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Published: Thursday, July 11 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Iron Rod
Salt Lake City, UT

OK if the Affordable Health Care Act is repealed, what is planned to replace it with?
Or are we happy with the current insurance situation?

The Skeptical Chymist
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

We waited a very long time for Congress to do anything regarding health care, and then, when Obamacare was finally adopted, it was essentially a Republican plan. The individual mandate was first proposed by the Heritage Foundation in 1989 and subsequently was offered as part of the Republican response to President Clinton's health reform plan in 1993. Finally, a version of Obamacare became the signature accomplishment of Governor Mitt Romney in Massachusetts. I agree it is a hodgepodge, and we can do better. But if we repeal it in its entirety and then try to put together a new plan, we will be waiting forever to get something new in place. I suspect that Mr. Liljenquist would be one of those, who if in office, would be actively preventing replacement legislation from being enacted.

There are better alternatives - specifically, a single-payer system. Why not expand Medicare to cover everyone? It has very low administrative costs compared to private insurance, and it works well. We could allow individuals to purchase supplemental insurance from companies of their choice, just as Medicare participants do. Problem solved.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Where, as in the case of sickness and accident, neither the desire to avoid such calamities nor the efforts to overcome their consequences are as a rule weakened by the provision of assistance – where, in short, we deal with genuinely insurable risks – the case for the state’s helping to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance is very strong."-- Hayek

JKR
Holladay, UT

"...as in medicine", as a practicing physician I am thoroughly sick of trying to treat uninsured people. These persons often cannot afford medicines required for their conditions, and they certainly cannot afford home IV therapy, not to mention hospital bills. No one plans on becoming sick or injured, but this happens every day. Most of these uninsured patients have smartphones and they drive automobiles, so it's easy to ask questions about their priorities. (Their automobiles must be insured, by law.)

The saying about how your freedom ends where my rights begin applies here. The general public has the right to avoid paying for medical care of the uninsured. Mr. Lilenquist and the other ACA naysayers should offer solutions to these problems rather than just saying "no". For now the concepts of individual insurance exchanges, employer coverage, and expansion of Medicaid are all we have. Let's get going.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Everyone that demands Cadillac quality healthcare for Yugo or Pinto prices is fooling themselves! You get what you pay for! Obamacare is just another attempt by the government to short circuit economic realities and get something for nothing! Like every other price manipulation scam, it will fail! In fact, it already has failed! There is only one way to get cheaper healthcare; settle for less quality healthcare and even the great Obama can not change that! Obamacare offers neither cheap healthcare nor quality healthcare.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

All the time, man hours and money wasted on this. I can only imagine how many hospital's and Doctor's we could of built.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

The whole point and purpose of the ACA was to bring about a single payer system. It may happen sooner than expected...

FreedomFighter41
Orem, UT

Until repubs offer an alternative plan, I'll just consider their complaining about the ACA as merely sour grapes for a Democrat passing a Republican health care plan.

They must be really angry that Bush never got around to doing anything about health care despite having 8 years to do it.

The party of no solutions and do-nothing is becoming less and less relevant with each passing day.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

The alternative plan is the only plan that is Constitutionally legal. That plan is to do as Mitt Romney did and let the STATE or the PEOPLE handle their health care needs. If a State's Constitution allows that State to mandate health insurance, then that State has been authorized by its citizens to perform that duty. If a State's Constitution does not allow the State to mandate health insurance, then that duty falls to the people to furnish their own health insurance.

The United States Constitution DOES NOT authorize Congress to tax us for health care nor does it allow Congress to mandate health care for American citizens. The Court ruled only that Obamacare was a tax. Because that tax had not been implemented, no harm could be proven; therefore, the Court could not rule on the TAX. The Court did not approve Obamacare.

The Duties of the Federal Government are enumerated. Those duties cannot be added to or subtracted from without an amendment. The 10th Amendment handles all duties not enumerated and strictly forbids the Federal Government from appointing itself to perform those duties. They are to be left to the States or to the People.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Freedom fighter. The Republicans have proposed several alternative plans; tort reform, healthcare savings accounts and allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines. One can argue about the effectiveness of these proposals but the most important ingredient is CHOICE! Obamacare is forced upon us and no one has any choices!

