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  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 3, 2013 11:50 p.m.

    Uteanymous

    Lifetime records versus AP/Coaches Top 25 teams

    BYU - AP 15 of 70 (21%); Coaches 16 of 82 (20%)
    Utah - AP 14 of 86 (16%), Coaches 15 of 91 (16%)

    BYU was 1 of 5 last season (20%)
    Utah was 0 of 2 last season (0%)

    ______

    You make a great point! BYU was 1-5 last season. And that is something to brag about?

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    June 29, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    I'm relatively new to the area.

    If Utah fans are still this obsessed with BYU after they claimed to have moved on to bigger and better things, they must have been a real hand-full in the old days when they actually considered BYU to be a rival.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 29, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    no conference championships for U

    "The only thing we have been capable of doing ourselves is schedule New Mexico St, Idaho St & Idaho games."

    It's funny how the haters have to make stuff up to fit their delusional narratives. BYU has a partnership with ESPN; ESPN doesn't dictate anything to BYU except when choosing which four (minimum) BYU home games the World Wide Leader is going to televise.

    Since announcing its Independence, BYU has scheduled games with Notre Dame, USC, Texas, Wisconsin, Nebraska, West Virginia, Virginia, and Georgia Tech.

    BYU beat #16/#17 Utah State in 2012. Remind us how many ranked teams Utah has beaten since 2008; that will also serve as a reminder of how many times BYU and Utah have been ranked in the last four years.

    btw,

    Lifetime records versus AP/Coaches Top 25 teams

    BYU - AP 15 of 70 (21%); Coaches 16 of 82 (20%)
    Utah - AP 14 of 86 (16%), Coaches 15 of 91 (16%)

    BYU was 1 of 5 last season (20%)
    Utah was 0 of 2 last season (0%)

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    June 29, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    Snack PAC
    Olympus Cove, Utah
    upinthenight

    "Thanks for admitting BYU can't do anything by itself, needs ESPN to hold its hand!"

    Only a delusion Ute would surmise any such "admission".

    For a team that can't do anything by itself, see mirror.

    BYU negotiated it's 8-year exclusive contract and partnership with ESPN all by itself.

    While Utah is shuffled off to the PAC net for most of its games, BYU fans get to watch the majority of BYU's games televised on the ESPN family of networks.

    While Utah settles for whatever schedule the PAC dictates, BYU has already played two made-for-television games in the Dallas Cowboys' state-of-the-art stadium against Oklahoma and TCU, with more such games already scheduled.

    >>>

    When we signed the contract, we sold our souls to ESPN. They dictate to us. The only thing we have been capable of doing ourselves is schedule New Mexico St, Idaho St & Idaho games.

    Yes it's great to see BYU on ESPN. Is anyone tired of losing to ranked teams besides me on national TV for anyone that might be watching?

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    June 29, 2013 12:13 a.m.

    Clark W. Griswold

    As far as conference championships are concerned, the Utes became virtually invisible as soon as they joined their first real conference - only 6 championships in the last 6 decades.

    Playing only 6 seasons in the MWC, Bronco won as many conference championships (2) as the Utes won during their entire 37 years in the WAC.

    Realistically, BYU, as an Independent, has as much chance of winning conference championship as the PAC 12 Utes.

    Football did indeed begin before 1972, but as far as national rankings go, football history for the Utes didn't begin until 1994, the year the Utes finally cracked the final AP poll for the very first time.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 28, 2013 9:28 p.m.

    upinthenight

    "Thanks for admitting BYU can't do anything by itself, needs ESPN to hold its hand!"

    Only a delusion Ute would surmise any such "admission".

    For a team that can't do anything by itself, see mirror.

    BYU negotiated it's 8-year exclusive contract and partnership with ESPN all by itself.

    While Utah is shuffled off to the PAC net for most of its games, BYU fans get to watch the majority of BYU's games televised on the ESPN family of networks.

    While Utah settles for whatever schedule the PAC dictates, BYU has already played two made-for-television games in the Dallas Cowboys' state-of-the-art stadium against Oklahoma and TCU, with more such games already scheduled.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2013 9:12 p.m.

    @ Ufan

    "Michigan is the first and ONLY elite OOC team ever to agree to visit Salt Lake City, and with that dinky stadium U have on the hill, it's likely the Wolverines will be the last."

    Utah has already had Oregon, UCLA, and Texas A&M. There will be more great teams visiting RES; both in and out of conf. play.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 28, 2013 8:39 p.m.

    WACpadder:
    "Really? LOL!!! That winning record you speak of is built of green jello, funeral potatoes, and WAC teams. It lacks wins against ranked teams.
    Utah offers BYU another chance to blame the refs!"

    Ok, first of all that was pretty funny I even liked it because it made me chuckle. However, humor aside, Utah hasn't been beating ranked teams either and no conference team with a winning record. So still no good reason to schedule the utes, let alone any delusions of a 2-1. And I don't think BYU fans own the market on "blaming the refs"...I've seen plenty of ute fans make that excuse...still a funny post lol.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    June 28, 2013 8:17 p.m.

    Anyone notice that we are all talking about a game that will not take place for 10 years. Seriously, 10 years. that means the future QB for BYU is probably around 12 right now.

    Utah complainers - can you not just say good for you and be done with it. You are whining about our 2-1 years from now. Why don't you wonder over to the Colorado papers and complain about your new rivals the Buffs. After all you claim you don't care about BYU anymore - so be gone or be men and just say good for you and we will see you in September.

    I for one continually congratulate the Utes for being in the Pac 12. Why is is so hard for you to say to us - good for you and good luck?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    June 28, 2013 7:35 p.m.

    Ufan said:

    "LOL!

    ESPN brings proposed games to BYU and BYU is free to accept or reject any game proposed.

    The only thing ESPN is free to decide independent of BYU's input, is which four BYU home games ESPN wants to televise, and which network on which to televise them.

    BYU's 4-2 deals with Notre Dame dwarfs that one-and-done deal the Utes managed with the Fighting Irish.

    Michigan is the first and ONLY elite OOC team ever to agree to visit Salt Lake City, and with that dinky stadium U have on the hill, it's likely the Wolverines will be the last.

    BYU, on the other hand, has had teams like Miami, Florida State, Penn State, USC, and Texas visiting Provo for decades."

