@ No One: "Those of you who only know Beck through his detractors'
reports may not realize that much of his radio show is presented in
satire."That Beck's show is satire seems to be lost on many
of his listeners. I know many fellow LDS members who swallow everything he says
as truth. They believe he is prophesying and some are actually preparing for
those things to come. Even some in my own extended family give Beck more heed
and deference than they do Pres. Monson!Beck has the right to free
speech. However, all rights come with responsibilities. If he is going to
present "satire", he needs to make that clear to his fans. I can
honestly say that I have never thought that Jon Stewart was presenting anything
but satire. That is clear. Not so with Beck, and I fear for those who worship
him more than Who they should be worshipping, - God and Christ.....
If BO moderates I'm sure Glen will also.
re: Linus"Glen Beck is committed"He isn't
but he should be.
@LinusBountiful, UTI think that Glen Beck's passion
places him in good standing with a God who wants us committed to our beliefs.12:57 p.m. July 9, 2013======= God does hate illegal
immigrants, Obama, Muslims, George Soros, Gays, Nancy Pelosi, or Democrats.I think Glenn Beck is
leading many of the very elect astray.ala, Korihor and Nehor --
Glenn Beck is harming missionary work in France? Sorry, I'm not buying it.
Funny how Conservative Latter-day Saints can't see how a Liberal Latter-day
Saint can reconcile his politics and his religion. And Liberal Latter-day
Saints can't see how a Conservative Latter-day Saint can reconcile his
politics with his religion. And yet the scripture indicates that God would
rather see one hot or cold, and that those who are luke-warm can expect to be
spewed out of His mouth. It might be better to be committed than to sit on the
fence.Glen Beck is committed. He doesn't sit on the fence. He
is a passionate educator. If you don't believe his words, state your case
rather than attack the man. I think that Glen Beck's passion places him in
good standing with a God who wants us committed to our beliefs.
Listening to Glenn, any comments he makes in the negative are always regarding
the absolute collapse that is happening across Europe economically ,socially and
morally - this isn't opinion it is fact and it is all tied to the embrace
of Socialism from France, Greece and other countries. I agree that a person
needs to not bash a people or a country just for the sake of not liking the
country but that isn't what Beck does. It is like trying to talk truthful
about the terrible things happening in China while at the same time realizing
that the LDS Church is trying to make in-roads there. It is a fine line you walk
but just saying nothing in not the answer.
Background: This week, Teresa Heinz Kerry was airlifted to a hospital
reportedly following a grand mal seizure. Initially she was listed in
"critical" condition and subsequently upgraded to "fair." Here's what Glenn Beck had to say about Teresa Heinz Kerry's
condition:"You expect me to believe that Mrs. Ketchup is in
critical condition? I mean, no offense, maybe she is." Beck then compared
Heinz Kerry's medical scare to Clinton's in 2012, wondering of
Clinton's treatment, "Was that just a scam?"
Is he responsible for the gold crash?
For some reason, I just read through all these comments, and it's now
3:25am. I feel dirty and I feel like I've wasted so much time. All's
I have to say is to all, both on the left and the right: Get a life and go do
something positive and active. Rather than straight pontification, if you
aren't trying to solve something, then go find something to actively solve.
Volunteer. Index. Read a book. Even watching TV with your family would be more
productive. Every time I read these forums, I get depressed about the futility
of trying to change the attitudes of people who really don't care about
changing anything, despite whatever facts or reasoning is thrown their way.
Seems like criticism of any form just cements their deeply held beliefs even
further, despite right or wrong, left, right or catty wompus.
to HaHaHaHaI don't know about? Limbaugh, Hannity, G Gordon
Liddy, & Lou Dobbs are all nutjobs. I mean do a pretty good w/ cheap
meaningless theatrics. Gotta go. I'm missing WWE Raw. p.s. Its Maher.
maddow, mahr, stewart and moore = "standup comedians"??? That's a
crock! NOBODY get's more angry and seething mad about politics, then these
4 bitter nutjobs!!
2 bits Exactly!!! Right on target concerning D.N. comment rejections.
So the question is do the censors with the on line edition of the Deseret Newes
at times desplay their own bias in denying to publish comments about stories?Tell me what recourse does an individual have if he feels his comments
were unjustly denied?It appears to me that many posters seem to have
the same question.
