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Published: Wednesday, July 10 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

What Mr McDonald fails to understand is that simply labeling anyone who questions Obama as being extremist is being extremist themselves.
It is not Utah's or the rights fault that Obama has failed economically, has failed internationally, has failed with Obamacare, has developed a particularly horrid Orewellian penchant for spying on people, has abuse his power or clearly does not know what he is doing.

Labeling those who can clearly see that the emperor has no clothes as being "extremist" ultimately reflect more on the labeler than the labelee

Salt Lake City, UT

It must be lonely standing in the middle while everyone else goes to extremes. How do you maintain your sanity living in Utah County? But thank you for your very articulate and eloquent words of wisdom.

Hayden, ID

What Andrew does not seem to understand is that political extremism are alive and well on the left as well! Left wing extremism occupies the white house, most of the news media, and the SCOTUS today! The constitution is being violated and if anyone points that fact out, they are branded right wing extremists by the extremists on the left. Benghazi, Obamacare, the bailouts, nullifying legitimate elections, IRS abuses, fast and furious, A.P. abuses, NSA spying all violations of the constitution but defended or ignored by left wing extremists! Why? because they are extremists!

Tooele, UT

Re: "Is further hardening of the current rift . . . and more political gridlock really what we as Utahns want as our contribution to national politics?"


Gridlock is infinitely better than the headlong rush toward thoroughly discredited redistributive socialism; loony, open-borders internationalism; unproductive, unsustainable "conservation," and the liberty-sapping libertine morality that liberals seem intent on leading.

A quote variously attributed to Adams, Paine, and Jefferson says it best -- "Who governs least, governs best."

Thoreau's expansion on that "quote" is also apt to our times -- "Government is at best but an expedient; but most governments are usually, and all governments are sometimes, inexpedient."

Modern American government has trotted WAY past inexpedience, in the direction of destructive. And, those suggesting government is now, somehow, obliged to DO something -- anything -- as opposed to doing nothing, are simply engaged in disingenuous leftist politicking.

Modern America's unfortunate truth is this -- more often than not, our government operates best when it operates not at all.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I am an extremist.

I place my welfare and that of my close beings as the most important things in the world. The God of the natural world made me this way when he gave all life the commandment to survive. I believe that all other normal human beings have the same drive.

The problem for us is that some have created the man made suspicion that to improve our own welfare we must put the welfare of others down. They believe that there is not enough of the good life for everyone and so they must hoard as much as they can.

Their tools for hoarding include all the things that separate and disadvantage those who would be dominated. Extremist is simply a word to further their agenda. Only in their use is it a bad thing.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT


"How do you maintain your sanity living in Utah County?"

I am always fascinated by people who make comments like that while lecturing on moderation (imagine how it would sound if it were said in reverse - how do you maintain your sanity living in [implied hedonistic left wing] salt lake city?)

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

This letter is the perfect example of left-wing extremism run amok. Indeed, it is the blatant leftist technique of accusing opponents of being out of touch with the mainstream in order to distract the public from the real issues.
The left is relentless in attacking all who oppose it--accusing anyone who opposes it of being intolerant.

Everett, 00

@Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

- how do you maintain your sanity living in [implied hedonistic left wing] salt lake city?)
7:57 a.m. July 10, 2013


Salt Lake City, left wing?

THIS Ladies and Gentleman, is a perfect example of HOW one becomes extremist.

It's also why Left-Center RINO Ronald Reagan would NEVER be conservative today.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

".... extremism in any form, either on the right or on the left, is always the problem rather than any kind of solution."

That message won't move anyone out of his comfort zone. But it's nice to see someone try.

Mister J
Salt Lake City, UT

Balance & diversity in Utah? That's comical.

re: Mountanman.

I agree. I'll offer this metaphor.. in order for a plane to fly it needs a right wing and a left wing.

re: Counter Intelligence

The problem w/ your flipping the assertion is; SLC is hardly San Francisco. There are pockets that lean primarily to the left but is more than countered by the most of the South part of the SL valley.

Re: John Charity Spring

1st) its amuck not amok 2nd) How are the lefts tactics any worse than the rights? The right loves to whine incessantly about the need to return to some Pleasantville like utopia... which never existed.