    LOL! Thanks for admitting BYU can't do anything by itself, needs ESPN to hold its hand!
    Dinky stadium? Won't stop USC, Oregon, and the rest of the PAC 12 from playing there. Michigan won't be the last powerhouse OOC to play there either.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2013 5:05 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    "ESPN has the Cougars on a leash."

    LOL!

    ESPN brings proposed games to BYU and BYU is free to accept or reject any game proposed.

    The only thing ESPN is free to decide independent of BYU's input, is which four BYU home games ESPN wants to televise, and which network on which to televise them.

    BYU's 4-2 deals with Notre Dame dwarfs that one-and-done deal the Utes managed with the Fighting Irish.

    Michigan is the first and ONLY elite OOC team ever to agree to visit Salt Lake City, and with that dinky stadium U have on the hill, it's likely the Wolverines will be the last.

    BYU, on the other hand, has had teams like Miami, Florida State, Penn State, USC, and Texas visiting Provo for decades.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 28, 2013 5:03 p.m.

    RE: Clark W. Griswold

    "As far as conference championships go. Apparently you need to do a little research!

    Utah 24
    BYU 23

    Football was played before 1972!"

    This is how you want to define the Utah football legacy? 19 conference championships prior to 1965. And of the six you've had since 1965 two of those were shared with other teams. Legacy comes from consistency, and Utah has been consistently mediocre to bad with a few exceptional seasons. By the way, BYU won all of their 23 conference championships post-1965.

    "Nationally recognized football dynasty? Are you serious? BYU does not have a football dynasty! They had one fluke of a season in 84' which most every school nationwide was in an uproar about."

    I'd love to hear more about this uproar you talk about. The truth is BYU was a CONSENSUS national champion in 1984 (something only 2/3 of the national champs since that time can claim) because of their legacy. Being ranked #20/16 (1977), #13/12 (1979, #12/11 (1980), #13/11 (1981), #7/7 (1983), #1/1 (1984), #16/17 (1985) is not a fluke, it's a dynasty.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 28, 2013 3:39 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs
    West Point , UT
    Uteology:
    That's it? U offer us a game against a weak BCS opponent that had a losing record and finished in the BCS rankings in a similar position to many of those MWC/CUSA/AAC teams? We may as well schedule more ACC teams like Virginia or GT whre we can recruit to new areas in the country. Sorry, SOS doesn't include your PAC12 logo, it only rates how teams actually perform. You'll have to do better than that. At least BYU gives U a team with a winning record on your schedule, which is more than U offer us...who needs who?

    _______

    Really? LOL!!! That winning record you speak of is built of green jello, funeral potatoes, and WAC teams. It lacks wins against ranked teams.
    Utah offers BYU another chance to blame the refs!

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    June 28, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    Clark W. Griswold

    I forgot:

    Number of final rankings in the national polls:

    BTW: "you said As far as conference championships go. Apparently you need to do a little research!

    Utah 24
    BYU 23

    Football was played before 1972!"

    Then you said, "Then what do you call NC's, National Awards, Hall of Famers (all of which happened decades ago)?"

    You want it both ways don't you. You had to go back 100 years or so to dig up conference championships, but then you minimize BYU's accomplishments of the past! Sounds hypocritical to me, but have it your way; we will use past accomplishments.
    Please fill in the blanks and let's see how the two stack up

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    June 28, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    Clark W. Griswold @ 9:52 am

    "Although BYU does have a WAC dynasty in the 70's and 80's but not a national football dynasty."

    Athlon Sports disagrees with you Clarkie old boy. Athlon Sports May 13, 2013 "College Football's Top 25 Greatest Dynasties of the AP Era."

    Read it and weep.

    Thank you for providing conference championships over the last hundred years.

    Fill in the rest please:

    National Championship:

    National award winners (like the Heisman, Outland, etc)
    Hall-of-famers (college and if you wish NFL):
    Size of fanbase (please include reference):

    Waiting for you to fill in the blanks

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 28, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    Uteology:
    That's it? U offer us a game against a weak BCS opponent that had a losing record and finished in the BCS rankings in a similar position to many of those MWC/CUSA/AAC teams? We may as well schedule more ACC teams like Virginia or GT whre we can recruit to new areas in the country. Sorry, SOS doesn't include your PAC12 logo, it only rates how teams actually perform. You'll have to do better than that. At least BYU gives U a team with a winning record on your schedule, which is more than U offer us...who needs who?

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    June 28, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    @ MacNasty

    "Apparently you misread my post. I asked for conference championships, national awards, hall of famers, NC, nationally recognized football dynasty. You provided nothing except the same old worn out rhetoric"

    Nationally recognized football dynasty? Are you serious? BYU does not have a football dynasty! They had one fluke of a season in 84' which most every school nationwide was in an uproar about. Although BYU does have a WAC dynasty in the 70's and 80's but not a national football dynasty.

    As far as conference championships go. Apparently you need to do a little research!

    Utah 24
    BYU 23

    Football was played before 1972!

    If you call 3 of 4, 8 of 11, 56-34-4 head to head as same old worn out rhetoric. Then what do you call NC's, National Awards, Hall of Famers (all of which happened decades ago)? That's old worn out rhetoric that Cougie fans love to use since they can't beat their big brother anymore.

    "Remember what comes around goes around. The end of that unfortunate cycle comes this year"

    You Cougie fans say that every year. All talk and no walk!

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    June 27, 2013 11:40 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    Apparently you misread my post. I asked for conference championships, national awards, hall of famers, NC, nationally recognized football dynasty. You provided nothing except the same old worn out rhetoric.

    You provided not a single answer to the questions. So you did not let me have it AT ALL

    If all you got is that you beat BYU 3 of 4 times than so be it that's all you have little brother. Remember what comes around goes around. The end of that unfortunate cycle comes this year.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 27, 2013 11:01 p.m.

    midpacmajor
    Salt Lake City, Utah
    navelvet

    The simple truth is USC is the big dog in the conference and the PAC will bend over backwards to keep the Trojans happy. The PACy WACers, on the other hand, do exactly what the PAC tells them to do.

    ______

    ESPN has the Cougars on a leash. I doubt BYU is telling them what to do.
    In addition, BYU has to bend over backwards to get contracts on a 4-2, 2-1 deal!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 27, 2013 10:44 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs

    Please give me one example of how playing Utah helps BYU.

    -------------

    Simple, it gives you a guaranteed annual PAC-12 game. Do you already have a guaranteed annual BCS game with anyone else? Does Boise State?