To "UT Brit" and how much of that 17.6% healthcare spending was deficit
spending by the US government. Again, NONE. Much of the US debt in recent years
is due to Social Welfare spending (housing, food, and unemployment)Those numbers that you present are the total healthcare spening of the entire
nation, not just the federal government.Right now Medicare and
Medicaid are spending money that they collect in taxes or money that is part of
a trust fund. They are not borrowing money for healthcare.France is
borrowing money for healthcare. How much longer can they do that?So
again, where is the US Government borrowing money to pay for healthcare? France
is, I would imagine England is too.
To "Truthseeker" please provide evidence that Glenn Beck has distorted
facts. His shows and books are researched very carefully because of people like
you who will try to tear apart anything he says.So, rather than
spouting off generalities, give us some specifics about the distortions. Much
of what he has said about Obama has been true. Glenn said that if
Obama was ever pressed to answer for his actions like Bush was that you would
see a totally different Obama, a mean and nasty one. That as true, when Obama
was pressed about Benghazi, he got quite testy and nasty. He has done this
several times when the legislation that he wanted was voted down.There are YouTube videos showing Obama's lies and distortions using
Obama's own words with no editing other than to play 2 video clips back to
back.So, if you are capable or can even find one, tell us where Beck
has distorted facts.
Redshirt - common'... I know your smart enough to see the problems of
judging "poverty" based on the size of ones home. The reports
comparison to europeans makes no sense what so ever. Number of square feet in a
dwelling has no corollary to "wealth". You take the average house in
Lehi, which is 3x or 4x at a minimum bigger then the average house in New York,
San Francisco, London, Paris, Tokyo, or Singapore.... and from that say that
people living in Lehi are wealthier than the people living in these cities... ?
Really? If I were to take their example, a 1,600 sq ft house in Prove would
indicate someone is more wealthy that someone living in a 1,200 sq foot
apartment in SoHo, or the Central Park region of New York.Add to
that, most homes in Europe are well over 100 years old.... many times many times
over that age. US housing stock is much younger, and bigger by that virtue.Home size is not a reliable indication of wealth or poverty. I know you
are smart enough to see through the holes in that Heritage Institute . Lets
measure access to education, health care?
@Redshirt1701"That is right, none."Seriously? 16
trillion in debt, 17.6% of US GDP spent on healthcare, compared to 11.6 for
France. Do the maths Redshirt. No deficit, HA!@Craig ClarkIts the image of the church. Do Glenn Becks comments uplift and build up the
kingdom in France? You know one of the missions of the church. If you are in the
public and declare yourself LDS you need to be careful what you say. He is a
famous mormon and he needs to realise the impact his words can have.@Mister JI am well aware who Groundskeeper Willie is and who Monty
Python are. I am also aware that none of them are famous mormons.@2
bitsThere are many more, feel free to look them up. I was not aware
that Rachael Maddow, Bill Maher, Michael Moore declare themselves as LDS.Those that are endowed, remember your temple covenants, does Glenn Beck
words about Europe help build the kingdom in Europe? Are we going to be uplifted
by his words? He has covenanted to help build the gospel. I cant believe I am
having to discuss this with members of the church.
re:NoOneofConsequenceUh, not buying it. Some
comments from Beck fans:"Tell us wherein the man is mistaken and
explain why, using specific facts and sound reasoning."" He
believes that our government is in serious trouble. He uses facts to back up his
statements.""Glenn Beck has been correct since 2009 when he
warned of Obama's true agenda and the former terrorists and radicals found
throughout his administration."Guess those people didn't
get the memo that Beck is merely joking. Bill Maher, SNL, Colbert,
Jon Stewart etc. are first and foremost stand-up comedians who use satire as a
comedic device. People tune into their shows purely for comedy--not to be
"educated or informed." Is that was Beck's
"schtick"--merely to provide comedic relief--and if that is what his
radio and personal appearances was about, great. (why isn't he appearing in
comedy clubs?) Actually, I have laughed when watching Beck's show, but only
because he is so ridiculously distorting facts and portraying himself as some
kind of prognosticator. No, Beck is like the emotional abusing
spouse who verbally demeans and minimizes then says, "oh, I was just
kidding, can't you take a joke?"
sat·ire[sat-ahyuhr]noun1. the use of irony, sarcasm,
ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
(Source: dictionary dot com)It's satire, ladies and
gentlemen. You know, like what you hear from Saturday Night Live and Bill Mahr.