The Skeptical Chymist
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

@Mountainman

Every European country that offers a universal healthcare plan provides health care coverage for ALL of their citizens at about half the cost of healthcare in the US. It is not noticeably worse healthcare coverage, either. There an a GREAT many inefficiencies in the US system, and most would be remedied by expanding Medicare to cover everyone.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Chymist. There are about 40-50 million uninsured Americans (many by choice). That's more than the entire population of every country in Europe and with their near zero population growth and very little immigration,can you tell me how we are going to pay the healthcare bills for 40-50 million people? Single payer will not help, all that does is eliminate competition and creates a healthcare monopoly. Can you name one monopoly that has ever reduced costs, provided incentive for technology advancements or cared about quality?

Steve C. Warren
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Liljenquist's column is a microcosm of the national Republican Party--just say no but offer no solutions. Today's Tribune cartoon ("Republicans vow to repeal and replace Obamacare with . . . Eleph-icare") accurately depicts what the GOP has to offer.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"The alternative plan is the only plan that is Constitutionally legal. That plan is to do as Mitt Romney did and let the STATE or the PEOPLE handle their health care needs."

So why hasn't Utah done that? Massachusetts did. Why not Utah?

Under the ACA Utah is permitted to opt out and create its own state operated health care system like Romneycare for Mass. So why hasn't Utah's legislature gotten off their rears to do it? Do we lack the proactitvity and accountability to do it? Do we fear funding it just like how we fear funding education?

Repubs have not a single leg to stand on.

Don't like Obamacare? Fine. But offer a solution. Want a state centered solution? Fine. Then Utah, get off your rear and create and fund it.

Don't want to do anything? Fine. Then stop complaining.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

The House has repealed it. Over and over and over again. Complete waste of time.
Fine, you want to get rid of it, propose something better. The status quo is completely unacceptable. I'm not a huge fan of the ACA either, but a single-payer plan proved politically untenable. So we went with a conservative, Republican plan, the Mitt Romney plan. And Republicans still whine about it.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Iron Rod,
Too much MSNBC for you! The repubs HAVE offered solutions, MSNBC and the DNC just won’t let you know about them. Please stop repeating the lie that repubs offered no solutions.

But when you pull a knife out of someone’s back, do you replace it with something, or just try to heal the wound. Doing NOTHING would have been better than Obamacare.

FreedomFighter41,
See comment above. Question, why are you fighting against freedom as your name and comments suggest?

Steven Warren,
See comment for Iron Rod.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

It should be repealed. And replaced with a single payer health care system. Which has been proven time and again in nation after nation to provide a better outcome for a lower per capita cost than our mess of a system.

Cameron
Eagle Mountain, UT

Those complaining there are no alternatives to the ACA simply reveal they aren't paying attention. There are dozens of alternative plans and polcy proposals out there.

They also reveal a terrible penchant for blindly following the "we have to do something!" argument - without knowing whether that "something" is better or worse than what we already have.

The goal of health care reform should not be to insure everyone. It should be to ensure that everyone has access to affordable services. Contrary to politicians' statements, the former prevents the latter.

FreedomFighter41
Orem, UT

This long history of complaining about the ACA from the right reminds me of Laman and Lemuel from the Book of Mormon. When Nephi's bow broke, what did they do? Did they help him fix it? Did they offer solutions? Nope. All they did was murmur.

Same thing here.

When will the GOP stop imitating Laman and Lemuel and help solve some of our nation's problems?

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

It is sad to see America sinking in the mud like this with no way to save itself. Yes we can and should blame corrupt and inept leaders like Obama but Barack didn't elect himself to office. The people of this country - as a majority - have fallen off the wagon. As a majority now America has become a lazy, ignorant, entitlement bound, uninformed society not deserving of freedom or prosperity. The remaining 40% who are patriotic and smart don't have the political power anymore to overcome the ignorant and stupid majority along with their corrupt media. It feels like we are being drug under by a giant boat anchor tied around our necks. Obamacare is nothing more than an ugly by-product of the state of the union.

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