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Published: Wednesday, July 3 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

What has park angered? I don't get it.

embarrassed Utahn!
Salt Lake City, UT

Oh how sad to be in the persecuted majority! I'm so thankful that Atheists are helping to keep religion where it should be...in your place of worship and out of the "town square".

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Christians are told not to believe what we believe and that it is offensive to others — but the fact is others are offending us"

Can you provide anything to back up that claim?

I highly doubt that anyone, atheist or not, cares what you believe.

Do you need statues on public property in order to believe? Or the 10 commandments posted in public places to believe? Or prayer in public school to believe?

There are hundreds of religions out there. It makes much more sense to keep them all off of public property than to allow them all.

It is not about being "politically correct".

It is about being "Constitutionally correct"

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Given that Mormons are an even smaller minority than atheists, may we expect that the letter writer will encourage "offended" Mormons to stop playing the persecution card and begin showing more acceptance whenever other religions are critical of their beliefs?

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

"Atheists count for less than 12 percent of the U.S. and just over 2 percent in the world. Those people should show tolerance and quit filing lawsuits and being so offended by something that causes them no real harm."

Way to go Patricia; but isn't that just the opposite of what you've endorsed in other letters you've written to the editors of both the DN and SLTrib?

Please take your own advice. Christians should also show tolerance and quit filing laws and lawsuits and quit being offended BY SOMETHING THAT CAUSES THEM NO REAL HARM. Same sex marriages.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander, Patricia.

Stalwart Sentinel
San Jose, CA

Seriously, DesNews? I understand that opinion forums are a place to engender debate but all you had to do was read the very first sentence of the First Amendment to deem this letter unworthy for publication. And yes, the USA does prohibit the Ten Commandments and Jesus statues in public forums - both immediately fail the first prong of the Lemon Test (statue must have a secular purpose). In fact, Stone v Graham explicitly stated that the Ten Commandments have no secular purpose. Christian zealots once dressed up the Ten Commandments with a bunch of American flag noise in Van Orden v Perry to give it "secular purpose" but that case is an outlier. Indeed, in Everson v. Board of Education the SCOTUS stated "The 1st Amendment has erected a wall between church and state. That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach." Give it time, the Jesus ski statue will come down.

As a Christian, I find neither the Ten Commandments objectionable nor a Jesus statue offensive. What I do find offensive is that some Christians believe they need to violate the COTUS and engage in idol worship on public lands.

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

I agree PC has gone to far. But the ten commandments ruling is not a part of this. This is about government NOT endorsing religion, not a PC issue. But a fundamental issue, I for one would rather see lady justice or the regular Fed/state gov architecture when I'm at the courthouse, not what the zealots want us to display.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

I'm sure this will fly right by Pati, but, you don't have to be offended by the ten commandments to be offended by a plague of the ten commandments being placed on public property. Being offended by a statue of Jesus on federal land doesn't mean you are offended by Jesus. In fact you all would be wise to have a healthy respect for a separation of church and state in all aspects. Many states have preemptively passed laws against Sharia law so apparently Christians do believe in a separation of state and church, as long as it's someone else's church.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

Once again limiting your ability to force your religion on others is not oppression.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Oh that I could have a special filter on my eyes and ears that would prevent me from seeing or hearing that which offends me, before I see it. Lacking such a filter I will just have to settle for a negotiated agreement between the others I live with to temper their advertising. America tries to do just that.

Somewhere in the way-back, religion and churches claimed the right and privilege to tell others what they should believe and also what they should do. For the most part America put limits on the “do” part of religion to allow the “belief” part to be unlimited.

When you advertise your religion you are trying to tell others what to believe and what they should do. The advertising isn’t necessary for the loyalty of members of your church, so it must be aimed at non-members. We allow the clothes, jewelry that people wear along with building form and shape and even prayers and other actions in public places. Signs, monuments, statues and displays are sometime found to be troublesome when put in the public square.

Rule: keep your religion to your self.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

I was in Boston recently. When we went around there were statues of Mary on a lot of lawns. That is part of the diversity of Boston. I noted in a park that there was a statue and people had put prayer candles around the statue. I noted to the person that was hosting me that this would not be allowed in Utah. She smiled and said, "Well, in Boston, we are more liberal."

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

The reasoning of he author seems to be that since she is a member of the majority, her religious beliefs should be given precedence.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world - will she feel the same when it is a statue of Mohammad?

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

Minding your manners is simply to be considerate and appreciative. To honor your mom and dad is to support yourself and respect their property. The code of conduct of the Myion Indians was; 1. Watch what you say. 2. don't take what anyone said to heart or personally. 3. Never assume anything. 4. Always do your best. Religion is what you go religiously.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

It looks like some Atheists have gotten on the monument bandwagon and an anonymous donor is paying for 50 monuments to Atheism to be spread across the US, starting with one recently unveiled in Florida.

Presumably, religionists will have no problem with this, and will welcome the Atheist physical expressions, along side the 10 Commandments.

Problem solved! (hopefully)

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Pati, what has a prophet of god said about this?

"When we believe or say we have been offended, we usually mean we feel insulted, mistreated, snubbed, or disrespected. And certainly clumsy, embarrassing, unprincipled, and mean-spirited things do occur in our interactions with other people that would allow us to take offense. However, it ultimately is impossible for another person to offend you or to offend me. Indeed, believing that another person offended us is fundamentally false. To be offended is a choice we make"

- David Bednar

You choose to be offended. Perhaps you should stop worrying so much about how others have offended you and worry more about yourself. Are you serving others? Are you comforting those in need of comfort? Are you loving your fellow man?

Or are you too busy being "offended" by them to do anything positive for society?

TallGuy1970
Syracuse, UT

I learned a great truth long ago that is so basic and fundamental yet so simple that most people miss it: Others cannot offend you without your permission. You are the one who decides if something offends you, not the other way around.

Two men in white shirts and ties knock on your door and ask to share about Jesus Christ with you. How do you respond? Was the act of knocking on your door offensive? Was the fact that two men want to talk to you offensive? Or is it your own attitude of "how dare they interrupt my day" or "how dare they contradict what I already believe" that creates the offense?

You drive down the highway and see a white cross on the side of the road marking the place of a tragic accident. Was the cross in and of itself offensive? Was the idea of remembering a lost loved one offensive? Or is it your own personal outrage that you were "forced" to see something that could represent religion that causes the offense.

You must make a personal choice to be offended. Likewise, you can make a choice to not be offended. It's that simple!

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Really, in a nation where many are trying to displace science with 'creation theory' in schools you feel offended?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Were a rosary if you wish.
Put a crucifix up in YOUR yard.
Hold a Bible camp at your house.
Put a BYU sticker in your car window.
Burn a menorah in your front window.
Dress up in a burqa or hijab.

How is ANY of that stopping your freedom of Religious expression?

Just keep it OUT of secular [common to all, neutral territory] Government.

uber-Christian is no different than uber-Islam, uber-Hindi, and uber-Voo-Doo.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Pushy liberals, Patricia Sorensen (slt)
Attacking belief, Patricia Sorensen (slt)
Expensive schools, Patricia Sorensen (DN)
Government programs should be to give people a temporary hand, not a lifestyle, Patricia Sorensen (DN)
There is no such thing as a free ride — someone must pay, Patricia Sorensen (DN)

The wonderful (and terrible) thing about the internet is that it never goes away.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

That RanchHand for the list of Letters.

BTW - It's easy to see and establish a clear pattern into Patricia's agenda.

Perhaps we should find out if she's a member of the Utah Eagle Forum?

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