UT Brit,2 comments about France in all the words he's spoken? He
speaks for a profession, he talks about current events many hours each day...
France is probably going to come up in a years long discussion of current events
and politics. But 2 statements mean he's always talking trash on the
French? I don't think so.And if you think Beck needs to change
to a more positive message... why are you not calling for Rachael Maddow, Bill
Maher, Michael Moore, etc, to stop saying negative things about anybody???
to Open Minded Mormon Then, why did the church remain silent during
when Professor Beck was flapping his gums about Social Justice?
re: UT Brit**"France had yet to become the “surrender
monkeys” and non-deodorant America-haters we now know they are."**NOT to defend Glenny, but... Groundskeeper Willie (Simpsons) Called the
French cheese eating surrender monkeys many many yrs agoThen, there
are Monty Python, Blackadder, & other British comedies which take mocking
the French to a whole new level
This guy is skating on very thin ice.I'm certain the LDS church
handbook says something about "prominent members", "damaging"
the "goodness" of the LDS Church as being grounds for disciplinary
action...[but the DN monitor refuses to post it.]
To "Truthseeker" so what you are saying is that it was mean and cruel of
Glenn Beck to expose the truth about George Soros? Why is it bad to point out
that Soros helped the Hungarian Police confiscate things from the Jews during
WWII? Soros has admitted that he helped them during a 1998 broadcast on 60
Minutes.With respect to Bloomberg, what is wrong with depicting him
that way? Yes it makes people uncomfortable, but Bloomberg is engaged in the
same tacticts that the NAZI party used during their rise to power. Is it wrong
to remind people of history, even if it is uncomfortable?
"Informed Voter" has been informed with incorrect information.
Glenn Beck:"Reformed rabbis are generally political in nature.
It's almost like Islam, radicalized Islam in a way, to where it is just
— radicalized Islam is less about religion than it is about politics. When
you look at the Reform Judaism, it is more about politics."(2011)Abraham H. Foxman, Anti-Defamation League Director (Holocaust survivor)
stated: Glenn Beck's description of George Soros'
actions during the Holocaust is completely inappropriate, offensive and over the
top. For a political commentator or entertainer to have the audacity to say
– inaccurately – that there's a Jewish boy sending Jews to
death camps, as part of a broader assault on Mr. Soros, that's horrific. While I, too, may disagree with many of Soros' views and
analysis on the issues, to bring in this kind of innuendo about his past is
unacceptable.(ADL 2010)Glenn Beck roused the NRA's annual
convention with his attacks on NYC Mayor Bloomberg, and aroused criticism by the
ADL for depicting the mayor giving what appears to be a a Nazi salute.The head of the Anti-Defamation League called Becks' comments "deeply
offensive on so many levels," and B'nai B'rith called for Beck to
UT Brit,"....Now look up some of his quotes about Europe in
general, do you see why his statements may damage the churches
speaks for himself. He doesn't state the Mormon view any more than Mitt
Romney did, not that there is such a thing as the Mormon view. Even a small
amount of time on these DN discussion boards shows that Mormons do not all think
To "UtahBlueDevil" go and read "How Poor Are America's Poor?
Examining the "Plague" of Poverty in America" at the Heritage
website. They collected Census data and UN data and show that the poor in the
US live equally or better than the average person is much of Europe.To "UT Brit" how much of a deficit does the US run on its healthcare
system? That is right, none. In France they recently had a $6 billion deficit.
They are now cutting back on benefits and are considering charging more for
healthcare.To "atl134" and they also have worse medical
outcomes than the US does, and they also have fewer medical staff available than
@Twin LightsBLS says 97 million in the private sector, while the USDA says
101 million receiving at least one of the 15 programs for food assistance (of
which 47 million are getting SNAP).@2bits"Can I claim to
know everything the left is about"Despite my being a Progressive
I keep having people tell me Bush was a Progressive, Bill Kristol is a
Progressive, Justice Scalia is a Progressive... (seriously I got the Scalia one
once) so I guess some people think they know everything the left is about while
@Informed Voter"Glenn Beck has been correct since 2009 "Still waiting for that hyperinflation he was talking about way back then...
how's gold doing lately?"Today it was announced in the
media that the number of people on food stamps now exceed the numbers of workers
in the private sector."Partly because companies like Walmart do
this clever little thing where they pay their workers so little that
they're still eligible for food stamps so it's like gov't is
subsidizing worker pay. Here's the kicker though... those food stamps then
oftentimes get spent by those workers at Walmart.
