For those who think porn is a victimless crime, you need to get your head out of
the sand and face reality. FBI stats show that porn is used by 81% of rapists.
In another study conducted in Canada, 100% of child molesters in the study used
porn. I know all about those who say there is no causal relationship, but
again, you don't know what you're talking about. In Australia, when
porn was made more easily available in NSW. Rapes increased by 25% while they
stayed the same in states where nothing was changed.Porn is a major
cause of divorce in the church. 1 in 3 referrals to counseling are for porn
problems. 50% of men are addicted and 90% have looked at it. The average age a
porn addict first started is 12.Destroys and irrevocably changes
lives. I know. I was raped by a 16 y/o porn addict.
The problem arises when people try to define pornography. According to BYU, a
masterwork by Rodin is porn. Would that "standard" also apply to
Michelangelo's David or Botticelli's Venus? What would the DNews
propose to do? Shut down the internet? Censor books and movies? Cut off cable TV
at the state line? Put drapes on Rodin's statuary? It's easy to point
with alarm, but what do you do about it?
Sadly, pornography is one of those things that a lot of people have to
experience the negative effects of first-hand before they can actually
understand how damaging it is. It's real easy to say, "Oh, just let
people look at what they want. It's their life." They wouldn't be
saying that if they watched their spouse change in front of their very eyes over
the course of their marriage to the point where a divorce was necessary. And
what happens if they have kids? How does all that affect them? What problems
will those children face later in life because of one addiction? It's all
Amen and amen!
Haven't we bigger fish to fry than to go through a series of articles
designed to keep people riled up about porn?
A couple of things here. The broken windows theory is a strange one to pull
out, especially in light of its complete failure in the war on drugs.There
is currently enough pornography created that to try and "ban" it now
wouldn't work. You would not need to film another pornographic movie ever,
enough have been made. The writer has either had a very bad experience
with porn or refuses to see that the people who visit a porn website once a
month are NOT addicted to porn. If you drank once a month, or even 2 or 3 times
are you an alcoholic? No probably not. So what are they doing? Answer: What
comes naturally to the human body. I'll grant there are those who
are harmed by these images. There are those who are not. Its just like
I applaud the D News for shedding light on this destructive, pervasive issue.
"For the sake of innocent victims and a nation losing touch with
the value of committed relationships, marriage and families, it's time to
turn prosecution efforts toward ending adult pornography at all levels."As much as I would love to see this happen, I find it hard to be
hopeful. Gordon B. Hinckley said something to the effect "I am generally
optimistic... but in this case, I'm a realist." I share that sentiment.
This problem is going to get worse before it gets better.
An important topic to address, especially with the increasing prevalence of
pornography. There is a legal challenge for curtailing porn. It is highlighted
by the article quote, "While incidents of rape or other sexual assaults may
not be on the rise..."If a definitive link between porn and
crime, or porn and the destruction of marriage (outside of religious standards
and influences) cannot be proven, it will be difficult to legally justify
imposing more government regulation on the industry.I do not say
this to justify porn. I mention it only to explain that objective proof of
problems linked to porn will be needed to justify any government intervention.
Otherwise the burden of regulation will fall by default to the individual or
I agree with the Deseret News editorial board. I recently saw an youtube
presentation about a pornography study done at a university. A professor
wanted to compare the effect of pornography on young men's brains. The
problem is he could not find a control group of young men who weren't
viewing pornography. The presenter talked about the effects of viewing
pornography in terms of shorter attention spans and wasted time. We are going
to have a generation of young men who cannot care for themselves, who cannot
care for their future families.To the extent this is true, it seems
that pornography isn't just degrading to women it is also degrading to men.
Pornography erodes marriage, so what can you expect from an administration that
refuses to protect and defend marriage?
Right before he was to be executed for raping and murdering over 30 women, Ted
Bunde admitted where he went wrong. He lived in a great home with loving
parents, but he had a terrible addiction to pornography. He says that's
what led him to his gross crimes. He also said every man he knew in prison who
was in for a violent crime. EVERY SINGLE ONE had an addiction to pornography.
Amazing that people justify pornography like it's harmless.
