So, your sticking with your poor analogy?The 2 have nothing in common.One is information PRE the other is information POST, see the
To "Happy Valley Heretic" where is your proof? According to the
congressional report Bush did not lie.According to the report that
Congress made, the "lies" were all due to the intelligence comunity.
Again, Bush stated what he was lead to believe was the truth. Bush didn't
lie, the CIA and intelligence community did. Just go and read the Congressional
report, and avoid the liberal tinfoil hat websites.If you disagree,
provide your proof.
@RedShirtMIT who said "To "UtahBlueDevil" just look at the
difference between the two. Bush, told us what he could about his reasoning for
going into Iraq. The Congressional investigation confirmed what he said. Obama
lied to the american public for over a week before telling us the truth. Obama
did not send additional security to Benghazi when it was requested or react to
the verified threats."So you going to compare going to war with
Iraq, to an attack with little or no warning?If you can compare these two
completely different situations as similar than you don't understand
analogies very well....and Bush lied for years leading up to, during
and even now his apologist continue to believe faithfully as a religious cult,
that Bush never mislead the American public into his war of convenience.
To "UtahBlueDevil" just look at the difference between the two. Bush,
told us what he could about his reasoning for going into Iraq. The
Congressional investigation confirmed what he said. Obama lied to the american
public for over a week before telling us the truth. Obama did not send
additional security to Benghazi when it was requested or react to the verified
threats.Now tell us, which would you like for a President. One who
will tell the truth or one that will lie to the american people?To
"atl134" you realize that the deaths of the protestors was due to
Egyptian military/police forces and not the protesters themselves.
@Eric Samuelsen "The initial talking points were edited several times, with
feedback from many sources, including various intelligence agencies and
including State."And after a dozen edits from these sources,
still no mention of a spontaneous demonstration over a video. The Obama
administration still has not told us when the false story was introduced, or by
whom. Obama himself told the falsehood at the U.N. when he already knew better.
Hillary Clinton told the story to family members of the victims, when she knew
better."The President had already called it a terrorist
attack."Glenn Kessler, the fact checker at the Washington Post,
gives this claim four Pinocchios. Obama condemned terrorist attacks in general
the following day, but would not admit even two weeks later (Sep 25, on The
View) that the Benghazi attack had been carried out by terrorists."...everyone in State...Egypt...At least eight embassies were in danger
because of the video."Not according to Gregory Hicks, who was
stunned and embarrassed when he heard Susan Rice making those claims. Because he
was in Libya, and he knew the truth."But so what?"Barack Obama lied to you. That's what.
I'm sure glad to see another letter from Clark Larsen of Holladay in the DN
again. I don't catch every letter every day but it's been awhile since
I've seen Clark weigh in on an issue (that was published). I agree with his
letter but at this point I tend to think that America has the government it
deserves and in fact voted for (allegedly) twice. I don't think Barack
Obama even wanted to be re-elected but Americans re-elected him anyway
(allegedly). What really makes me angry about Benghazi is that the admin
sent out our UN Ambassador to blatantly lie about the circumstances. No lefties,
Bush did not lie about WMD in Iraq. He used the best intelligence available
which was agreed to/ with by French intelligence, German intelligence, etc etc.
I do not understand how the American left tolerates the utter disdain this
Administration has for them. They show zero regard for the average
citizen's intelligence (i.e. they think you're stupid)
And what difference does it make if Obama was in the "situation room"...
or in the bathroom reading the news paper while on the other thrown? Are you
kidding me?What did you expect him to do? Sprinkle pixie dust, and
make magical surgical strike teams magically appear in Libya? Where
was Bush - why didn't he stop planes from slamming into the World Trade
Center? Or the Pentagon?Where was Clinton when our troops were
attacked in Somalia?Where was Reagan when 400 Marines died in
Lebanon in a bombing of their barracks?These kind of questions mean
what..... Reagan did not personally take over command and control in Libya,
Clinton didn't take over command and control in Somalia, and Bush .....
well I like the guy.... he just had a really poor supporting staff.Oh come on Redshirt... he told the truth..... "based on the information he
had". The information he had was not conclusive - otherwise it would not
have been so wrong. And Iran-Contra.... that was also just a big
misunderstanding too..... they had no idea those weapons were being sent to
Iran? That the revenues from that were being funneled to the Contra's.
@zac.... "With those 13 attacks under Bush, how many times was Bolton
directed to go on a talk show tour and lie about some video?"Please google Colin Powell UN testimony. I am blown away that
some on the right think a terrorist attack in a country known to be near lawless
some how even falls into the same camp as lying before the UN, claiming
undeniable proof that there are WMD in Iraq, a war the resulted in the deaths of
more than 100,000 people. That takes either a very selective memory, or just
pure disdain for honesty.Then add to that, these same people think
that the failure to stop the killing of for US in Libya somehow is a greater
tragedy and failure of intelligence the the 3,000 people killed on US soil.