You gotta love when the people who express the most harsh criticism for his
message also claim they have never listened to his show. If they aren't
listeners... how do they claim to be Glenn Beck experts???That would
be like me claiming to be an expert on everything Rachael Maddow, Randi Rhodes,
Bill Maher say... because I saw a clip of them saying something stupid on Fox
News!Can I claim to know everything the left is about... because I
saw some clips from the above nit-wits selected to make them look bad? So why
does the left try do this with Beck?Just because Beck says
something... doesn't mean everybody you think is "like him" thinks
and says the same thing.I think Beck should change his message when
HE thinks he should. NOT when his non-listeners tell him to change.
Informed Voter,Unless I am misreading the data, BLS reports
(preliminary) private sector employment for the month of June at 114,051,000.
USDA reports SNAP (Food Stamp) recipients in July at 47,661,353.This
is a huge number of SNAP recipients. But I do not see how SNAP recipients
exceed the number of private workers.Please clarify.
@2 bitsA couple of choice Glenn Beck quotes regarding France:"France had yet to become the “surrender monkeys” and
non-deodorant America-haters we now know they are.""I mean,
I don’t know about you, but I`m to a point where I can’t even keep
up with all of the reasons I hate the French.”Can you see
where this becomes a problem for the church when the gospel is being taught in
France and Glenn Beck is noted as being LDS?Now look up some of his
quotes about Europe in general, do you see why his statements may damage the
LDS Liberal,I've noticed that when a comment is rejected...
there's usually a good reason.I wouldn't go directly to
your, "The DMN Is protecting Glenn Beck from my comments, waah waah".
You may want to go back and check what you are typing for terms that
may be offensive, off-topic, or inappropriate. Whenever I've been
rejected... I've eventually found a good reason.But you can
pretend they are just protecting Beck from your totally good and witty comments
(just because they don't like you and they will only allow Pro-Beck
comments). But I'd suspect there was a problem with your post. Just try
@Informed VoterSouth Jordan, UTToday it was announced in the
media that the number of people on food stamps now exceed the numbers of workers
in the private sector. Think about that.10:38 a.m. July 8, 2013======= Most of those receiving Food Stamps ARE workers in the
private sector. Think about that.
Beck’s supporters know he’s going to say things that are over the
top. If he stopped doing that, he would lose his following. They don’t
want a restrained approach from him. They want to hear him keep on saying things
that anger the left and the center.
Glenn Beck has been correct since 2009 when he warned of Obama's true
agenda and the former terrorists and radicals found throughout his
administration. Those who either have been fooled by the media or actually agree
with what they think Obama is doing are the ones who belittle Beck. Supporters
of Beck simply want a smaller government, lower taxes, respect for and adherence
to the Constitution, and the preservation of liberty, especially the civic
liberties enumerated in the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence.
Why do so many fail to recognize what is happening? Could it be they are not
interested or they want more goodies from big government? Today it was announced
in the media that the number of people on food stamps now exceed the numbers of
workers in the private sector. Tink about that.
So what you're basically saying is, "He must change because of my
IMPRESSION of what he says" (not because of what he ACTUALLY says)?Because if you ever actually listened to him you would know that he rarely
talks about France. So if you think France is a big part Glenn Beck's
Message... you are wrong. That's just your very biased IMPRESSION of his
message. I know that he talks about America's problems and
bashes American politics much more than he mentions ANYTHING about France. So
if you think he spends his whole show talking about France... you need to get in
touch with reality.FYI... A big part of his message IS America not
destroying it's future with massive debt and socialist politics (so the
example of Europe MAY come up).And what does his being LDS have to
do with anything?If you think Beck is only known as an LDS
France-basher... you need to broaden your view and try see the world more
objectively, and not only through the "France is perfect" rose colored
@Redshirt"Their national healthcare system runs massive deficits each
year"And yet they spend a lower percentage of GDP on healthcare
than we've been spending. If their system is too expensive then ours is
even worse and since you want to repeal Obamacare you want absolutely nothing
done about it (seeing as there's never been any substantial alternative
Beck is interested in one thing... Money. He is akin to Howard Stern, Bubba the
Love Sponge, Limbaugh and the rest of the "low culture" broadcasters.
