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Published: Sunday, June 30 2013 6:25 p.m. MDT

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VickieB
SLC, UT

The fence was to be 710 miles long, it still needs over 300 miles. The rest is finished, and forcing most people into Arizona and Texas.

We don't need 20,000 at the border, we need them doing interior enforcement.

Immigration is not broken, it's been unenforced since 1986. That's the problem, to solve it, we need enforcement.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

The border enforcement enhancements agreed to in the Senate have ABSOLUTELY no chance of ever being implemented. They were, and are, merely a ruse to get RINO Senators to vote for the bill. Sure, they MAY implement some of them. Then there will be "budget reductions". Guess what gets cut first?

Mr. Bonner is correct though in saying interior apprehensions (both employers AND illegal trespassers)would be much more cost effective.

Problem is: Mr. Obama COULD have been doing that for the last 4 yrs. Why didn't he if he's REALLY as concerned with securing the border that he claims?

BTW - the Border Patrol is telling Congress just the opposite of what he is alluding to in the article. They say illegal trespassers are flooding through at an unprecedented rate. Might that have something to do with a possible "amnesty" for any/all that manage to make it here?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Instead, the goal should be to cut off the "job magnet" that draws nearly all illegal immigrants to the United States."

Exactly true, but that would impact business, and those on the right will refuse to make that a centerpiece, regardless of how much sense it makes.

Ask yourself. WHY do people come to the US from the southern border. The answer is obvious, and so is the solution.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@JoeBlow

This actually seems to be the approach the House wants to take (greatly strengthening E Verify) which leads me to say something I find harder than Fonzi saying "wrong" (really dating myself with that comment).

The House Republicans appear to be the voice(s) of reason here.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

I do applaud the house for pushing e-verify.

I guess that I don't see it as their centerpiece. I feel their first priority is military on the border.

While I am not for amnesty for 11 million people, any form of amnesty seems to be the houses main problem.

I cannot understand how one can advocate "deporting" a guy who has been in this country for 30 years as a productive member.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

I believe that money talks louder than words. There is boat lodes of drugs and money going back and forth. sounds like some people feel entitled to it.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Foolish people could concentrate all of their efforts on repairing water damage from a broken sewer before repairing that sewer break.

Congress is foolish. They will throw billions of dollars down a rathole before fixing the cause of the problem. Fix the fence. Stop illegals from crossing the border FIRST, then fix the damage that those illegals have caused.

KDave
Moab, UT

I tire of our officials who are to incompetent to control immigration, so they propose to go after an easier target, employers. Why not include everyone who aides and abets illegals? Stores, landlords, realtors, car sales, etc. We could jail most of our citizens.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

What kind of company shuts out customers? If people want to come here and work, I say let them in. I've never seen people work harder than the folks from south of the border who work on farms, construction, landscaping, hotel services, etc. All they want is a chance and they do a great job. I say give them an entrance ticket and let 'em in.
I'm sorry, but I'm convinced that the right-wingers who oppose this measure are racists at heart, as they have always been.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@Irony Guy – “I'm sorry, but I'm convinced that the right-wingers who oppose this measure are racists at heart”

Probably true for some but I doubt that is the driver of most people’s anxiety over immigration. I think it’s much more an issue of economics and the negative impacts on everything from the domestic labor market to social service to education to housing/overcrowding, etc…

The fact is any country has only a finite capacity to absorb immigrants, especially those at the bottom end the economic spectrum, without degrading the entire system.

I have much less anxiety about expanding immigration for the educated and entrepreneurial, although even there we should have limits lest we begin depressing wages at the upper end too… something that business would be happy about, by the way.

It’s a complex issue and your diagnosis is far too simplistic…

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Mike Richards said: "Foolish people could concentrate all of their efforts on repairing water damage from a broken sewer before repairing that sewer break."

Nice analogy comparing the border to a sewage leak. Irony Guy seem to be correct.

I agree with Joe, stopping the demand is the only solution, or outlawing ladders taller than...
However I think a militarized zone here at home is attractive to the right.

Nate
Pleasant Grove, UT

@IronyGuy "I'm convinced that the right-wingers who oppose this measure are racists at heart..."

I'm sure this insulates you from having to think about other points of view.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

I have a cheaper alternative. Put up towers with snipers in it every few miles. Give the invaders a warning shot, then immobilize them with the second shot (leg shot or something like that so they don't die, but go back).

How many people would be wounded before the illegals began to re-think their method of entry into the US?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Irony Guy,

You ask... "What kind of company shuts out customers"?