Where these same people... crying out saying that 9/11 was a bigger failure than
Watergate? How in the world can you have morals and convictions
that rise and fall so greatly based on the party who holds the White House.
Has honesty and integrity become such lost virtues that hate and spit of another
political party can justify this?
@Redshirt"lets see, "protestors" armed with RPGs and fully
automatic weapons. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that it was a
planned attack against the embassy, and was not the result of a protest."Didn't protests in Egypt just break out into violence with over 50
@mike richards I would think that it is those that have openly and
publicly been bent since day one on seeing the fall off and have repeatedly
called for the impeachment of a President that was twice voted for by the
majority of Americans that may need help.
Could you outraged conservatives put a little effort into 9/11? 3000 people died
even though Bush himself was in charge and warned specifically that Alqaida
wanted to fly airplanes into buildings.That was just an attack
right? Nobody could have imagined...
I'm looking. Mike. But I wonder if you see the whole picture. Look at
DeLay. Look at Cunningham. Look at Cheney. Look at Scooter. Look at Mitt's
false accusations which he never withdrew. If you're trying to imply some
inherent integrity within the Republican Party, I'd say look at the
birthers, the anti-Obama conspirators and the "voter fraud" zealots
tilting the election playing field as we speak.
Nate:Not so. The initial talking points were edited several times, with
feedback from many sources, including various intelligence agencies and
including State. The President had already called it a terrorist attack. The
military didn't want to use the word 'Al Qaeda' because they
didn't want to give away specific intel on the investigation. So they used
'extremist' instead. And that's what you're so upset about?
As for the video, everyone in State had been on edge for days over that
video. Egypt was in chaos over the video. At least eight embassies were in
danger because of the video. OF COURSE State couldn't let the video go.
It's basic human nature. But so what? Ambassador Rice wasn't
testifying under oath. She was talking on Sunday news shows, trying to reflect
not only what was known, but what could be said about what was known. And even
if her entire presentation had been completely inaccurate (which it
wasn't), it's of absolutely no importance. Who cares? Worst
case scenario, those people who watch Sunday talk shows were slightly
ill-informed for a few days. That's all that's at stake.
Either Obama was in the Situation Room during the Benghazi attack or he was not.
As Commander In Chief, there was nothing more important at that moment than
being present and accounted for. If he was in that room, as some have inferred,
then he did nothing required of him to save the lives and to protect the soil of
America. If he was not there, as others have inferred, then his absence is even
more alarming. If the President of the United States has more important duties
to attend to when we are under attack, then that "President" has no
business holding office.Weep your tears for the so-called
"hatred" heaped on Obama. He created his own "mess". He claims
that he is innocent because he was absent from the most crucial job that a
President has. I'm sure that many understand the concept of being
"AWOL" and they also understand that it is not excusable.Obama is inexperienced. He is untrained. He is unqualified. Those who want someone who has never held a job in his entire life to lead
this Country need help. They live in never-never land.
To "Roland Kayser" really? How many embassies requested more security,
were denied, then attacked by protestors carrying RPGs? Then, after the attack
how many times did Bush lie to the American public about why an embassy was
overrun and an ambassador killed?To "atl134" lets see,
"protestors" armed with RPGs and fully automatic weapons. It
doesn't take a genius to figure out that it was a planned attack against
the embassy, and was not the result of a protest.We know that you
liberals complain about Bush going into Iraq, but look at what he did prior to
going into Iraq. He told the truth about the intelligence that he had. The
Congressional reports on Iraq confirmed his statements.With Obama
and Benghazi, the congressional findings have only shown us how much and how
deep the lies have gone.So, ask yourself this. Would you rather
have a President who tells you the truth as he understands it and makes a bad
decision, or have a President make a bad decision then lie about after things
So I always wonder what topics the dn, thhe letter writer and consperecy
theorist on these boards are trying to avoid by keeping these types of
@Eric Samuelsen "In a very confusing intelligence environment, some initial
reports proved to be inaccurate."The initial talking points
stated that the attackers were from a terrorist group affiliated with al Qaeda,
and the scapegoat video was not even mentioned. The accuracies were revised out,
and inaccuracies revised in. These revisions did not originate with the
intelligence community, but further downstream. Who told Susan Rice to blame it
on a video? The "most transparent administration ever" isn't
saying."Now that that's done, let's talk about the
economy."I see your desire to change the subject, but the
subject doesn't really change. The administration is being deceptive about
the economy also, including the latest jobs report. They'll tell you that
the number of jobs increased, but they won't tell you that the increase is
only in part-time jobs. (Full-time jobs decreased.) They'll tell you that
unemployment held steady, but they won't tell you about the millions who
abandoned their job search. They won't tell you about the dramatic increase
in U-6.But some people around here act as if they enjoy being lied
In the words of whats-her-name--"what difference does it make now".