Taking him seriously is the equivalent of being a Justin Bieber groupie
(Belieber). His penchant for dividing by zero is legendary.All of
his fawning fans are accomplishing nothing but making Beck a rich man.
re: Utah Blue Devil yesterday*People don't pay money to see
"moderate".*Agreed. As Eric Bischoff (look him up) has been
known to say, "Controversy creates cash" And that should give you real
insight into Beck's motivation IMO.
@RedShirt"Their national healthcare system runs massive deficits
each year"The US is the very last country in the world that can
talk about healthcare costs when compared to other countries."The poor in the US live like the middle class in France"I
have lived in the US and I have spent quite a lot of time in France, you have
absolutely no idea what you are talking about. The poor in France have a higher
quality of life in comparison to the poor in the US, never mind the French
I hope he amps up the rhetoric. It's people like Glenn Beck who
opened my mind to learn what moderate and liberals believe. In turn I started
voting democrat. My hunch is he generates more moderate/liberal voters than
conservatives.Look at how backwards his thinking is: he keeps saying the
earth is cooling.
"The poor in the US live like the middle class in France"Redshirt... sometimes you really expose you have no idea how people live
outside this country. If Gerard Depardeau is considered "rats"... then
yes... he left the country to seek citizenship in Russia. Sound familiar?
Should we say Americans are fleeing the US as well. Lets be real.Did Glenn happen to mention that the big tax hike he ranted on so much, never
happened? How many times do we see hair brained proposals from US elected
officials, that get some air time, and then ultimately fail after closer
inspection..... hint.... the answer is many.I work with the French
on a regular basis. I lived outside Paris for 4 years. I can tell you what you
are saying, and are hearing, are absolutely untrue. The poor in France live
much better than the poor in the US. And it depends on what you find important
as to how the middle class lives. If it is number of cars or TVs... yes the
middle class in the US is better off. If it is time spent with family, then the
French have it much better.
Here is the irony of what the liberals and the letter writer are complaining
about.France is in big trouble. Their national healthcare system
runs massive deficits each year, their ability to care for their people is
diminished. They are taxing the wealthy so much that the wealthy are leaving
France like rats from a sinking ship. The poor in the US live like the middle
class in France. Glenn points out the follies of their government, and that is
considered hateful? Maybe the citizens of France should look at what their
government is doing and may want to consider what happens when you destroy those
that pay the largest portion of their tax revenues.
All those people that bought gold on his wild entertainment theories are in the
same boat. Also. whoever listens and takes him seriously are enablers.
I'm a conservative who doesn't care much for Glenn Beck. Sometimes he
acts like a juvenile on his show. And, although I don't care for President
Obama, I don't think all the world's problems are created by him. He
also blames everything on "progressives." He makes no distinction
between the progressives of Teddy Roosevelt's era and the radical
progressives of today. He also praises Ayn Rand, a woman who didn't believe
in God and rubbed her affair with a younger man in her husband's face. Beck
needs less time running his mouth and more time studying history and philosophy.
Jerry Lewis had plenty of French jokes. If you talk about France in their
country, they will burn your arm with their cigarette.
Beck's popularity is proof that P.T. Barnum was right.
Its not just the French. I have had to try and explain Glenn Beck after work
colleagues read some of his interesting comments about Europe in general.
Glenn Beck and the crazy train he rides daily doesn't bother me. What does
is that any more than a handful of people listen to him. Although
that concerned has lessened considerable since the day he was fired by the
network that put "crazy" in the phrase crazy like a Fox.
I have generally stopped listing to Glenn Beck though I do still catch him here
and there. I would hate for anyone I know to judge the gospel and members
generally by Glenn Beck.He is a bright guy and here and there he has
some great points. But his general "I am right and everybody else is
wrong" attitude is a turnoff. Yeah, I know "he is just a teacher and
encourages everybody to learn for themselves" but that is not the reality.
Folks just listen to him as if he had a direct line to God.When
talking politics, I think Dallin H. Oaks said it best:"Those who
govern their thoughts and actions solely by the principles of liberalism or
conservatism or intellectualism cannot be expected to agree with all of the
teachings of the gospel of Jesus Christ. As for me, I find some wisdom in
liberalism, some wisdom in conservatism, and much truth in
intellectualism—but I find no salvation in any of them."
I'd say Glenn Beck is less critical of the French than the author of the
letter. Does he really think French people will judge a whole religion by one
person? Beck finds humor in the French, M. Lechifflart seems to paint with even
broader strokes than Glenn's jokes about French preferences for frog legs,
snails and the humor of Jerry Lewis.
