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Published: Wednesday, June 26 2013 10:40 a.m. MDT

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Dan Maloy
Enid, OK

@ Allen Salt Lake valley, UT @Spider Rico

"The LDS church accepts that other churches have forms of baptism other than immersion by someone holding priesthood authority. Why is it acting differently in with marriages?"

Yes, the LDS church knows that other churches do baptisms by other than immersion and not by the priesthood authority, however, they do not accept those baptisms as being valid.

The LDS church leadership, and its members, understand that God has laws and that it is man's responsibility to yield to those laws and not God's responsibility to yield to the rules of man.

New to Utah
PAYSON, UT

Liberals on the Supreme Court voted as a block to deny the majority of the voters of California their constitutional rights. Justice Kennedy a huge legal friend of the gay community supported their position. Prop 8 supporters faced itimidation, political punishment and a Catholic friend in the Bay Area had his convertible scratched while he was at mass by homosexual advocates. Other things like targeting busineses,demonstrating on supporters lawns, verbally attacking at contributors business. The list could go on but the final straw was a multi million documentary supported by Hollywood billionaires blasted the bigoted and possibly criminal conduct of church leaders for forcing gays to be straight and then committing suicide. Hollywood and silicon valley have enough money and liberals willing to spend it to control public opinion.

Allen
Salt Lake valley, UT

@Dan Maloy

I agree that the LDS church knows other churches do baptisms differently, but it doesn't try to force LDS baptisms on others. Yet, with marriage it tries to force a definition of marriage between a man and a woman as the only form of marriage. As a church organization, they have the right to enforce in their organization a particular kind of relationship as marriage, but they should allow others the freedom to have different kinds of relationships in marriage and still call those relationships "marriage". I'm an active LDS and have opportunities to discuss marriage with other active LDS. I've been told by LDS friends that gays can do whatever they want, just don't call it marriage.

The statement from the LDS church public relations department includes "Notably, the court decision does not change the definition of marriage in nearly three-fourths of the states." The LDS church seems determined to continue governmental regulation of marriage.

Government = Civil unions
Social groups = marriage

Allen
Salt Lake valley, UT

These arguments about marriage could be eliminated if governments at all levels got out of the marriage business and focused on civil unions. Protections and tax breaks currently given via marriage could be given via civil unions. Social groups could define marriage however they wanted, and social groups would have no fear that government might force them to do marriage differently than they want.

Government = civil unions
Social groups = marriage

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Who cares what the LDS Church has to say about anything. If you're not a member, the pronouncements of the LDS Leaders mean diddly squat.

haggie
Visalia, CA

A consitutional ammendment in the state of California was legally passed making it illegal for state officials to marry same sex couples. This ammendment was appealed to a Federal Court which ruled against California's own populations wishes. Then to make matters worse the state of California did not defend its own constituion.

That is kind of like going to a party and people make derogatory remarks about your wife and you don't do anything about it (whether the name calling was accurate or not).

The fact of the matter is that there is a God. He is not pleased with deviant sexual behavior. We can be as smug about it all we want. God is our judge!

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Ciao

lds4gaymarriage
Salt Lake City, UT

dtlenox
By applying such a one-size-fits-all, unjustified stereotype, they are themselves
becoming the very thing that they accuse others of being.
LDS4
Pot-Kettle-Black!! For decades, gays have been labeled as sexual deviants, child
molesters, and worse. The religious right picked this fight and lost and are now
complaining now that the shoe is on the other foot. You are reaping what you sewed.

haggie
..to make matters worse the state of California did not defend its own constituion.
That is kind of like going to a party and people make derogatory remarks about your
wife and you don't do anything about it (whether the name calling was accurate or
not).
LDS4
If you wife is 300lbs and someone says that she's fat, are you REALLY going to try to
convince 9 strangers that she's fine and that there's nothing wrong? The Pro-8
side's defense of the initiative was as laughable as saying that your 300lb wife is fine. That's why the state begged off defending Prop 8. Why waste their time and tax payer's money? It was a loser right out of the gate.

ulvegaard
Medical Lake, Washington

For those who continue to insist that the LDS church single handedly won the election for Prop. 8, or that they are trying to force everyone to submit to their doctrines, try to consider that religious organizations have a right to protect their own doctrines from being overwhelmed by governments - it's called 'separation of church and state'.

Those who have suggested that the next agenda will be to try to force religious organizations to recognize and accept gay marriages or be disenfranchised. Already in the world pastors have been threatened with legal action for continuing to preach their established doctrines which do not mesh with this new social experiment.

Agency declares that everyone may choose for themselves and that includes religious entities who do not agree with gay marriage.

Vince Ballard
South Ogden, UT

Instead of being a republican democracy, as the Founding Fathers intended, we are at risk of becoming a "juridocracy", created by an increasing number of people who simply will not accept the law of common consent. This should worry us all, regardless of our position on the issues at hand.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

What is viewed as a great defeat for conservatives and for religion is nothing of the sort. Traditional marriage is virtually unaffected by this ruling . If anything traditional marriage is helped by the fact the gays have come fully out of the closet. No longer will gay people marry straight people unawares they will stick to the their own kind and this is good for traditional marriage.

