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Published: Tuesday, July 2 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I know of a lot of heterosexuals who care very little for the responsibility of marriage. That doesn't mean we deny them the option to get married

Owen
Heber City, UT

"I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors." – T. Jefferson - carved into he wall of the Jefferson Memorial

Owen
Heber City, UT

Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.
-T. Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

I most definitely do _not_ want a government that feels obligated to uphold the myriad irrational and cruel "laws" of the Christian Bible.

I am in fact deeply grateful that so few Americans actually attempt to comply with what the Christian Bible demands of them.

What is good about the Bible is not unique to the Bible, but what is unique to the Bible is not good.

embarrassed Utahn!
Salt Lake City, UT

In my opinion, it is really, really, arrogant to assume that every U.S. citizen should adhere to your Holy Bible. This is a large diverse nation and people would do themselves a favor to realize that.

Self-righteous, egocentric attitudes are flaunted way too often in this state....hence, My Moniker.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Equal treatment. It's already a part of the Constitution. The fact that you don't believe in equal treatment indicates that you don't believe in the Constitution.

Oh, and btw, we are NOT a "Christian" nation. We are a nation of many religions, the Christian version being only one of them.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

You want judges to abide by the Constitution AND the Bible? You do realize it is it possible to do both. Both used to allow slavery. Our Constitution has changed. the parts of the Bible that allow slavery are still there. Also if judges were to rule according to the Bible, women could not get a divorce unless they had a sexually unfaithful husband. in other words women could be stuck with extremely violent husbands.

Is this what you want? Might I suggest that we have judges that rule according to the Golden Rule, common sense, the Constitution and the law, in that order.

Sal
Provo, UT

In pitting states against the federal government the Supreme Court majority has made a mess of the gay-rights issue. Their unfortunate ruling stating the states have the right to define marriage but gay couples have the right to equal protection will only bring greater divisiveness to the nation.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

Still not a theocracy but thanks.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Edward, your reasoning is fundamentally flawed. If the Supreme Court upholds the Constitution, it cannot privilege the teachings of the Bible over those of any other religion. That would be, well, unconstitutional. Ever heard of the Establishment Clause?

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Have you read some of the stuff in that there bible? Not just the happy bits, but the old testament stuff. Slavery, slaughter your enemy stuff. There's a lot in there that we need to keep our nation away from.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

There are institutions that are much more important than the "feeling" that some people have that because they can't have what they want, even though that "thing" has never been part of "marriage", that they have to tell us that the whole world is wrong and that they alone are right.

Marriage is not a "law" passed by government. It is not an edict passed down from the bench. It is an eternal principle given to us by our creator, a principle that is immutable no matter how many people refuse to live it and no matter how many abuse it.

We are responsible to our Creator, not to our peers, not to black-robed justices who think that they just walked down from Olympus. We are responsible to either accept eternal law or to reject that law. There are blessing from being obedient and there are serious consequences for rebellion against eternal laws.

Responsibility and "blessings" cannot be separated. If we want the "blessings" from a just and merciful creator, we accept his eternal laws without complaint and without modification.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

I dot to tell ya about my little bog. His hole objective in life is to be loved. He is so happy to see me home when I walk in the door, I just love him. He knows that for him to get loved he can't chew up stuff that is mine and he knows what is his stuff he doesn't use the house for his bathroom. I'm taken a lesion from this little dog And my objective is the same. Simply to be loved. I assume that's the way, in a world that has lost the way. The Way, is that important that religions use it for there God.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@mike richards
"Marriage is not a "law" passed by government?" so prop 9 and doma were what exactly? I am sorry but this argument fails right out of the gate.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

prop 8 sorry.

DanO
Mission Viejo, CA

Actually, Sal, a careful reading of Kennedy's ruling is that the states can expand marriage and the federal government must then honor it. He left open the possibility of ruling on the merits of restricting marriage if that restriction deprives a group of their constitutional rights. Reading his DOMA decision that was based on 5th Amendment protections of Equal Liberty, had the proponents of Prop 8 been granted standing, it is likely Prop 8 would have been ruled unconstitutional on the same grounds.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

“The justices and leaders of our country place their hand on the Holy Bible when sworn into office, but do not hold up the Christian values therein.”

Edward – be careful what you wish for. If you think the Constitution and the Bible are fully compatible, you might be in for a shock when justices who would put the Bible before the Constitution would exonerate a husband for stoning his non-virgin bride, or parents who kill their children for talking back.

And if you’re looking for Americans who did put the Bible before our founding documents, look no further than the pious slave owners of the antebellum South. As a southern preacher famously said prior to the civil war, “what is sanctioned in the Old Testament and affirmed in the New cannot be a sin.”

@Owen – great quote!

As Kennedy once said when hosting a White Dinner for Nobel Laureates, “I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered at the White House - with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone.”

Really???
Kearns, UT

"Responsibility and 'blessings' cannot be separated. If we want the 'blessings' from a just and merciful creator, we accept his eternal laws without complaint and without modification."

What about the thousands of gay and lesbian men and women who have prayed for countless of hours to help ease the pain and change their ways? They seek the blessings that you feel they don't deserve. The answers do not come in the way they expect. To most, the answer they finally get is "Do what you must do. Choose love." How can choosing love be wrong? One aspect of the gospel that I am sure you firmly believe is the atonement. Well, guess what, the atonement works for our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters just as much as it works for you. Let Jesus be their judge. I'm sure he'll do a much better job.

HaHaHaHa
Othello, WA

Gotta laugh at leftist government worshipers, who try to think that our morals came from the vapors of thin air, or a rock, or tree, or the light of a moonbeam. Of course I would try and conjure or fabricate the same theory if I selfishly wanted to live a careless lifestyle, thinking there were no consequences, because a tolerant God lets this kind of idiocy go on...for a time.
For decades, gays have had the same rights as everyone else, when it comes to marriage. Yes gays and even non-gays have chosen to not use traditional marriage rights, thats their choice! Now we have created special rights for gays, and redefined marriage, imposing new rules and restrictions on society. Imposing new beliefs on society, even if its contrary to your own personal convictions. We have extracted from the courts rulings that cloud and complicate other marriage arguments and issues. All this to appease a growing segment of society that "feels" like things aren't fair! This ruling doesn't exactly demonstrate hard defined right or wrong, it just creates a feel good appeasement. One vote the other way, and we would be having an entirely different conversation!

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Replace the word Bible with Quran and tell me if you'd feel the same way...

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