    Considering that as of today BYU is back to it's old tricks of playing cream-puffs:

    2014: 9 MWC/CUSA/AAC games and 2 BCS games
    2015: 6 MWC/CUSA/ACC games and 2 BCS games

    Sure it's a step up from playing teams like New Mexico and Wyoming and you get to see all the cool different places each year. But it's still not a "real" schedule.

    So we will help you with the scheduling, just like how you treat Utah State, but on our terms. That's why well play you after we're done playing Michigan in 2016.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 27, 2013 8:53 p.m.

    Naval:
    "playing the Y doesn't help our program. It helps YOURS".

    Please give me one example of how playing Utah helps BYU. U certainly don't help our SOS, seeing as how your BCS rankings were closer to Middle Tenn St than ND, Wisconsin, Texas, etc. It doesn't help in terms of recruiting, that is usually a decision of personal preference and playing all over the country vs playing in the PAC12 (wouldn't make a difference whether the "formal" rivalry game was played or not). Please tell us how playing "mighty" Utah *snicker* helps BYU in any way. The only real benefit in this rivalry is for the fans that want it to continue. Here's one fan who would love to see it continue because it's fun to talk smack back and forth, but in terms of actual football, exposure, and national relevance, playing Utah does absolutely NOTHING for BYU.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 27, 2013 7:54 p.m.

    MacNasty

    "You call BYU little brothers. You can take it from there, but no meaningless number minutia, comparisons or spin, just the facts."

    OK, you asked for it--

    3 straight, 4 of 5, 8 of 11 and an utterly insurmountable overall record, 56-34-4!

    Face it, Mighty Big Brother UTAH straight owns little brother 2-Star byu, it's not even remotely debatable!

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    June 27, 2013 7:30 p.m.

    Hey Naval Vet,

    You call BYU little brothers. Back with national awards, national championship, college hall of fameers, conference championships, final poll rankings.

    BYU is not the little brother of PAC-thetic Ute team that has no national championships, only 2 conference championships in the WAC (which you defame) of which the PAC-thetics was a member for 37 years, little and no national awards (if any, name them), a fanbase more than twice a small as that of BYU's, and finally no nationally recognized football dynasty.

    I'll start you off, The Utes have been ranked 5 times in the final polls, BYU 17.

    You can take it from there, but no meaningless number minutia, comparisons or spin, just the facts.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 27, 2013 4:38 p.m.

    navelvet

    The simple truth is USC is the big dog in the conference and the PAC will bend over backwards to keep the Trojans happy. The PACy WACers, on the other hand, do exactly what the PAC tells them to do.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    June 27, 2013 2:36 p.m.

    Ducky,

    USC still has to abide by the PAC 12 rules, but one of those rules is that they do not have to schedule non conference games in Sept like the Utes do. So I guess you are wrong about that, as well as many other things in your incessant ranting in these threads.

    You complain about 2 for 1 games, and now that it is against USC, it is like the 2nd coming of Y football, and that this is the best thing ever for the Y program.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 27, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    Naval Vet:
    LOL, whatever makes you feel better about your PACy WACers, and keeps your dreams alive. Who am I to stand in your way.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 27, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs:

    Quoting Holmoe -- the "spurned" Athletic Director in the "continuation" of the series -- doesn't change the fact that...

    ...you were dumped.

    You wanted the game; we didn't. You were dumped. For Fresno St. For a 2-for-1, we would have dropped Fresno St, but without one, we'll just grab ourselves another game in the recruiting rich state of California. We're already winning the majority of the battles for the coveted instate kids, so playing the Y doesn't help our program. It helps YOURS, but helping little brother really isn't our among our primary concerns.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 27, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    Tom Holmoe during media day: "Both myself and Chris Hill want to get this done. We realize the fans are going to fight in the streets about who did what, but that's not our concern. He and I have talked about some of the scheduling difficulties Utah is experiencing with their PAC12 membership, and we certainly understand that. In the end we will be able to work it out so there need be no concern on the fans' part in relation to the rivalry".

    Thank goodness Holmoe and Hill are more level-headed than their respective fanbases. Holmoe also said: "What many fans don't realize is that behind the scenes we have a very good relationship with Utah and Chris Hill, and both athletic departments want to be supportive in our respective programs' goals and values".

    In essence, while the rest of us want to argue, BYU understands Utah's unique position presently and is willing to be patient with them while they work it out. Utah didn't "dump" BYU and disrespect them in any way, or vice versa. Hill already stated playing both Michigan AND BYU was too much in OOC and I respect that assessment.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 27, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    Duckhunter:

    "Your attempt to distort the reason why the BYU/utah series is taking a 2 year break are pretty hilarious."

    On the contrary, it's YOU'RE attempt to distort the reason that's hilarious. If the the series continued into 2014, then that game would have been a Home game for Utah. Prior to scheduling Fresno St, Utah's Home schedule included Mich, Ariz, USC, Ore, and Wash. St. So it isn't as if we didn't have room for our little brother until AFTER we scheduled the Bulldogs.

    Meanwhile, the Indy-WACers have 7 home games scheduled for 2014, so it isn't as if there wasn't room on YOUR schedule for an Away game with us! Furthermore, your game AT UConn wasn't even scheduled until AFTER we ditched you in favor of FSU.

    The decision to discontinue the series was UTAH's! It wasn't a "mutual" decision. Your side desperately wanted to play the game. It just means a lot more to you than it does for us.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 27, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    @naval lint

    Your attempt to distort the reason why the BYU/utah series is taking a 2 year break are pretty hilarious. The truth is that because of how utah's pac12 conference schedule works next two years, where they have a 5 game conference home schedule one year and a four game conference home schedule the other year, it was going to make it so that BYU would have 2 home games against utah in a row, or else BYU was going to have to allow utah to have 2 home games against them in a row, and neither school was willing to do that. Add that to some other factors and it simply wasn't going to work.

    I think BYU has been a bit disengenous in their explanations of this when they claim it was simply utah didn't want to play the game, that is not true, it is that neither wanted to give the other 2 years in a row at home so they could not work out a deal for those two years.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 27, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    @papa smurf

    "The game is also in November back at USC because they will possibly lose the Notre Dame game that they have in that slot. Has nothing to do with the Pac 12 rule of non conference games played in Sept."

    Except that USC and Notre Dame also announced yesterday that they have agreed to extend their series through 2023 as well which coincides with the USC/BYU and Notre Dame/BYU series so I guess you're wrong about that. It is pretty obvious that not all pac12 teams are required to abide by the same rules and utah is one of the ones that is told what they can, and cannot, do, while USC does whatever it wants regardless of what Scott thinks he can mandate.