I'm still awaiting word from BO as to what they found out happened.
Investigation complete yet? Holding my breath--help!
Mike Richards: "The difference is that a Democrat is in office."No
kidding, The republicans spent 100 million investigating Clinton, and only 30
million on 911, I can see the difference.No amount of money is too much to
try and remove a democratic president once elected.Higher standard?
Reagan's Iran Contra, Bushes higher standard, Swallow's higher
standards that's laughable, Where Mike? Cause I don't see it.
re: procuradorfiscal"And, whatever you do, don't you dare
say anything that might affect Hillary's chances of succeeding Obama and
becoming a contender for the "Worst President Ever" award."Sorry, but not even in your wildest tea party/fake news led dreams will anyone
ever take that award away from Bush. Keep hoping though.
The difference is that a Democrat is in office. Nobody expects a Democrat to be
held accountable. Look at Clinton. Look at the Kennedy brothers. Look at
Reid. Look at Pelosi.Thank goodness Republicans are held to a
higher standard. At least that proves that some elected officials are EXPECTED
to be truthful and honest.
Benghazi was a tragedy. Brave men died, because security at a mission abroad,
thought to be adequate, proved not to be. There was reason to believe that
security arrangements would fail, which is why a thorough investigation was
needed. Such an investigation took place, and specific recommendations were
made, which are right now being implemented.That's it. That's
all. That's what happened at Benghazi. There is no further scandal. No
evidence of a cover-up, or conspiracy, or scandal. None. As for who said
what on Sunday talk shows, so what? In a very confusing intelligence
environment, some initial reports proved to be inaccurate. Big deal. No
one was instructed to lie about a video. Ambassador Rice was given some talking
points, most of which were accurate, a few of which turned out not to be. Human
beings make mistakes. Now that that's done, let's talk about the
Re: ". . . 'how many times was Bolton directed to go on a talk show
tour and lie about some video?' Why does this matter? Who cares what the
causes were? Does it bring them back to life?"Yeah. Move along.
Nothing to see here.And, whatever you do, don't you dare say
anything that might affect Hillary's chances of succeeding Obama and
becoming a contender for the "Worst President Ever" award.
There's a difference between lying and being wrong...
Still with Bengahzi? Maybe this is one of the reasons that Rush Limbaugh is
encouraging his listeners to quit watching Fox News.
This horse no longer has legs.
Soooooooo why aren't we holding Mr. Chaffetz's feet to the fire?Wasn't he one of the guys celebrating the "cuts" he made to
the security at these facilities? If he cut the funding for their
security which led to them having inadequate security, shouldn't he be held
Obama didn't cover up Benghazi. Why is it that repubs don't seem
to care that US taxpayers are on the hook for $39 Billion to Dick Cheney's
Haliburton for the war in Iraq?$39 Billion of war profiteering from the VP
and there is no Faux Noise outrage. Explain that one please.
"With those 13 attacks under Bush, how many times was Bolton directed to go
on a talk show tour and lie about some video?"Why does this
matter? Who cares what the causes were? Does it bring them back to life?Imagine if the GOP spent just half the time on job creation as it has
wasted debating Bengahzi or obama's birth certificate. Our economy would
finally be fixed! I'm tired of debating these nonsensical
matters. Lets move on to our real issues.
It must be sad when even far right politicians like rand have not only abandened
but condemned their conserecy theories.
Mark1: "What is this administration hiding, and is their a routine to cover
up similar events."This administration is hiding the truth about
Benghazi in exactly the same way that NASA is hiding "the truth" about
the Apollo Moon Landings.Get the point?
Some have even gone so far as to compare Obama's Benghazi cover up with GW
Bush's Weapons of Mass Destruction lies and cover up. Having
living memory of both I can tell you they're not the same. 8,000 died and
70,000 wounded in the Middle East.
With those 13 attacks under Bush, how many times was Bolton directed to go on a
talk show tour and lie about some video?
The problem is not what happened on September 12, 2012, although it is tragic
that any Americans lost their lives, the problem lies in the apparent coverup.
Nixon was not in trouble for the break in at the Watergate, he covered up and
lied about his knowledge about the situation. What is this administration
hiding, and is their a routine to cover up similar events.
Mr. Larson's letter is a perfect example of the puerile conspiracy
fantasies that entertain the GOP base but otherwise make the rest of the nation
shake their heads in dismay about the sorry state of today's Republican
Party.Editors, why did you deem this letter worthy of space?
During the presidency of G.W. Bush there were 13 Benghhazis yet the author of
this letter said nothing.
I don't care about water gate. It was revolved decades ago.I
don't care about Bengahzi. We were attacked and a few people died.I care about the economy. What solutions or ideas does the right have to fix
them? Why are we rehashing these decades old stories and comparisons rather than
work to fix our #1 problem???