I agree, it gives a skewed view on what love really is. Porn is bad. However, I believe that comprehensive Sex Education would do wonders to combat
porn. It helps to eliminate the curiosity about sex. It also helps students
understand the consequences. Too many here in our state have no clue what sex
is. The parents don't want to talk about it, the Eagle Forum doesn't
want the schools to teach about it, so students go to locker rooms, MTV, and the
Internet to learn about it.
Time for a four part series of shaky statistics, leaps of logic, and
guilt-driven moralizing. So much for consenting adults having freedom to do as
they see fit...
Your suggestion is correct. Pornography is a serious crime and even seemingly
small offenses should be aggressively prosecuted.I fail to
understand why those who perform in hard core porn movies are not prosecuted for
prostitution. They are engaging in acts for pay.I fail to understand
why those who hire them are not prosecuted for pimping. They arrange for people
to engage in these acts for profit.The biggest difference between
what a prostitute does and what a porn actress or actor does is; a prostitute
seduces on person at a time. A movie seduces every person that watches is. One
hides behind the first amendment. The other cannot.Let's get
some consistency here.
The complacency among politicians and insurance companies In recognizing
and treating this real mind changing disease isproof of the power of
profits in this deplorable business and possible denial of their own
addictions.The only way at this point that we can fight this addictionIf the classy women in this country need to say "Enough!"And
stand up against being objectified.
That's fine for you to take a stand against pornography. Unfortunately, it's your behavior that speaks much more loudly than your
words.I suggest you clean your own house first before telling the
rest of us to. And that means for the Deseret News to stop advertising films
that contain pornography. Certainly there's a price to be paid by not
having that additional revenue. But your words will fall on deaf ears as long as
you tell people to stay away from the stuff you peddle.And while
we're at this topic, don't you think it would be wise to also counsel
those involved in the distribution of pornography, such as hotel chains
(Marriott, etc.), to also recognize that no good comes from this? Again, the
price to be paid is the loss of revenue. But if, as you put it, the welfare of
our society is at stake, then responsible action should be taken by everyone,
and principle should trump profit. Right?
Certainly the same thing applies to modeling, beauty pagents, young women
wearing immodest clothing, and if you're honest about the topic, it
includes young women wearing makeup in public.And while we're
at it, let's talk about the female version of pornography, raunchy romance
novels, which paint a completely unrealistic portrait of men and what they can
do for women in a relationship. It wrongly suggests that "trophy" men
are rich, sexy, drive a Ferrari, and act like bad boys.If the
"broken windows" theory is valid, it certainly applies to these
elements, as well.
I don't think the broken windows theory broke down, I think the problem
comes when so very many people do it, you can't stop every body, and since
our society has become so very morally bankrupt, it is no surprise that this and
other addictions are out of control. I believe the very core of our society is
broken, we can't ,discipline children because we may hurt their self
esteem. Parents are abdicating their responsibility of parenting because
they want to be a friend. Schools can't take away a phone or any other
devise that is distracting because it is a child's RIGHT to have it, So
anything at all that people want to do now day's they can get away with,
And because people have called everything "Natural" we have opened
the door to justification. When is it going to be "Natural " for an
older man to have what he calls a relationship with a young 10 year old girl?
Do you call that 'Natural as well?' With the decline of morals,
anything is alright!... We are in BIG TROUBLE!!
When a person has not connected to their own divine self and felt the
all-consuming love of God, then is it any wonder why external sources are
sought? To find and connect to God/Christ is the longing of the soul to return
to this ultimate source of love. It's interesting to me that two of
Utah's big cities are in the top 10 porn users in the country.
Society has so many ills. King Benjamin said: "And finally, I cannot tell
you all the things whereby ye may commit sin; for there are divers ways and
means, even so many that I cannot number them."Who decided that
pornography was the worst? When I was young marriages were failing because
husbands drank too much. Later on they were failing because one spouse or the
other took a lover. A marriage I am close to is failing because of a spouse who
is toying with drugs. There are many which fail because of gambling or
overspending. If this is about saving marriages, then it is too narrow. If
this is about fighting only one sin among many then it is too narrow.What is needed is a general return to righteous behavior, and that cannot be
legislated or enforced - only taught.Bring on your articles - they
may do some good, but they will not end the problem.
