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Published: Wednesday, July 10 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

The affairs of state are those of man. Churches are just men who claim power by virtue of claimed empowerment by god; usually they just muddle the affairs of state.

The Scientist
Provo, UT

"As we discuss and debate politics and perhaps assert our own opinions as the ways things are and must be, it may be good, at least on occasion, to recognize how small we are and how powerful God is, even in the affairs of state."

Yes, but that all depends on which god you are talking about. There are many who agree with you - that Allah (distinct from the Mormon or Christian gods) is powerful, and is working through the Brotherhood, Hizbullah "whose message God wanted to be fulfilled by the Seal of the Prophets..." and "...to liberate the 1948 borders of Palestine".

Everybody claims god is on their side... except us atheists.

bw00ds
Tucson, AZ

The point is, the Lord lives, His Will will be carried forward, this is His church, and this work will go forward into those countries--as the article stated. Everything this church does is efficient, first-class, and timely, done under the supervision of inspiration.

The Scientist
Provo, UT

bw00ds,

I respectfully disagree.

There is no evidence suggesting that such has been the case in the past, and there is no reason to believe that it will be the case in the future.

Like all other human institutions and human beings, religious leaders are muddling through the best they can. And in many (most) cases, those who do not profess to believe in a god are doing a better job than those who do profess belief.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Like all other human institutions and human beings . . . muddling through the best they can."

Except for activist atheists, that is. "Muddling" is a much less descriptive term than "meddling," for their eager evangelism.

With the callow zeal of a true believer, they shrilly insist on advancing a goofy, wildly improbable, and highly suspect view of the universe, in spite of the fact that they can demonstrate, not the slightest benefit to anyone of doing so.

Though they'd certainly deny it, their brand of iconoclasm for iconoclasm's sake is merely another form of rigid, religious orthodoxy, to which they adhere for personal, rather than practical reasons.

9MM
Murray, UT

Just as in times anciently the Lord's work rolls on while the majority of the world remains blinded by a cloud of unbelief. What the Lord and his covenant followers do has always been a mystery to those that do not believe.

Thank you for a faith filled article.

Do not give up on the search for God in this life.

I would much rather die, having wasted all my time in this life searching for God. And even though I may never find Him. I would be able to rest my mind at the end knowing that I have done all that I could.

The Scientist
Provo, UT

procuradorfiscal wrote:

"Except for activist atheists, that is."

I do not know any activist atheists. Perhaps you hang out with the wrong crowd.

"With the callow zeal of a true believer, they shrilly insist on advancing a goofy, wildly improbable, and highly suspect view of the universe, in spite of the fact that they can demonstrate, not the slightest benefit to anyone of doing so."

Atheists do not have a unified, canonical view of the universe - because, unlike religious folk, atheists do not have (nor strive for) a "unity of the faith". Atheism is the absence of belief. You cannot infer anything about a person's beliefs based on what they DON'T believe -- unless, of course, you are a believer trying to create straw man arguments against your "enemies".

"their brand of iconoclasm for iconoclasm's sake is merely another form of rigid, religious orthodoxy, to which they adhere for personal, rather than practical reasons."

As already pointed out, atheism is not a unifying construct. As such, you can infer nothing about the motive (all) atheists have -- unless you are bold and overbearing about exercising "unrighteous judgment"

But as a follower of Jesus, you would never do that, right?

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