    Just the way it is.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 27, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    Naval Vet:
    I stand corrected, it was 25-15, I was looking at 1972 til now.
    13 of the last 16 games have been decided by less than a TD between these programs. I know ute fans want to pretend they've dominated, but it's just not the case. BYU has beaten U plenty, live with it and accept it. Stop trying to pretend that this isn't a competitive rivalry when it is (3-4 in last 7). As for jumping on bandwagons, again I love how you think you know what Im thinking. The reason I was explaining to uteology the dominance that USC will have over Utah is to help him and other ute trolls recognize that USC is an elite program, unlike the PACy WACers, so that's why they get 2-1s where Utah never will. Utah has to earn that kind of respect and to this point they haven't...they're no better than Wazzu or GT who have home and homes with BYU. It had nothing to do with "bandwagoning" as you would like to suggest. And yes, lets not pretend that both sides don't spin for their argument, like you're innocent of that...typical ute hypocrisy.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    June 27, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    "Naval Vet

    Philadelphia, PA

    SportsFan:

    "If the Utes weren't such PACy-WACers, they'd petition the PAC 12 to allow them to play the BYU-Utah game to November..."

    Why would we petition the Pac-12 to allow us to play the Indy-WACers in November when this game really isn't all that important to us? Now granted, it's EXTREMELY important to YOU, but Utah is just not in the business of petitioning the Pac-12 on YOUR behalf."

    I guess there was some confusion because some of you petition BYU fans so much...

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 27, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    bribri86:

    "It's like Kentucky boasting that they get Florida 1 for 1 every year."

    Sure, as conference members, Utah has built-in Home-&-Home games every year, but Utah is ALSO getting a 1-for-1 with Michigan too. What's YOUR arrangement with the Wolverines?

    Answer: A one-off. How midmajorey.

    I absolutely LOVE how you Indy-WACers are so desperate for validation that you accept ANY arrangement as though it's the best possible advantageous scenerio that could be made. It's like in that movie "Pee Wee's Big Adventure", when he crashed his bike on the curb, and wiped out on the lawn, he popped up and said, "I MEANT to do that!"

    Please keep up with your self-satisfied cognitive dissonance, so Holmoe can continue to feel free and enabled to continue securing those "Pee Wee" one-offs and 2-for-1s for your program.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 27, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    Uteology:

    "The series with Texas was canceled at Urban Meyer's urging."

    That is correct, only the REASON Meyer urged the series to be cancelled was because TCU was scheduled to join the league that year. This left us with only 3 O.O.C. games for 2005. The 2005 game was scheduled to be at Texas, but we already had 5 away games: 4 MWC games, plus the previously scheduled return game to No. Carolina. Texas' future schedules could not immediately accomodate Utah's desire to push it back, so the series was scrapped.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 27, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs:

    "Look, I know ute fans hate history lessons but BYU has beat U plenty of times, but BYU has beat U plenty of times,...a 26-14 record over the last 40 years....we only beat U 3/4 times from 2006-2009 but who's counting right? Lol"

    You also beat the U only 3 of 11 times from 2002-2012. LOL!

    As for that 26-14 record vs. your big brother over the past 40-yrs...

    Look, I know cougar fans hate History AND Math, but...

    (1) It's actually 25-15
    (2) 72% of those wins were all won over 20-yrs ago.
    (3) Back when the Indy-WACer were were winning all those games back in the 70s and 80s, they weren't jumping enmasse on OTHER teams' bandwagons because they'd also beaten the Utes. Ergo, Uteology was correct. You all ARE turning to the accomplishments of TCU, BSU, and USC due to your own program's ineptitude in the former rivalry.

    And YOU'RE accusing Uteology of "spin"?

    Typical hypocritical coug.

  • bribri86 Phoenix, AZ
    June 27, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    Everyone on here saying how "Utah get's USC 1 for 1 every year which is better than BYU" is like Wyoming boasting how they got BYU, Utah, and now Boise St. 1 for 1 every year. It's not like it's because of anything Utah did. They are in the same conference AND division. What else did you expect? It's like Kentucky boasting that they get Florida 1 for 1 every year. Doesn't chance the fact that Wyoming, Kentucky, and Utah are terrible at football.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 27, 2013 7:35 a.m.

    SportsFan:

    "If the Utes weren't such PACy-WACers, they'd petition the PAC 12 to allow them to play the BYU-Utah game to November..."

    Why would we petition the Pac-12 to allow us to play the Indy-WACers in November when this game really isn't all that important to us? Now granted, it's EXTREMELY important to YOU, but Utah is just not in the business of petitioning the Pac-12 on YOUR behalf.

  • Koloss Hampton, VA
    June 27, 2013 4:31 a.m.

    Y Grad/Y Dad,

    Look I know it's hard to understand but USC was part of the conference that asked Utah to join them. All the universities agreed on this. Oh yeah and in the last two years Utah has a .450 record against BCS teams to BYUs .400 record. USC is using the same logic as an Alabama team playing Western Kentucky the week before the Iron Bowl. It's practically a bye for them! BYU hasn't done anything nationally relevant in the last 15 years besides being the last short hurdle Utah has used to propel themselves to an undefeated season and a BCS bowl. You're not using logic you're using wishful thinking.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 26, 2013 10:14 p.m.

    @SportsFan: "The Utes had a once in a lifetime opportunity to schedule an elite OOC opponent to play in RES, so he made a tough decision to suspend the rivalry for a couple of years."

    Wrong! The series with Texas was canceled at Urban Meyer's urging. Otherwise Texas would have played at RES in 2008.

    The fact is simple, BYU begged/pleated/requested/asked "pretty please" Utah will you continue with the rivalry. Utah said no.

    If BYU was such a "legacy, top 25 program" they wouldn't be begging/pleating/requesting/asking "pretty please" USC/Notre Dame/Texas will you play us 2-for-1.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 26, 2013 10:10 p.m.

    Uteology:
    "Typical smack coming from BYU fans now a days, can't beat us so turn to the accomplishments of TCU, then Boise, and now USC/PAC-12".