Answer... A company (or Country) that is based on the "Rule-of-law".
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Our country is based on the Rule-of-law. When you BREAK the law to come here... it shows you don't get what our country is about, and what makes it such a GREAT country. When you take a job illegally... you show aren't with us on that rule-of-law thingy. When you commit identity theft to continue working and getting payed here... you prove that you are NOT a "good risk" to be allowed into our country to continue building on our "Rule-of-law" based society.

Come here LEGALLY... GREAT! Come here ILLEGALLY... NOT so great. If that makes me a "Racist" in your mind...
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IMO the first question on the Citizenship Application should be...
1. Do you understand the "Rule-of-Law"?
2. The second... Do you believe YOU should obey they law?
3. Do YOU obey our laws?

If they answer "no" to all 3.... they are NOT a good candidate for Citizenship IMO.

You don't break the law to get here then change IF caught.

jmfay
denver, co

The jobs magnet needs to be cut off with regards to independent contractor work too. GA has a law on the books which takes away the wage tax deduction if you don't use e verify for this work too.

Furtermore birthright citizenship is another huge magnet for illegals to stay. Nothing has been said on when or if that's going to be fixed. This is a good part of the reason ss / medicare / aid is going broke a lot faster then it needs to be.

This bill was tweaked to appeal to the GOP Senators but it has too much language in it that makes it up to the head of homeland security and not Congress to certify when / if things happen. This is how we got lied to in 1986 so Congress needs to take control and make sure the American people are not sold another amnesty and no enforcement bill. We need enforcement first and make sure its working before any talk of amnesty is mentioned.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

2 bits said:

IMO the first question on the Citizenship Application should be...
1. Do you understand the "Rule-of-Law"?
2. The second... Do you believe YOU should obey they law?
3. Do YOU obey our laws?

I guess your rules would only apply to "New" citizens, since I share the road with what seems to be the majority who Don't understand the "Rule-of-Law" who Don't believe THEY should obey the law. So obviously they don't obey OUR laws, can we kick them out too?

Red, Really shoot them, Wow, how Christian of you. Guess I was right about the conservatives wanting a militarized zone a little closer to home.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Happy Valley Heretic" what should we do to secure the border? Nobody wants to put up a fence, and nobody wants to enforce the border laws. The only option is to militarize the border, and the cheapest military solution is to treat the illegal immigrants as an invading force.

We already have record of terrorists trying to enter through the souther border, we should secure it by force, if necessary.

How would you feel if your child was injured by a terrorist attach perpetrated by a terrorist that came through the southern border? Would you want it left open so more terrorists could come in?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Happy Valley Heretic,
I believe our passion for the "Rule-of-Law" in the United States is the main thing that makes us Great and prevents Americans from being ruled by tribes, war-lords, gangs, and groups like the Taliban.

I believe in the Rule-of-Law. That's why we don't behead people if we don't like a court decision, or a cartoon of a church leader.

You can play the traffic game, but I think we are even best off when people obey the Rule-of-Law on the road (and I think for the most part people stop at stop lights, stop signs, etc, though they may not control their speed closely enough for your liking).

But why is Illegal Immigration about the ONLY place where Americans seem to be totally willing to just throw out the Rule-of-law???

I keep hearing people on the left saying... If Illegal Immigrants haven't broken any laws they should be able to become Citizens. Well... How did they get here ILLEGALLY if they haven't broken any laws???

Is it OK to disregard the ruleoflaw if the LEFT thinks its more convenient??? or it wins VOTES?

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

RedShirt said: "We already have record of terrorists trying to enter through the souther border, we should secure it by force, if necessary."

and the rest of the story is... illegal immigrants turned them in at the border, as they tried to blend in.

Red: "How would you feel if your child was injured by a terrorist attach perpetrated by a terrorist that came through the southern border? Would you want it left open so more terrorists could come in?"

Not worried about it, or a shark attach in Utah Lake either, about the same odds.
...and since the 911 terrorist came across the Canadian Border isn't that where the wall or militarize zone should be?

2 bits, I appreciate your answer, but America is number 1 in Incarceration rates which would tend to disagree with your "Rule of law" theory. Symbol of Freedom or #1 in prison population, we're aiming for the later.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Heretic,
I didn't say Americans obey the law. I said our society is based on the rule-of-law. That doesn't mean we all obey they law... it means we EXPECT people to obey they law. And when they don't there is punishment. That would explain our incarceration rates. As a society we respect the law... which means there is punishment when you don't respect the law.

People who cross our borders illegally, don't respect our law. People who break our law every day they are here, don't respect our law. People who commit identity theft to get a job, don't respect our law.

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