I
wonder about the $500M to $600M to build a new facility, move, and demo the old
one. Perhaps, but in this case it is the staff and the people that cost more.
cjb,Prisons are "classical state needs", not "Extras".IF the prison is not moved... it has to be rebuilt where it is.
It's too old and small to do it's job. The demographics of the area
have changed a lot since 1951. It's no longer the best location for a
prison.There are real reasons for moving it.If we want
to keep it where it is... let your voice be heard. It will cost more money to
rebuild in Draper, but if that's what everybody wants, you should get it.
@2 bits Near the prison there are now thousands of homes on traverse mtn. At one
time there were no homes there and our elected officials passed a law banning
four wheeling and motorcycles from scarring the foot hills, an ugly sight for
those in the valley. Thank goodness we don't have to look at those scars
Love this article. Keep the prison where it is--an important reminder to us
all. If it goes out of sight, it goes out of mind, and this should not be.
It is said moving prison will create a profit. If so let the developers take the
risk and the profit. Find a way to do this. Tax dollars should be spent on
classical state needs, such as police and education and roads. State spending
should be the basics only. We shouldn't spend money on extras like this.
Of course tax payers should have the final say. But that doesn't mean we
need a referendum for every decision. The way voters have the final say is by
going to the public input sessions and making SURE your elected representatives
involved in this decision know their job is on the line. Call your
representatives. Bug them!I guarantee you... IF enough tax payers
make sure politicians know they don't want this, and politicians know we
will vote them out next chance they get IF they do it anyway... it won't
happen. They want their jobs. They know you control whether they stay or
they go. Use that power.I really don't think this is only
motivated by real estate agents in the legislature. IF you've been to any
of the meetings... you know there ARE some good reasons for moving the Prison.
The new locations being considered may not be the most convenient locations
(same issue when SugarHouse prison was closed). But the current location is
not optimal anymore either. The valley has changed a LOT since the point of
the mountain facility was built. There ARE valid reasons to move it.
Excellent. As one who regularly visited a childhood friend in the prison, I
affirm the argument that people wouldn't visit as frequently for a more
distant prison. Although I'm currently a student 1500 miles away, I feel
strongly enough about this to leave my first comment ever. Please, please get
more public input before moving forward, legislature.
The comments here show how little the "people" actually KNOW about this
issue.Irony Guy,Do you really KNOW "Certain people will
make a vast fortune when the prison is relocated"? I don't. Who are
they? Can you name them? You seem to insinuate that you know "CERTAIN
people" who will profit. Who are these Certain people? Or does
"Certain People" just mean "any random developer"?Someday my kids will need a home to live in. What's so EEEVil about
building new homes? We all need a place to live. Without evil developers...
would YOU have a home?There are good reasons for moving the prison
(other than profit for certain evil developers). But most people don't
know them. All they know is the "EEEVil developer" rhetoric.
Taxpayers should have a say, but they're rarely going to have enough
information to make a wise decision. I would wager that, at best, it could be
described as a knee jerk decision. Ask any taxpayer if money should be spent on
anything and, as a matter of self interest, they will probably say no.
Sorry to be cynical, but "government of, by, and for land developers" is
a permanent fixture of Utah. Certain people will make a vast fortune when the
prison is relocated, while the Utah taxpayers will be gouged for a new $billion
prison in the desert. Just count up the number of real-estate developers in the
Legislature. They along with Governor Realtor have no qualms about sticking it
to the taxpayer in order to line their pockets and those of their friends. a
Good letter. Well argued and researched.
We do have a say... Via our local representatives. If we don't like how
they're representing is then maybe we should elect different folks?
Maybe... A different party? So the GOP will finally be held accountable?
We should have a say, but should every land decision be voted on? I think our
say should come in the form of public hearings (not an election). If we must
have an election for every State or county property transaction... we would
never make any progress.What do most people know about the reasons
for relocating things like a prison?All most people know is they
hate developers and they suspect they are going to get something out of this...
so they are against it. Fact is... it hasn't even been determined what
the land would be used for IF the prison moved. I think it's a great idea
to keep it in public hands, but that means the public (instead of a developer)
would have to pay to deconstruct the facility and dispose of all the material
and reclaim the land. If that expense isn't too high.... I think it would
be great to keep it as open space.But really... what do most Utahns
know about the details of moving the prison (only what they hear on the news...
right). So should THEY decide? Basically that's letting the DMN decide.
If the prison is relocated, the state should follow precedent and keep the
property in public hands for public purpose, a la Sugar House Park. Maintaining
public recreational open space amongst the rampant sprawl that characterizes the
south valley will be seen as a prescient move in a few decades.Alternatively, place a twenty year moratorium on development so that no
sitting legislator stands to profit from the move.
Truth in Taxation. The truth is Ut, voted to give up that privilege. Ut. voted
not to support the school's with nuclear wast. Ut. trusts their leaders.
Taxpayers? Have any say? Ha, ha, ha. This is Utah; where do the campaign
contributions come from, look there for those who have the "say".
But this is Utah.Where Land Developers and Corporations have all the
says so, and TaxPayers just get stuck with the bills.