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Published: Thursday, June 27 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The CBO has calculated that Obamacare reduces the deficit. California, Oregon, and Washington have released preliminary price lists from their exchanges. Health policy experts are surprised at the costs. Surprised at how cheap they are. Cheaper, in fact, than many group policy.

It is true that in Republican states, where legislators and governors have done everything in their power to make the act fail, costs will be higher. But that's not the law's fault.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

If we can remove the concept of 'insurance' entirely from health, and make health care a service provided to all citizens, we can cut costs.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Taxes do increase under the ACA..on the beneficiaries of the law..drug companies medical device providers etc. The same people who have made astronomical profits the past 30 years without playing a significant economic role in the support of health care. Taxes will not go up on individual tax payers.

Roland correctly points out that all states who are participating in the program have shown smaller than usual increases in health care premiums for 2014. The claim that premiums will sky rocket is simply not true.

Badgerbadger
Murray, UT

Democrats don't seem to know that there is no money tree.

They think the money trees grow in the back yards of certain people and that is why they are wealthy.

For as long as they are in control, there will be no restraint on spending. They are in total denial of the problems they are creating.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "If we can . . . make health care a service provided to all citizens, we can cut costs."

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. Grow government. No, EXPLODE government. Vastly extend its power and reach. Extend its beneficence to ever increasing numbers of people.

To reduce costs?

That's liberal logic for you.

The only way to reduce costs under such a regime would be to adopt the Mexican model. In Mexico, everyone has an absolute, government-given right to health care. It's just that there's no health care to be given. Unless you know someone, are related to someone, or have a lot of money.

There's the ACA model for America's future, in a nutshell.

Hmmmmm. Come to think of it, that sounds a lot like Russia's -- or China's, or East Germany's, or Cuba's, or Venezuela's, or Bolivia's, or North Korea's, etc. -- past.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

Cost should come down if the ACA is implemented cooperatively (get on board, Utah), because it will provide appropriate care at normal costs to those who under the current system are uninsured and are therefore receiving emergency care at exorbitant costs, which are passed along to those of us who pay insurance premiums.

I find it hypocritical that the sky-is-falling conservatives who hate Obama and foam at the mouth over his version of Romneycare have yet to offer any serious ideas for dealing with the 50 million uninsured in America and the inadequate, late, and exorbitantly expensive care they are currently receiving. Their "turn health care over to the free market" mantra is the same as saying "Let them die."

The first thing we ought to do with health care is divorce insurance from employment. That is a stupid corporate ploy from the post-World War II years that we have been saddled with for far too long. It's idiotic. If we're going to spread costs around for large groups of employees (call it corporate socialism, if you want), why not play the same game on a larger scale and include all Americans?

one old man
Ogden, UT

Here's a message to those who are fighting against the wisdom of ACA. You just don't -- or perhaps WON'T understand. Refusing to try to learn the truth about any subject is a form of willful ignorance.

Willful ignorance is one of the worst tragedies in the human experience.

If you will make an effort to learn some simple facts, that "liberal logic" will become clear and you just might end up slapping your forehead and exclaiming, "How could I have been so blind to miss seeing that?"

Turn your radio off and do some real research.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

The court has told us the Obamacare is a tax. We all know that Social Security is a tax. We all know that Congress mixed the Social Security taxes that we've all paid with the general fund. We all know that there is no money to redeem those I.O.U.s. We all know that Obama will NOT honor his obligation to pay Social Security to those who were forced to pay the tax.

Why would anyone think that Obamacare will not be used to fund anything and everything EXCEPT health care?

Those who believe the CBO are foolish. They should study history and compare the predictions of the CBO against the facts, then they would see for themselves that nothing the CBO predicts ever happens.

Obamacare is the biggest tax increase ever passed in the history of America. It has nothing to do with healthcare. It is just another Ponzi scheme that will fleece Americans. Anyone who tried to do the same thing in the private sector would be spending the rest of his life in prison.

VST
Bountiful, UT

@Roland

You say, “The CBO has calculated that Obamacare reduces the deficit.”

You are using old worn-out “political talking points” data from the CBO. Here is an update for you from that same CBO: “Obamacare will cost $1.76 trillion over the next 10 years.” [Current May 2013 estimates from the Congressional Budget Office].

