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Published: Sunday, July 7 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Orem Parent
Orem, UT

But they are out to get our children and promote socialism! Seriously every time I hear somebody claim this about the common core I get a good laugh. There is not one good reason to be against the common core. It is simply a set of standards we want our children to achieve. It doesn't even say how a teacher should teach it. It simply says, "upon graduation from high school a student should be able to ...."

The sad part is the opposition to it by far right groups is making the rest of us look like idiots. Think and study before you follow some talk radio show host like lost sheep.

Steve Cottrell
Centerville, UT

Chester Finn is among the most conservative of educational leaders. His endorsement of Common Core should be carefully weighed and valued by conservative Utah.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Common Core might actually IMPROVE education in Utah. That idea frightens the dickens out of conservatives.

If we educate children properly, they will be able to think clearly and just might reject the nonsense pushed by conservatives.

Can't have that, for goodness sakes.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

I don't think that either person who contributed to this has kids in Public education. If they did, they would see first hand the poor curriculum and teaching standards that are Common Core. Their math methods destroy any desire for kids to do math through poor methods for doing simple things, to pushing higher concepts before they have mastered the basics. The essay questions that the math pushes only make it more frustrating. The English standards barely teach spelling before they are required to write essays and argumentative paragraphs.

The standards only dumb down our education.

If you want to talk financial problems, the testing requires that the schools buy and maintain new computer systems. Where is that money supposed to come from?

Also, how many new tests do the kids need to take? Don't schools get enough information from the Iowa testing, the Dibbles testing, the SAT and ACT scores, the state testing, and all of the other tests that are mandated? Why do they need one more test?

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

redshirt:

I rarely agree with much you say, but in this case I find myself agreeing with you on many of your points. The problem isn't the curricula being taught to the students. It is the mind numbing testing that takes place. The constant testing takes time away from teachers. There isn't necessarily money for the technology as you have stated. As I have said before, where I now think redshirt will disagree, is that the curriculum switch is like reshuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic as it's going down. Unless some investment is made in technology, reducing class size (especially in Utah) and raising teacher salaries so good teachers will stay or be attracted to the profession, it doesn't matter what the curriculum is.

Oak
Highland, UT

This is ridiculous. Chester Finn is president of the Fordham Foundation.

Quoted in the Puget Sound Business Journal:
"'It is not unfair to say that the Gates Foundation’s agenda has become the country’s
agenda in education,' said Michael Petrilli, vice president for national programs and
policy at the Thomas B. Fordham Institute in Washington, D.C. The Fordham institute
itself has received nearly $3 million in Gates Foundation grants."

So the Gates Foundation gives $3 million to Fordham and Finn gives CC standards high marks. Petrilli admits that Gates is running America's education agenda. Nobody on the Utahns Against Common Core website is saying the standards are bringing in socialism. The AGENDA behind Common Core is the problem. It's massive data tracking, loss of privacy, loss of local control, extreme testing (as correctly noted by RedShirt above), and the standards are admittedly not the best in the country as determined by the Fordham Foundation itself who couldn't not admit that. The only professional mathematician on the validation committee and the top experienced standards writer on the ELA validation committee refused to sign off on the standards. They're weak, but that's not half the issue.

mommylawyer
Heber, UT

Chester Finn and Michael Petrilli are prime examples of why Utah should reject Common Core. They are being called in by big business and big money to push their agenda in our state, exactly the way Common Core was shoved on us. Parents in Utah are smarter than this and we see through this rhetoric. We've done our homework and we won't fall for this! Maybe, the many other states where they published virtually the exact same article will, but NOT UTAH! We value teachers, parents, and students and we will continue to fight for LOCAL CONTROL. So, Mr. Finn and Mr. Petrilli, please go back to Mr. Bill Gates who is largely funding the Fordham Institute and tell him to take his money elsewhere.

Oldika
Spanish Fork, UT

Oh the irony of a couple of actual outsiders lamenting the misinformation about Common Core coming from "outside groups." Citing the resolution passed by local Utah delegates at the GOP convention doesn't exactly strengthen that argument either. Then the parroting of marketing claims like the standards are "internationally benchmarked." Don't claim it. Prove it. Even the members of the CCSS validation committee couldn't get their hands on any info to support this claim. Saying that the standards were written by Governors is laughable. The people on the committees is well-documented. Furthermore, if they were written by Governors I'd hardly consider this a strong selling point. Go listen to the recorded meeting minutes of the "local education authorities" during the time the standards were being written and adopted and decide for yourselves how involved they were. (Hint: Lots of talk about federal $.) Finally "innovation" is not what I would call the involvement of private companies (the true advisors to the standards) who will profit richly from the new market of scale they helped to create for their products with such homogenous standards for every state... I think crony capitalism is the more appropriate term.

LoveBoxesCkTops
Kaysville, UT

Bill Gates has donated 5 BILLION dollars to the cause of promoting and funding Common Core since the year 2,000. He is also highly invested in the Global Warming myth. He is one of, if not THE biggest donor to abortion via Planned Parenthood World Wide. His recent TED talk claims that the worlds population needs to be reduced by 10-15%. His collusion with Pearson Education and McGraw Hill to be at the forefront of Common Core Education Publishing means that he will make back every single dime and more of his investment AND have the access to brainwash school children with his far left agenda.
"When the tests are aligned to the common standards, the curriculum will line up as well—and that will unleash powerful market forces in the service of better teaching. For the first time, there will be a large base of customers eager to buy products that can help every kid learn and every teacher get better." Gates 2009 And, imagine how much money and influence Gates himself will have.
Common Core has nothing to do with Conservatism. The "misinformation" here is all coming from Fordham.

Mamma C
HEBER CITY, UT

It is ridiculous to heed the Gates-funded Fordham Institute, which is paid by Gates with his vested financial interest in pushing the curricular monopoly of Common Core.

It is also ridiculous to believe any of their claims!

1. Fiscal Responsibility. Utah still hasn't done a cost analysis on Commmon Core.
2. Accountability. To whom? Certainly not to the federal government, which is constitutionally forbidden from asking states to be accountable. Certainly not to D.C. private interest groups: CCSSO, Achieve, NGA.
3. School Choice. This is a false choice. Federal dollars going to private schools means those private schools will have to do Common Core and other federal visions.
4.Competitiveness. If we wanted to soar, we would have used Massachusetts as a template. Mass. actually WAS internationally competitive before joining Common Core.
5. Innovation. Where's innovation when 99% of all curriculum and testing groups are aligned to the same standards? Where's innovation when teachers are pressured to teach to national tests or lose their jobs?
6. Traditional Education. Common Core standards are an experiment, the opposite of traditional. They minimize classic literature and slow down algorithms. There are no pilot tests to verify claims that they could improve education.

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