    Look, I know ute fans hate history lessons but BYU has beat U plenty of times, and still owns the records for margin of victory and points scored, as well as a 26-14 record over the last 40 years. That hardly supports your "can't beat us statement"..,we only beat U 3/4 times from 2006-2009 but who's counting right? Lol
    As far as USC is concerned you're the one that asked the questios and I gave you answers. It's not my problem the truth hurts you. You tried to spin USCs easy win over U last year as some 4th qtr come from behind victory. I'm here to tell you that USC will continue to own Utah in years to come, and it wouldn't surprise me if at the end of a decade in the PAC12 Utah is 0-10 or at best 1-9 against the Trojans. That constitutes a gimme game. Don't take my word for it, watch it unfold before your eyes the next 8 yrs.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 26, 2013 9:51 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs

    "Lets just see what happens" when USC plays to the level they're capable of against Utah.

    -----------

    Typical smack coming from BYU fans now a days, can't beat us so turn to the accomplishments of TCU, then Boise, and now USC/PAC-12.

    If USC or any other PAC-12 team goes into RES and puts a 54-10 thrashing on us then feel free to talk smack of "gimme games".

    Until then, like your coach, worry about how your team will "Fix the 'Utah' Problem".

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 26, 2013 9:10 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    With BYU's help, USC was able to extend its series with Notre Dame.

    With Utah's help, USC was able to add one more automatic win to its conference record.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 26, 2013 9:07 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    "USC is forced to play Utah?"

    Absolutely!

    Why else would an elite program like USC ever consider playing in RES?

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 26, 2013 9:05 p.m.

    Uteology

    LOL at your weak spin.

    BYU wanting to continue the rivalry doesn't in any way, shape or form support your frantic and emotional claim that BYU is "begging" Utah for anything.

    The only reason Chris Hill didn't schedule BYU in 2014 and 2015 was because he'd didn't think the Utes could handle playing Michigan and BYU in the same seasons. The Utes had a once in a lifetime opportunity to schedule an elite OOC opponent to play in RES, so he made a tough decision to suspend the rivalry for a couple of years.

    Despite the delusional wishes of the BYU haters, BYU and Utah will continue the rivalry as a home-and-home series beyond 2016.

    If the Utes weren't such PACy-WACers, they'd petition the PAC 12 to allow them to play the BYU-Utah game to November, when rivalries should be played, and play Colorado in September as a conference ice breaker.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 26, 2013 8:59 p.m.

    Interesting. USC has extended its series with Notre Dame. Especially since it has a deal with the ACC.
    What about BYU? Nope.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 26, 2013 8:58 p.m.

    Nice try talkinsports.

    USC is forced to play Utah? LOL! HELLO! they are in the same conference.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 26, 2013 8:52 p.m.

    Koloss
    Hampton, VA

    Nice logic. So we might now expect, seeing as Utah has lost so many BCS games in the last two years, and lost to some real pathetic teams, that USC will be demanding 2-1 with Utah, to be followed be outright shunning if your losing ways continue?

    Try this logic instead. "We'll give you two marquee games in November if you are willing to play them in a region where you already have a significant fan base." I'd take that with USC. Oregon. With Utah???? For starters, you don't have permission.

    That makes me laugh out loud! Oh, sorry, LOL!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 26, 2013 8:33 p.m.

    @PAC man

    What "begging" are you talking about.

    ------------

    This begging:


    "Utah athletics director Chris Hill has announced that the football rivalry game between the Utes and BYU will not be played in 2014 and 2015."

    "Just like every other program in the country, we have to do what's in our best interest." -- KW

    "I understand that Utah has some challenges with scheduling, but as I have indicated on several occasions it is our preference to play the game every year." -- Tom Holmoe

    "I can say, from where we are, we'd like to play them every year." -- Mendenhall

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 26, 2013 8:24 p.m.

    Naval Vet:
    "As this game means more to you than it does for us, that puts Utah in a position of power. We have more options. Therefore, you'll have to either agree to a 2-for-1 with us, or you can run away from the rivalry".

    I love how you think for all BYU fans. Lets take a straw poll, how many BYU fans care about playing Utah when we can get home and homes with Washington St, Arizona (unlike NV wants to say this is a home and home with neutral site in between), GT, Boise St, Virginia, etc? Utah is in no more position of power than any of these programs because Utah is a low level BCS program. The sooner you realize that NV, the easier it will be to accept the unavoidable sub .500 records you'll be witnessing on the hill. U are NOT an elite program, and U CAN'T garner the respect that gets 2-1 deals (you couldn't even garner it for Fresno).

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 26, 2013 7:53 p.m.

    Uteology:
    "Can you tell us which other competitive, perennial top 25, legacy program that USC scheduled a 2-for-1 deal with".

    I'm pretty sure you know I meant BYU by this statement. They have finished top 25 5 out of the last 7 years...nearly as many times as Utah over their entire history. Athlon referred to BYU as a legacy dynasty, and ESPN listed them as a top 25 program of all time (they listed Utah at 43).

    "Gimme win? Like the last second blocked FG victory at home against a first year PAC-12 team with mostly MWC talent? Or the come from behind victory in the 4th quarter against a D2 QB at RES? If that's your definition of "gimme win" lets just see what happens when Utah actually has PAC-12 depth".

    Come from behind 4th qtr? USC was up 24-21 at halftime and going into the 4th qtr, and extended it to 38-21 later in the 4th. You must mean their come from behind after sleep walking and gifting U 14 points. "Lets just see what happens" when USC plays to the level they're capable of against Utah.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    June 26, 2013 7:50 p.m.

    navelvet

    It's laughable that you simply make stuff up to soothe your fragile ego.

    BYU's willingness to schedule a 2-for-1 with USC, with the two LA games being played in November, helped USC extend their rivalry with Notre Dame and helped BYU fill a couple of November time slots with nationally relevant games. It was a win-win for BYU and USC.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    June 26, 2013 7:42 p.m.

    navelvet

    What "begging" are you talking about. It's hysterical how Utah fans continue to pretend that the BYU-Utah game means more to BYU fans, than Utah fans. The truth is, a large segment of Utah's fan base is composed of BYU haters, who couldn't care less about Utah, except for when the Utes play BYU.

    You're only fooling yourselves if you think that Utah is in any position of power. Either the rivalry will continue as a mutually agreed upon home-and-home series, or it won't continue. If the Utes want to run away from the rivalry, that's their choice, but conference bottom-dwelling PACy-WACers like Utah are in no position to demand ANYTHING from BYU.