To Midvalian Hutterite Denial. Show your wives and daughters your
responseAnd see if they agree. To DN. Please don't
let comments like we need to define it first or Don't we have bigger
fish to fry from stopping this important Issue from being addressed.
Almost every consumable product, if used to excess, can be self-destructive to
an individual and damaging to society. For example, icecream, fast food, video
games and reality TV, if consumed to excess, can be damaging to a person and
their relationships / marriage. There are plenty of people addicted to each of
those consumable products, yet most conservatives would balk at regulating the
consumption of any of those. The solution, most conservatives would say, is
education rather than regulation. Pornography is treated
differently because of moral objections rather than logical objections. Because
a group of people morally object to pornography, they feel is is acceptable to
implement legal policy based on those moral objections. The damage to
individuals and society from pornography isn't necessarily worse than the
damage from poor eating. Pornography is just, to some, more morally
objectionable. Most here won't want to see or admit it, but
pornography can provide a benefit to married couples who use pornography
responsibly and in moderation. There are plenty of couples who use pornography
together as a means of spicing up their love lives. It can be and is done. Not
everyone who partakes of pornography becomes addicted to it.
Society is too interconnected to ban porn. It probably cannot even be reduced.
Porn is available worldwide. And even if there was an attempt to shut down porn
sites, others will spring up, and could be hidden behind seemingly innocuous
sites.We couldn't even ban physical products (alcohol and
drugs) that cannot be reproduced digitally. It may be possible to reduce
people's dependency on viewing porn. Not sure how that could work, but
banning it will be as ineffectual as prohibition and the war on drugs.
Having said what I did in my previous post, I do believe it is incredibly
important to keep pornography from children. To that end, my wife and I
purchased and installed NetNanny and found it to be a very effective tool for
restricting internet access to pornography. We don't subscribe to any TV
channels that provide anything near pornographic. My kids are now
all young adults and my wife and I feel we have been successful in restricting
their access to pornography while also instilling in them a healthy
understanding and appreciation of human sexuality. We feel there is a balance
to be maintained in all aspects of a person's life and relationships,
including sexuality. Too much emphasis on sexuality is unhealthy as is too
little emphasis on sexuality.
I hope the Deseret News will be consistent in its anti-pornography campaign,
going after the powerful profiteers as well as the bit players.Will
you call for a boycott of the Marriott Corporation, which has long rented
pornographic movies in its hotels? A few years ago an industry report put
Marriott profits from in-room adult entertainment at over $200 million per
annum. The company says that it will now phase out its smut business because
its customers are using the internet to get their fixes, but that hardly excuses
Marriott's past and present practices.Perhaps the LDS church
should also announce a policy preventing men like Bill Marriott from serving as
General Authorities if they run businesses involved in the sale of
pornography--and maybe even denounce corporate directors like Mitt Romney who
are paid in part from the proceeds of such activities. There would probably be
no more effective way of demonstrating zero tolerance for smut, since getting
big business out of the porn business would make it much less profitable for
those who actually make the films.Challenging such men would be
politically difficult, but it would be morally consistent.
@MarinerMy wife completely agrees with my opinion. It would be absolutely
inappropriate to discuss that with your daughter in that fashion, when my
daughter is an adult, and she brings it up, perhaps we will talk. We keep
wide open lines of communication at my home.
merich39,I heartily agree that sexuality is an important part of our
lives and should be part of the balance. Also, that no addictive product (and
pornography is an addictive product) is addictive to all users. That does not
mean it is not problematic, just that some can escape the problems.That said, pornography is quite different from nearly all other consumable
products. Unlike most other products, the people who make ice cream, fast food,
etc. are not degraded and even put in harm’s way as they make the
product.Would you recommend that your daughter or other loved one
enter the porn industry? Most of us would not because we think that their
involvement in making porn would damage them. Most us would not think the same
of a career in fast food, ice cream, etc.So, the moral objections
are not just based on perceived damage by the product’s consumption but by
its damage to its participants.