ImABeliever
Provo, UT

Genesis Chapter 18: 3 Words: Sodom and Gomarrah = Destruction.

Contrarius
mid-state, TN

@ImABeliever

"Genesis Chapter 18: 3 Words: Sodom and Gomarrah = Destruction."

You may be a "believer", but you're not enough of a READER.

Sodom actually had a lot more to do with arrogance and lack of hospitality than it did with homosexuality.

"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me." (Ezekiel 16.49-50 NASB)

And btw -- the term "sodomy" actually refers to acts which can be enjoyed by straight couples just as easily as by gay couples. Are you going to start trying to ban straight marriages?

Sneaky Jimmy
Bay Area, CA

This pronouncement was ill conceived and poorly timed. The LDS Church needs to distance itself from the huge tactical error that was Prop 8. Continued rhetoric about protecting traditional marriage no longer holds water. More and more church member's are beginning to see that allowing more people to marry is actually a good thing for this country.

solsticelight
Newport, OR

For those of us who are more concerned with minding their own moral compass than everyone elses, this is not even an issue! God does the judging, not us. In my community, the gays have lovely gardens and the cutest little dogs! They are well-spoken, drive nice cars, listen to nice music, are very artistic and own a lot of the local businesses. They smile, wave, and are courteous drivers. I can't think of one problem I have with them. God doesn't make mistakes...

twells
Ogden, UT

I have simple questions. I really don't how the will of the people keeps being ignored in this country. It takes money for these types of cases to advance to the Supreme Court. Who is paying for this? Are there really that many Gay people in this country that have enourmous political power? It is not easy to be Gay in any culture. I have many concerns and worries as well . Yet, I will never have the resources to have any impact. We have such monumental problems in this country and yet this is the direction and focus. Protected status is what groups are demanding. What about those groups that want traditional families, the freedom to practice a religion of choice, to want smaller government interrence? Do we as a society really want a Governmental entity constantly deciding moral questions? We are on a very slippery slope. We have seen recent open mass governmental corruption with the IRS, Bengazi, NSA spying. Where are the consequences for this type of corruption? Where is the public outrage - why is no one accountable?

Red Smith
American Fork, UT

Passing laws doesn't make people moral, honest, virtuous. We cannot force others to be good.

killpack
Sandy, UT

@Sneaky Jimmy

'The LDS Church needs to distance itself from the huge tactical error that was Prop 8...More and more church member's are beginning to see that allowing more people to marry is actually a good thing for this country.'

Well, like California, the LDS Church isn't a democracy. The faithful LDS community will not question what the leaders of that church say. LDS who disagree with the official positions of the church will either have to agree to disagree or leave. Trying to change the official position is futile, and simply isn't how the LDS Church operates.

AZ Blue & Red
Gilbert, AZ

People can do much of what they want. I think most know deep down what is right and what is wrong. What is natural and what is not. (Whether they want to admit it or not).

So the bottom line is this.

Right is Right and Wrong is Wrong.

We have many things that are "legal" that are wrong. God knows what is right and we all will know for sure in the next life. Just don't act surprised when truth be told.

Cougar in Texas
Houston, TX

amazondoc

There are indeed life-long bisexuals who will desire ongoing relationships with both a man and a woman (polyamorous). If marriage is reduced to love and dedication to another individual, the bisexual is forced to choose one and have relationships outside of marriage with the other. How many people do we hear about that married one sex, left that person, married or shacked up with someone from the other sex, and then tried to decide where to go next?

You deny a form of religious oppression by stating that the example used was from Europe where there are officially recognized churches and therefore cannot apply in the US, then go on to use a court case in Canada (actually, only British Columbia) to show that polygamy will remain banned in the US. And the BC case was upheld only due to the harmful nature of the specific polygamous unions then under review. Polygamy was not rejected because it was polygamy, but because it involved child brides, forced marriages, and expulsion of rival young men.

The rationale used to support gay marriage naturally opens the door to any relationship between individuals who vow to love, honor, and cherish.

zoar63
Mesa, AZ

@Contrarius

"The term "sodomy" actually refers to acts which are just as easily enjoyed by heterosexuals as by homosexuals.

Are you ready to deny marriage to straight people who happen to enjoy those very same acts?"

This argument and many like it is the learning of men rationalizing away the scriptures and replacing them with their logic. Another way is to say the apostle, disciple or prophet hated homosexuals and whatthey wrote were just their own opinions, thus causing doubt about the rest of what they wrote about.

Or they may say that Christ never said anything about homosexuality while ignoring the fact that the people that Christ was speaking to observed the law of Moses which forbid homosexual activity. So there would have been no reason for Christ to mention homosexuality They already knew it was sinful.

O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not.. 2Ne 9:28

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