  • Koloss Hampton, VA
    June 26, 2013 7:28 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs
    BYU had a home and home series with the Trojans in 03 and 04 (slaughter) and now they have a 2-1? It's more than likely they have lost respect for them wouldn't you say? Utah has a home and home with them for the next several years! That's what happens when you win BCS games and get invited to a major conference. As for the GT win USC beat Utah last year and the year before and coincidentally Utah beat BYU both those years (once by 44 points) so your logic defeats itself. Oh yes, 4 years ago the Kittens had managed to win 3 of 4 but only on close last second plays. Considering BYU hasnt beaten Utah by more than a touchdown in about 15 years and thrice in the past 11 games Utah has utterly throttled BYU (52-21, 48-24 and 54-10) I'd say Utah is way ahead of BYU.
    All this spin by BYU fans is giving me vertigo!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2013 7:25 p.m.

    anti BCS:

    No, the reason the Trojans scheduled our Indy-WACey little brother is because they wanted a 2-for-1, and the cougars have been having firesales on those deals lately. 'Zona got one, so the Trojans figured, "why not?"

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2013 7:22 p.m.

    talkinsports:

    "A bottom-dwelling PACy-WACer like Utah is lucky to get a 1-for-1 with BYU."

    Well if WE'RE the ones who would be "lucky to get a 1-for-1 with BYU", why is it that all the begging to play the game is coming from the Indy-WACers? It's time you faced the facts: this game means a LOT more to your program than it does to ours. So YOU'RE the one who'd be lucky to get a 1-for-1; not us.

    As this game means more to you than it does for us, that puts Utah in a position of power. We have more options. Therefore, you'll have to either agree to a 2-for-1 with us, or you can run away from the rivalry.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    June 26, 2013 7:06 p.m.

    navelvet

    Unlike Utah, USC scheduled BYU because the Trojans wanted to play BYU, not because they were forced to.

  • ManInTheMiddle SANDY, UT
    June 26, 2013 6:49 p.m.

    Disneyland is going to be packed with people in Cougar blue over Thanksgiving Day break - can't wait. By then my young kids will travel better - Love this 2 for 1. I'm actually glad it's not a 1 for 1.

  • BYU sports on TV in Missouri Lebanon, MO
    June 26, 2013 6:44 p.m.

    Funny how many Ute fans posted on this article. Approaching paranoia..... If you have all moved on you are sure spending alot of time worrying about what BYU is doing. I guess you are worried that BYU might make you look bad in front of your Idol Pac-12 teams

    BYU has a large fan base in California. Great to play where BYU fans can attend the games. Not the same as playing in SLC as the fans are just as likely to go to Provo.

    Besides.... As a BYU fan I would rather see them play USC than Utah. So would the rest of the people watching the game on TV.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    June 26, 2013 6:31 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    A bottom-dwelling PACy-WACer like Utah is lucky to get a 1-for-1 with BYU.

    U can hold your breath until you're blue in the face, but BYU will NEVER agree to a 2-for-1 with Utah unless that's 2 games at LES for one at RES.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    June 26, 2013 6:26 p.m.

    Sorry Navel Vet-- Utah is no USC. Wash. St., Ore. St. and other PAC schools similar to Utah don't get 2 for 1 and either will Utah.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    June 26, 2013 6:26 p.m.

    To all of the jealous Utah trolls:

    BYU is willing to schedule 2-for-1's with elite teams, especially when it helps BYU fill their November schedule with nationally relevant games..

    Unfortunately for U, there are only a dozen or so elite teams in the country, and you're not one of them.

    The truth is, the only reason USC would even think of visiting RES, is because they're forced to by the PAC 12.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2013 6:15 p.m.

    Johnny Triumph:

    "Laughable that USC will play BYU but Utah will not."

    Sure we will. Just give us a 2-for-1 like that midmajorey agreement you signed with USC, and you'll be back on it. Guaranteed!

  • hobbes1012003 Kaysville, UT
    June 26, 2013 6:02 p.m.

    @AZUTE1

    where are you getting this info that Isaiah Nacua has decommitted? are you close friends with him? I am just curious to know how you know without a doubt that he is seriously considering the Ant hill?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 26, 2013 5:45 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs

    USC already has their gimme win in the state against Utah every year. This was about scheduling a competitive, perennial top 25 team...not a 2 hit wonder.

    ----------

    Can you tell us which other competitive, perennial top 25, legacy program that USC scheduled a 2-for-1 deal with.

    Gimme win? Like the last second blocked FG victory at home against a first year PAC-12 team with mostly MWC talent? Or the come from behind victory in the 4th quarter against a D2 QB at RES?

    If that's your definition of "gimme win" lets just see what happens when Utah actually has PAC-12 depth.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 26, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    Tom in CA
    Vallejo, CA

    BYU v. USC
    BYU v. utah

    Which of the above games draws the most media, and national attention?? Nuff said.
    What do both BYU and USC have in common? National Champions & Heisman Winners. Nuff said.
    What do utah and USC have in common - both wear red jerseys. Nuff said.

    ---------------

    What do Utah and USC red jersey's have in common they both OWN BYU. Nuff said.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 26, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    CougFaninTX: So the Trojans can play who they want, when they want; but the Utes have no control over their schedule. One more affirmation that the Utes made it to the big boy table, but are still sitting in a high chair.

    ----------

    That's hilarious considering we controlled the schedule enough to cancel the BYU game. Utah decided to cancel it because we can. As far as playing in November, besides Stanford and Oregon I can't imagine any other team be allowed to play non-conference games.

    @Wiscougarfan: Does that mean we have to start calling USC "Indy-WACers" now?

    No, they didn't bail the PAC-10 to join the WACC or become Indy and look for 1-for-2 deals.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 26, 2013 5:23 p.m.

    Too bad they have to go 2 for 1, but getting USC on the schedule is worth it. Playing teams like this helps gain exposure and increases revenue. Games are scheduled so far out though; a lot could happen and change between now and then.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    June 26, 2013 5:13 p.m.

    Seriously? 2019, 2021, 2023?

    These games are scheduled so far in the future, there is a better chance these games will get bought out and not played than they will be played.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    We're gonna pound these guys just like we always pound Utah.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 26, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    The new Utah 2-1... one game at LES, two years off.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    June 26, 2013 3:33 p.m.

    Laughable that USC will play BYU but Utah will not

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 26, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    Koloss:
    "Why is USC trying to be like an SEC team, scheduling a gimme game at the end of the year? BYU has been getting man-handled by a "low-tier" PAC-12 team the past few years!"