Mapleton, UT

Those who are unduly troubled by ambiguity are generally more comfortable in a world of absolutes and clear-cut differences, making for clear and easy decisions. The reality of those more disposed to ambiguity, on the other hand, is more complex. Absolutes are more open to questions of degree and condition. Distinctions are less firm and decisions more difficult.
There is no real moral advantage in either case. The problem lies in the extremes. While at one end of the spectrum are total absolutism and despotism, at the other end are complete relativism and anarchy. And while absolutism in the extreme is constrained and frozen, relativism in the extreme is unbounded motion that is random. Only in the resolution or commingling of constraint with randomness is motion directed or, in other words, is there progress with meaning and purpose. It is in the resolution of opposition--where the two extremes are balanced--that life's proverbial straight and narrow pathway is found.

Orem, UT

Anyone who wants to see the dangers in extremism need only look at John Swallow and Mark shurleff.

Look at the long history of corruption out of our AG's office. Since our state is so extreme and so dominated by the GOP, these folks think that they can do whatever they want without ever being held accountable.

Just ask yourself, "If John Swallow was a Democrat, would he still be in office?"

I think we all know the answer to that.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Moderation in ALL things means,
Moderation in ALL things.

Mister J
Great metaphor.. "in order for a plane to fly it needs a right wing and a left wing."

Well said.

American Fork, UT

It's disheartening to know your views will never be taken seriously here, or that you can never even consider running for office because it's a waste of time. But, it's also liberating, because as a pariah people pretty much leave you alone and you can do what you want because there's no hope of fitting in anyway. So it's a pretty good place to watch crazy politics from the sidelines, and a great place to make a buck or two from people who are willing to skirt the rules.

Tooele, UT

Re: "1st) its amuck not amok . . . ."

Yeah -- that about says it all.

Callow, shallow leftists now insist on substituting their "judgment" for that of thousands of years of human culture [and grammar], resulting in a ruling regime composed mainly of smug, but inexperienced, incapable, maladapted malcontents, rather than of seasoned, experienced [and educated] leaders.

God, help us. Please!

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

If you were writing the same letters complaining about Democrats during the Bush Administration, and the early Obama Administration (when we had Democrat control of EVERYTHING and a Super-Majority of Democrats in the Congress)... then I'll listen. If not... your just another partisan whiner.

The first two years of the Obama Administration Democrats controlled all branches of the Federal Government and had a veto-proof filibuster-proof super-majority in Congress. I didn't hear you or ANY Democrats complaining about needing more Republicans for more balance. Did I?

When President Bush won re-election both Nancy Pelosi AND Harry Reid went on the news and proclaimed that their agenda for his second term would be "Nothing but Investigations and blocking everything he proposed". What's the difference? Yet you didn't complain then.

The radical-left is no better than radical-right.

You only see a problem when the OTHER party does it. But are willingly blind when your party does it.

BOTH parties are just as bad. Both use the same tactics (when in the minority). Both take turns keeping the gridlock in Washington going.

Pleasant Grove, UT

The left celebrates diversity of everything except opinion. To people like Mr. McDonald, our "diversity" will only be "balanced" when we stop criticizing President Barack Obama.

Mister J
Salt Lake City, UT

to Open Minded Mormon


Isn't it funny how "Moderation in ALL things." is no longer at the end of the 89th Section of the Doc & Cov?

Because, all could be interpreted to include politically as well??

re: Hutterite

You are right. Look at how the GOP has marginalized Ron Paul. Ironically, they think his son is all that & a bag of chips.

Resistance is futile but conformity is lame.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Open Minded Mormon,
All these calls for moderation and balance are GREAT, and I love hearing them, but where were you when Maverick, LDS Liberal, and other radical left-wingers came on here and said "I can't wait till the Republican party doesn't even exist", or "I can't wait for the day when the TeaParty people no longer exist", or "when are we going to put these TeaParty people in the attic where they belong", etc, etc, etc...

That wishing they totally didn't even exist... doesn't sound like a call for "Moderation" to me. Does it to you?

That's what happens when partisanship takes control. You can only see the faults in the other side... while you do exactly what you complain about THEM doing.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

I get a real kick out of letters that complain that the most conservative State in the Union will always be on the wrong side of the political fence until it starts electing liberals. Maybe the first thing that they should do is to ask themselves why Utah is conservative. Maybe they should ask themselves what values Utahns have. Then, when they've done that little bit of homework, they can look at the Democrat Party Platform and ask themselves why the Democrats have abandoned all conservative values.

For many Utahns, having a political party tell us that the life of an unborn baby can be destroyed without protection of any kind simply because one of the three people involved has decided that she has the right, granted by government, to destroy a life, is the "veto" item on the Democrat Party Platform.

In Utah we love our families. We love our children. They are precious to us. Destroying them because the government allows it automatically excludes anyone whose party platform supports abortion, except in extreme cases.

If those Democrats want to be elected, let them run as independents or as Republicans.

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