$1.76 trillion in new expenditures will not reduce the deficit.

BRM
Pleasant Grove, Utah

Some people believe the CBO. Others believe Obama. We will find out who is right. The fact is that the ones who will benefit (those with preexisting conditions i.e. they are already sick) and those who will be subsidized will think that it is great. Young, healthy men will not sign up. I know. I used to sell health insurance. So the sick will sign up and the healthy will try to find a way out and the whole system will crash. You must have more healthy people paying in than those who are using the services or it will just not work.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "Roland Kayser" that guess has been thrown out. That defict reduction was when the cost for the ACA was at $850 billion, and a deficit reduction of $200 billion. The latest CBO estimates put it at $1.7 Trillion, that means either you pay more in taxes or we go into debt by another trillion thanks to Obamacare.

To "pragmatistferlife" you realize that the drug companies and medical device companies will still make their profits, but now your care will cost more as the manufacturers pass those taxes along to you.

To "Kent C. DeForrest" but the ACA isn't being implemented perfectly, and people are not doing as the government had planned. So, now what?

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

RedS:

Who said anything about perfectly? You call what we now have perfection? Then give us a workable alternative. Romney did, but his party deserted him because it hates Obama so much. Come on, lay your grand conservative health-care plan out on the table. I'm waiting.

Hemlock
Salt Lake City, UT

Utah, with its several insurance plans and HMOs, provides excellent care at a low cost. Insurance companies are not the problem, but they make a convenient straw man to vilify. Universal and affordable health care is far from us without basic reforms. Why is an MRI $1500 in the US and $150 in many other countries with no perceptible loss of quality? Why is a certain operation three times more expensive on the East Coast or Texas than it is in Utah, again with no loss of quality? These are bipartisan issues that are not solved by simplistic name calling.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Passing up the "Obama Money" could be unwise. But I never received my "Obama Phone". What if it's the same with this program? What if the money never comes or is cut off in the future (due to another wave of sequestration or other unforeseen change)?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

ACA has been phased in over the past 3 years.... Has ANYBODY seen their insurance premiums go DOWN? Or the cost of Medical Care go DOWN? I haven't!

Wonder
Provo, UT

@2 bits -- Is there ANYBODY who didn't have their premiums go up dramatically BEFORE Obamacare began to be phased in? You have a short memory. Rising premiums have absolutely nothing to do with Obamacare and everything to do with the high cost of medical care. In FACT, news reports I've read have said the cost curve is beginning to go down. Of course that doesn't fit with the tea party preconceived mindset, so it will be disregarded by all who have their minds made up.

one old man
Ogden, UT

2 bits, you just proved what many of us have long suspected. Making comments based on faulty information -- perhaps deliberately faulty (lies?) -- without first checking to see if they are accurate or truthful is kinda foolish, isn't it?

Obama phones? No such thing.

Here is what FactCheck has to say about it: "Q: Has the Obama administration started a program to use "taxpayer money" to give free cell phones to welfare recipients?

A: No. Low-income households have been eligible for discounted telephone service for more than a decade. But the program is funded by telecom companies, not by taxes, and the president has nothing to do with it. "

People who post without checking facts are not only being foolish, they are, in my opinion, being very unpatriotic as they deliberately or carelessly try to drive this country even farther apart.

That is simply shameful.

timpClimber
Provo, UT

If such government controlled health care is so wonderful why do so many Europeans if they can afford it opt out and buy care from the few private doctors still in practice? Or why are so many of our congressmen and federal employees retiring now so they can keep their health care perks aqnd not join the ACA? And finally why are so many unions seeking exemptions from this wonderful program? All these signs are like rats escaping from a sinking ship.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

timpC:

My friends in Germany would never trade their health-care system for ours. It provides excellent care (too much in some cases) and costs half what ours does.

HaHaHaHa
Othello, WA

Blaine? Come on, you really don't know where the money is going to come from to cover all these liberal, feel-good, arbitrary handout programs, like obamacare? Just like electricity for electric cars, and just like we are going to create a strong economy and acceptable unemployment, by increasing taxes and regulation - It's all going to happen by magic! Why are you asking or raising such ridicules issues? Sarcasm off!

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