    Maybe they saw what the Cougs did to a GT team that "man-handled" them in their bowl game. They see BYU as a competitive program to help their resume. They couldn't care less about Utah or what BYU has done against them, considering Utah has been mediocre since joining their league...btw Utah's recent success isn't indicative of how close and tough the rivalry has been. Ute fans are quick to forget that from 2006-09 BYU won 3/4. USC already has their gimme win in the state against Utah every year. This was about scheduling a competitive, perennial top 25 team...not a 2 hit wonder.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 26, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    Papa Smurf:
    Very reasonable assessment and post. You're right I could argue with Oregon etc (because Oregon and UCLA both did home homes with BYU as well). The biggest names/programs in CFB haven't visited SLC. Penn State, ND, Texas, USC, Washington, etc have all visited Provo but not SLC.

    I also realize recruiting has suffered a little, but seems to be rebounding with some of the 2014 prospects/commitments. BYU knew independence wouldn't be easy, buts it's definitely proven to be better financially and in terms of exposure than the MW. As far as losing to big time ranked teams there isn't much difference between Bronco and Whitt...neither one has a stellar record against BCS ranked teams, with Kyle's only big victory coming against Bama. And Kyle seems to struggle against ranked teams regardless of BCS affiliation...47-7 loss to TCU, 26-3 loss to Boise. Bronco actually has a better record against ranked opponents.

    I agree, I hope Utah can be more competitive over time. Their challenge will be consistently out recruiting and out coaching the elite programs in the PAC12...a daunting task.

  • Koloss Hampton, VA
    June 26, 2013 2:51 p.m.

    Why is USC trying to be like an SEC team, scheduling a gimme game at the end of the year? BYU has been getting man-handled by a "low-tier" PAC-12 team the past few years!

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    June 26, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    Good pickup by BYU! If 2 for 1 is the best BYU can come up with to play GOOD teams in November than I'm good with that. Some Ute comments are directed towards why BYU would accept the 2 for 1 format (some asking with a hint of sarcasm) so here's your answer. BYU wants to reach out to its fanbase which is a national fanbase (Yes, it's true) not Notre Dame "national" but "national" nevertheless. You'll find a good number of BYU fans anywhere in the country, so that requires BYU to play road games to reach out to them. It's a combination of the ESPN, BYUtv, and road appearances that will outreach BYU to their fans nationwide. Another plus side is a win against good teams on the road look better on a resume for postseason than a win at home. This is not the main reason but a side note.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 26, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    2-Star byu is now 2-3 against The PAC-12, although not in a back-to-back, week-in, week-out grind mind you, which makes it even worse!

    2 wins against teams finishing at the bottom of the conference standings, getting brutalized at home by the only 2 teams which finished the season with a winning record, to the tune of 96-34, and they're 0-2 against UTAH!

    Because of how utterly weak they are, 2-Star byu is forced to accept a 2 for 1 with USC, in order to lose 3 more games to The PAC-12!

    BTW, DE Isaiah Nacua has de-committed from 2-Star byu and is squarely eying Big Brother up there on The Hill, instead! I absolutely love it!

  • Juice19 South Jordan, UT
    June 26, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    Isn't SLC closer than cougartown because of proximity to the airport? Love the chest thumping by my cougar friends. So what you have a PAC12 team coming to town in 6 years. In that same time frame we'll have 36 games in SLC, including 3 against USC. Not sure why this is even news really? I guess the cougs need something to celebrate these days.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    June 26, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    BYU v. USC
    BYU v. utah

    Which of the above games draws the most media, and national attention?? Nuff said.
    What do both BYU and USC have in common? National Champions & Heisman Winners. Nuff said.
    What do utah and USC have in common - both wear red jerseys. Nuff said.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 26, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs
    West Point , UT
    WACpaddle:
    USC isn't traveling to Idaho or New Mexico...not the same really. And honesty who cares for Utah. Whether U play the Trojans at home or in the Colisseum the outcome will always be the same...yet another loss to a winning PAC12 team.

    _____

    You mean like BYU losing to Utah?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    Michigan... USC... it's like BYU wants to have Utah's schedule.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 26, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    Wiscougarfan
    River Falls, WI
    RE: WACPaddingOurSchedule

    "More conformation that BYU is a low level afterthought, doing as they are told by signing yet another disadvantaged contract. More confirmation that BYU is considered a mid-major. USC also announced games against Idaho and New Mexico.
    Kinda pathetic really."

    Does that mean we have to start calling USC "Indy-WACers" now? And I wouldn't call SC "pathetic" if I were you... I'm pretty sure they own the U in football (and every other sport but gymnastics).

    _____

    Nope. USC is just scheduling a blue & white cupcake.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    June 26, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    Hamrdown,

    If you cannot detect the dripping sarcasm in my post, then I feel really bad for you as a Y fan. Most years we do hear the coaches or players down south talk about the BCS and NC. Even as soon as 2 years ago, Jake Heaps was proclaiming glory & greatness for the Y, when they had not done a single thing in the college football world since 1984 that was on a national scale.

    I do think that the Y's schedule this year is more demanding than the past few. They only have 6-7 built in wins this year instead of 9-10. So while the national pundits say that the Y may play as many as 4 ranked teams this year, the same pundits state that the Utes in the middle of their season may play 8 weeks in a row with 7 of those 8 teams being ranked. The lone non ranked team on the list was Byu. So if this is the toughest Y schedule in their history, I wonder what that makes the Utes in comparison. We won't know if each team is that good until the season starts. I cant wait.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    June 26, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    Kewgsndogs,

    I am not delusional to think that the Utes are one of the top teams in the Pac 12, and don't think that they will be anytime soon, if ever.

    You say that 3 of the biggest fan bases visited Provo. Ok, that may be partially true. 2 of the 4 best programs over the last decade have visited SLC before they were in the Pac 12. Oregon came into SLC ranked, after knocking off a ranked Michigan team, and the Utes beat them. Same with UCLA in 2007. They came in ranked 11th, just beat the little kitty's from Provo, and the Utes stomped them 44-6.

    We can play this game, and go back and forth over and over again until we are both blue in the face. Each program has their strengths and weaknesses. The Y's is they have not beat the big named teams since Bronco took over, and their recruiting has suffered more and more since they became an Indy Wac team.

    The Utes is they are having a very hard time playing with the big boys week in & out without the quality depth on their side. That will hopefully come with time.