Morality in Media (MIM) has been working tirelessly for decades fighting
pornography, mostly to inform and encourage people to contact state and fed
AG's to ENFORCE what is on the books. Look them up, read their research,
@Hutterite "Haven't we bigger fish to fry than to go through a series
of articles designed to keep people riled up about porn?" No, I don't
think there's bigger fish. This is about exploitation (and worse) of
innocent children and women; broken hearts, homes and marriages; ruination of
So repubs want more nanny government in our lives?Why not merely let
the free market decide on porn? Haven't we learned from the gun
debate that new laws and regulation doesn't do anything?Let
people decide whether they want porn or not. Not nanny government. When will
repubs get this big government vision off our backs? Get nanny government out of
my life now!
There are a lot of choices, But the old man's been down the road. How about
hearing and learning from someone who's been there done that. No one wants
lung, pancreas, liver or mental disorders. No one thinks it can happen to them.
That's the problem, no one thinks.
"....the Department of Justice hasn't filed a single adult obscenity
case since 2010. That is appalling...."______________________________Is it really? For a conservative
newspaper to sound a call to arms imploring the Federal Government to vigorously
prosecute statutory obscenity toward the goal of “ending adult pornography
at all levels” seems to clash with conservatism’s core ideas of
limited government, especially at the Federal level.
@MainlyMe --"FBI stats show that porn is used by 81% of rapists.
In another study conducted in Canada, 100% of child molesters in the study used
porn."You are probably confusing cause and effect here. It is
extremely likely that these people used porn BECAUSE they had sexually violent
tendencies -- rather than porn CAUSING those tendencies.The fact is
that the incidence of rape in this country has NOT increased over the last 30
years -- even though that is the very same time frame in which porn has become
more popular. In fact, rapes have DECREASED a bit over the years.Here's the numbers from the US Census Bureau -- Rate of rapes, per
100,000 people:1980 -- 36.81985 -- 36.81990 -- 41.11995 -- 37.12000 -- 32.02005 -- 31.82009 -- 28.7Porn does have several different bad effects on society. But raising the crime
rate isn't one of them.Incidentally, as discussed in one of the
other porn threads -- The biggest consumers of online adult entertainment are in
Utah, according to a 2009 study by a Harvard economics professor. ;-)
There was a time when smoking was considered a harmless activity... until
medical research proved that smoking kills! Recent medical findings show that
viewing pornography has the same destructive effect on the brain as the
consumption of hard drugs. This should be evidence for Legislators to deal with
pornography in the way they deal with drugs.
I'm not sure that increasing prosecutions will help reduce the
pervasiveness of pornography. As we've watched the various wars on drugs
over the decades, anyone who really wants drugs can still get them. Pornography
will likely be the same. Let's keep fighting but let's also try to
focus on the end user: help the porn viewer overcome his or her addiction and
let's help kids from starting.Remember the "your brain on
drugs" commercials. Your brain on porn is just as bad. It's time we
started letting people know how serious the consequences are and letting them
know that there are solutions.
Hello, thank you for the story. Many wish to ignore the harm pornography causes
on the human condition and society. I am a professional addiction therapist,
however before entering the field, I had to overcome my own addiction.
Neuroscience research of brain function has proven the addictive and harmful
nature of pornography, however I also have my own anecdotal information as to
the harm of pornography. I had the unique experience of dating an infamous
pornography performer, being a writer I chronicled our experiences and her
debilitation, you see pornography destroys.If you care to read start here.GL
Why do people bring up Ted Bundy in regards to porn? Yes, I know about his
final interviews, trying to project the blame for his horrid love of serial
killing onto something other than his own twisted mind, but please...that is
what psychopaths do! Did Countess Bathory, who murdered over 300 young
women, have a porn addiction? Did Jeffrey Dahmer? As for his being raised
by a loving family please...check a little deeper into how Bundy was raised.
As for porn's effects on society I have seen no evidence of it
causing men to be violent to women. However it has affected female viewers big
time. Now it is often women who initiate conversations about threesomes or
bondage as well as young women experimenting with same-sex encounters; not to
mention how most under-30s remove all body hair now. I do not like porn from a
moral point of view but there is a danger in trying to make this a "bad
males and innocent females" thing as any research on porn today demonstrates
it is growing in popularity with younger women big-time.