By the rate of "denied" comments today -- It appears the DN
monitor is clearly an avid Glenn Beck fan.Be sure to add
"anything negative - truthful or not - toward Glenn Beck" in your DN
list of reasons a posting can be denied.
As an actual Glenn Beck listener I can't recall hearing Glenn have much to
say about France, the French government or the French people since they opted
not to send troops to Iraq. At that time they received a good drubbing from
commentators all across the political spectrum.Those of you who only
know Beck through his detractors' reports may not realize that much of his
radio show is presented in satire. Those who want to discredit the man tend to
quote his satire as if it were serious commentary. Taken out of context he can
be portrayed as evil. I believe that the opposite is true. Mr Beck and his team
soften the sharp edge of current political and social events, which without
their sometimes dark humor can be depressing to conservative listeners like
me.Beck's underlying message is that people of all religions
and political leanings have a lot in common and that we need to come together to
face the challenges of the future.If you check out the online
programs you will find a more serious presentation of views and events.
the best way to get rid of a parasite like Beck is stop feeding him. The more
attention we give him the longer he sticks around. Let him have his fee speech
but don't feed into it and his stage will slowly shrink into the oblivion
Well, it's a good thing the French never say anything bad or hateful about
America, or the French toast, French Fries, French bread, and French's
Mustard industries might all suffer.
Its not just the French Glenn Beck has angered. He has angered Jewish groups as
re:Gildas"I seem to notice the complete absence of any specific
criticism of Mr Beck."Because DN moderators aren't allowing
my comments giving specific examples of where Mr. Beck was wrong or angered
"If a conservative doesn't like what a talk show host or a book author
writes, he just changes the channel or doesn't buy the book."Really.... is that why FoxNews spends most of their criticizing the other
side.... rather than just reporting the news. Do we really need to list all the
anti-liberal opinion pieces here on the DN, or by its readers, or even you, to
prove that conservatives hardly just move on? It is the
conservative movements constant negative messaging that finally made me go from
being Republican to independent. Conservatives hardly resemble anything you
describe here.And there in lies the irony of the comment. Great
government comes from great debate. Dialog pro and against is the basis of all
good debate. To pretend that contending ideas could not, or should not be
entertained I don't think is the question here. Disagreeing with someone
isn't censoring them, not is it denying them freedom of speech. Great people can disagree in opinion and policy, and yet high levels of
respect for each other. Simple mindedness is the breading ground of extreme
thought... when one is unwilling to entertain others ideas.
Why would any American want another American to stop using his right to speak?
Glenn Beck has as much right to speak as does anyone else.If you
don't like what Glenn Beck talks about, then talk something that you do
like. He believes that our government is in serious trouble. He uses facts to
back up his statements. If you believe otherwise, then show us your facts.
Tell us why jailing a movie maker was warranted after Benghazi. Tell why
Snowden, a whistle blower, is being hunted down even as the government continues
to collect information about every email that we send and every cellphone call
that we make.Governments, world-wide, use suppression of speech to
intimidate people into silence.Every American should encourage
speech. In no other way will Obama's "transparency" every become
"transparent". Newspapers quake when anyone speaks out.
They know that "big brother" is watching. They're afraid! Security
has become more important to them than truth. It's becoming obvious that
the 4th Estate is just another branch of the White House. The once-proud media
is cowering before the government instead of exposing corruption.
Glen Beck still has some growing up to do, hopefully he will do it quickly. My
impression of him is he desires to do the right thing.
When I tried to post a comment pointing out Mountanman's hypocrisy as he
tries to accuse other of the same, it was banished by DN's censors.
I'm going to try again in hopes that the censors will exercise a degree of
fairness this time. This post is certainly no better nor worse than much of
what he has posted here.MM, how many times in this very blog have we
heard you urging that one or another "liberal" writer, TV show, movie
maker or other with whom you disagree be banished and banned?Are you
really incapable of seeing your own inconsistency or is that you do it
The letter itself may have a great point. I haven't personally heard Glenn
make anti-French comments (I listen to him fairly often but not always) even
though it is an American weakness to attack France, usually all of Europe, in a
blanket kind of way.Where is the criticism, though, for the many
American opinionists who dismiss an entire continent as "Euro-trash".