  • hamrdown OREM, UT
    June 26, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    @Papasmurf, "Today is media day. Hill stated he was the best QB in the nation, Van Noy will win the Heisman as the best LB in the history of college football, and the Y is off yet to another BCS game, and possibly the NC. It is the same thing, different day, and year with media day."

    I have listened to the media day all day long and not once have I heard anybody mention what you posted earlier. I have heard the coaches and players talk about the excitement they have for the upcoming season, that the schedule is demanding, and they are looking forward to playing great teams.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 26, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    I love the nervous nellies up north.
    Worrying about every BYU move.

    I'm sure the trade off for November games with S.C. was a two for one.
    That's well worth it.
    A BYU game in L.A. is home away from home anyway.

    BYU can negotiate their own deals, their way.
    Utah is clearly at the bottom of their league's pecking order.

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    June 26, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    "I wonder how happy they are to HAVE to travel to Salt Lake now."

    They're ecstatic about it: They get an easy "W" without having to schedule Sacramento State or UC Davis.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 26, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    WACpaddle:
    USC isn't traveling to Idaho or New Mexico...not the same really. And honesty who cares for Utah. Whether U play the Trojans at home or in the Colisseum the outcome will always be the same...yet another loss to a winning PAC12 team.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 26, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    Papa Smurf:
    I was responding to Howie asking about a 2-1 with lowly Utah. He seems to be under the same delusion as other utes that being in the PAC12 somehow makes them equal to all the programs in it. USC, Washington, and ASU (3 of the largest fanbases in the PAC). You want to know what all those teams have in common? They all visited Provo while in the PAC10 for home and homes while not a single one visited Salt Lake City. I wonder how happy they are to HAVE to travel to Salt Lake now.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 26, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    RE: WACPaddingOurSchedule

    "More conformation that BYU is a low level afterthought, doing as they are told by signing yet another disadvantaged contract. More confirmation that BYU is considered a mid-major. USC also announced games against Idaho and New Mexico.
    Kinda pathetic really."

    Does that mean we have to start calling USC "Indy-WACers" now? And I wouldn't call SC "pathetic" if I were you... I'm pretty sure they own the U in football (and every other sport but gymnastics).

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    June 26, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    The game is also in November back at USC because they will possibly lose the Notre Dame game that they have in that slot. Has nothing to do with the Pac 12 rule of non conference games played in Sept. USC did not have that rule put into place for them when the contract was signed to make it a 12 team league. Washington cannot do this. Oregon St cannot do this. AZ ST cannot do this. Cal cannot do this. Etc. Etc. Etc.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    June 26, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    Kewgsndawgs,

    So now 2-1 gmaes are great huh? I just love that thinking of Y fans. They keep getting these 2 for 1 series, lose every single one of those games to those bigger teams, and even lesser team like San Jose St, and now the Y is the best thing since sliced bread.

    Today is media day. Hill stated he was the best QB in the nation, Van Noy will win the Heisman as the best LB in the history of college football, and the Y is off yet to another BCS game, and possibly the NC. It is the same thing, different day, and year with media day.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 26, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    Duckhunter
    Highland, UT
    More confirmation that utah is a low level afterthought brought in to do as they're told by the actual quality schools in the pac12. Kinda pathetic really.

    _______

    More conformation that BYU is a low level afterthought, doing as they are told by signing yet another disadvantaged contract. More confirmation that BYU is considered a mid-major. USC also announced games against Idaho and New Mexico.
    Kinda pathetic really.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 26, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    More confirmation that utah is a low level afterthought brought in to do as they're told by the actual quality schools in the pac12. Kinda pathetic really.

  • Hondo Scottsdale, AZ
    June 26, 2013 12:21 p.m.

    Congratulations on getting games scheduled for the 2019 season and beyond with a quality opponent.

    Looks like once again, however, BYU is trying to play catch up on something Utah has already been doing for a few seasons now. For BYU, the series is in the distant future, is a 2 for 1, and they run the risk of the games never happening due to all the potential schedule changes between now and then. For Utah, by contrast, the game with USC is on the calendar every year and it's not 2 for 1.

    I guess when your wallowing in irrelevance errrr independence you have to take what you can get.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 26, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    Howard:
    "Maybe Utah would be willing to do a 2 for 1 with BYU".

    No thanks. We'll take USC, ND, Texas, etc anyday. Utah wants to run to Fresno, BYU won't stand in their way when we have truly elite programs to do 2-1 with.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    2 for 1?

    Why don't you guys do a 1 for 1 like we do?

    Year after year after year after year after year

    I thought 1 for 1 was better?

    Please help byU fans?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 26, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    Howard S.
    Taylorsville, UT

    Lets just beat Utah this year, then U Utes can decide if you are really willing to do 2-1.

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    June 26, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    Howard--Why do you think USC and Utah are on the same level? If you'd read the rest of the posts here, you'd know that the Pac-12 doesn't consider them equal

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 26, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    Maybe Utah would be willing to do a 2 for 1 with BYU.

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    June 26, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    Right, hedgefog, I forgot.. LOL. I assumed USC did it because they can do whatever they want, but its still a dumb rule.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 26, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    So the Trojans can play who they want, when they want; but the Utes have no control over their schedule. One more affirmation that the Utes made it to the big boy table, but are still sitting in a high chair.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    dhsalum "So.. What happened to the Pac-12's rule about no ooc games late in the season..?"

    That rule only applies to lower tier, partial share, bottom dwelling PAC teams who are needed late in the season for 'gimme' win teams inside the conference. The elite teams are free to schedule actual competition as they see fit.

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    June 26, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    So.. What happened to the Pac-12's rule about no ooc games late in the season..?

  • Utes22 SPRINGVILLE, UT
    June 26, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    Good series for BYU. I was pretty surprised to see the two games in November do to the Pac-12 policy for November games to be in conference games only with very few exceptions. I'm sure USC does have quite a bit of sway on when they will play non-conference games. Maybe we just need Utah to go out and win a couple national championships then we can get the rivalry game back to the end of the season :) Good luck Cougars!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 26, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    Another great 2 for 1 with an elite team. While I wish it was another series here in the Midwest I can’t be too disappointed. BYU gets the first game in Provo, and two of the games are in November. This series fills a big need for BYU (November games), giving us fans something to look forward to at the end of the season in addition to the bowl games. November games against USC-type teams give the Cougars the opportunity of being a BCS buster for them while enhancing our own playoff status. It’s a great day to be a Cougarfan. Go Cougs!