Why don't people explain their animosity and reasonings? Not
all of Europe, for example, is in the Common Market, if you dislike
supranationality,nor do all trade in Euros. Nations who do, do not enjoy the
full support of their countrymen. What happened to a generous estimation of the
best qualities of nations occasionally? So many do deal in self congratulation
built largely on a low estimation of others, and often wilful ignorance.Let me show you, if it is ever published to this forum, what I mean in
the thread regarding home schooling in Germany. Assessing Germany in terms of
its poor record in human rights historically, I have not failed to compliment
Germany on producing some great inventors, scientists and composers.
I seem to notice the complete absence of any specific criticism of Mr Beck.Tell us wherein the man is mistaken and explain why, using specific
facts and sound reasoning.Personally I am FOR freedom of speech and
against hatred of people, without exception. It isn't very convincing to
promote love of mankind while hating individuals who disagree with you, even if
vehemently.Let's discuss his teachings; quotes and context
would be helpful in such a discussion.
Mountanman,Uh, absolutely no one is demanding that Glenn Beck be
'silenced' or 'shouted down' or 'banned.' This
letter is from a French Latter-day Saint who is merely asking Beck, as a fellow
Church member, to tone down his rhetoric. Which strikes me as a perfectly
reasonable thing to ask for. Also speaking as a liberal, I'm
neither irritated or angry at Beck's successes. I'm amused by them.
He's a silly man, with nothing of value to add to the national discourse; I
watched his show for two weeks once, doing research for a paper, but
haven't bothered with him since. But one does hear of him and what
he's up to. It's worth an occasional chuckle, in the spirit of
Puck's great line 'what fools these mortals be.'
This is an excellent letter, but it's a waste of time.Glen Beck
is NOT interested in the welfare of this nation and its people. His ONLY
interest lies in the size of his bank accounts.This letter is
reasonable, but Beck is not.
Best letter I've read in quite some time.Please, my friend,
don't think that all Mormons are like Glenn Beck. In fact, I really
don't see how Beck can be considered Mormon. To me, he stands for
everything a Mormon should be against. Anger, paranoia, hate, lies,
manipulation, etc. He does everything for money. I don't see
how anyone could be a good Mormon and watch/read Glenn Beck. I turned his show
on for 5 mins and felt dirty. I would hope that many others would turn him off
as well. If our savior was in the room with us, do you think he'd approve
of Beck? If not, then why are we still watching him?
I don't listen to Glenn Beck so I don't know what he is saying. But I
can guess it probably isn't good. Thanks for the letter. In today's
world, we can talk to people all over the world. So everything we say is known.
Glenn Beck should probably ask himself that while what he says might sound good
to some people in the US, a lot of other people are overhearing him. Maybe then
he should ask himself, "What if I was talking face-to-face with this
If a conservative doesn't like what a talk show host or a book author
writes, he just changes the channel or doesn't buy the book. If a liberal
doesn't like a talk show host or a particular book they demand opposing
views be silenced, shouted down and banned. They can not resist ridiculing,
demeaning and condemning people with whom the disagree. All this from people who
constantly tell us they are the "tolerant" ones"! Free speech is not
just for liberals anymore. It's interesting to watch and listen to how
irritated and angry liberals get about Glenn Beck's successes! What blatant
People don't pay money to see "moderate". From the DN
write up on Beck's latest show " Beck's overarching mission right
now isn't necessarily political, he said. It's spiritual. He envisions
growing kindness across America, and specifically, faithful members of various
religions who respect and admire one another."It is interesting
how much his mission statement isn't in concert with his rhetoric. It is
an odd way to spread the gospel by castigating those who live on the other side
of some arbitrary man made line. Patriotism is fine.... love of and loyalty to
country are great things. But from a spiritual standpoint, I really doubt God
loves people who live on one side of a line more or less versus another, even if
they are French."faithful members of various religions who
respect and admire one another."You would think that statement
would include people off all countries.
Beck needs to keep 'bringing the crazy'. It's his schtick, and
it's funny, if nothing else. A little concerning, perhaps, how many people
seek him out that seem to attribute value beyond comedy to his routine, but I
guess that's the state of society today. I imagine a lot of French people
don't just wonder about beck but also those who follow?
Glenn Beck is no different from other demagogues in American history, Joe
McCarthy, Father Coughlin, etc., with their nonsense. He is consistently
puerile, mean-spirited, and disrespectful to say the least. But this brother
makes it clear that Beck is making a serious mess for the LDS church to which I
belong. I wish he would grow up.