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Published: Wednesday, June 26 2013 10:40 a.m. MDT

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Seriously,
Why are so many LDS people so wound up about this anyway issue?

I mean --
If you truly know and understand LDS Doctrine,
You should be the very first to realize ALL marriages end at death -
even the monogamous heterosexual ones.

So, as LDS members,
shouldn't we all know that Temple Sealings are the one only one's the Lord counts anyway.

And America is a NOT a Theocracy.
Let American's and our Government pass our laws,
we obey them,
and let God have the final say so...

Seriously --
Keep Government and anyone else OUT of our bedrooms, houses, and the internet...

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Blue AZ Cougar
Why do we have to default to the viewpoint of non-religious folks?
You don't, You just can't use your religion to dictate what non-religious folks do, simple.

We are not a theocracy or a pure democracy, why do so many of you want the christian version of sharia law in America?

Cowboy Joe said it well: "Why is everyone getting so worked up about this decision? It only deals with 4% of the population who have same gender attractions."

Other than using religious control through legislation, to deprive a minority of equal treatment under the law.

Kate Hutch
Kenmore, WA

Some of us seem to forget that the most sacred business of judges is not to ratify the will of the majority but to protect the minority from its tyranny. And Jesus did not say one word about homosexuality. Taxpaying, law-abiding citizens all deserve equal rights under the eyes of the law.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Blue AZ Cougar
"At what point does someone's support of LGBT groups (e.g. vocally, monetarily, etc.) result in a temple recommend not being issued to that person?"

Elder Whitney Clayton of the Seventy said that members should feel free to disagree on the issue without fear of sanction. So I don't think just providing vocal or monetary support to gay marriage efforts, as far as civil law is concerned, is enough to deny a recommend.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Blue AZ Cougar
By the way (I should clear up any confusion I cause), I'm not a church leader by any means, heck I'm not even a member, but I figured I'd note Elder Clayton's statement since it seemed relevant to what you were looking for.

Moontan
Roanoke, VA

American society is crumbling by the day. SSM isn't the cause; its a symptom. With a 60% divorce rate, heterosexuals need no help destroying the institution of marriage.

Know the Scriptures, live them, and ride out the storm.

DanO
Mission Viejo, CA

Let's clear up a little confusion here. It's forgotten that the proponents of Prop 8 didn't want the State defending Prop 8. They didn't trust the state and the state let them step in. They lost. At that point, there is nothing, no law nor precedent that requires a defendant (The State of California) to appeal a decision against them. There just isn't. The State chose not to appeal. That is well within their right. It happens all the time. In fact, if the State believes they will lose the appeal, the conservative thing to do is not file for appeal.

Moontan
Roanoke, VA

@Kate ... Jesus didn't say anything about pedophilia, either. And tyranny of the minority harms far more people than does tyranny of the majority.

DanO
Mission Viejo, CA

Moonton, at the time of Jesus, it was common for 12 year-olds to get married.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Why do people who aren't LDS care what LDS Church leader's response is? Why freak out that they didn't change their mind?

Do you really expect them to change church doctrine because of a Supreme Court ruling? There are MANY things that are technically "legal" that Church Leaders warn are not good for us.

I doubt church doctrine is going to change any time soon. But laws change all the time. It's nothing new. Just because something becomes "Legal" doesn't mean the doctrine is no longer true. We still shouldn't drink Alcohol (even though it's legal). We still shouldn't be getting Abortions (even though it's legal). This is no different.

My concern is that the world is getting closer and closer to a point where God is not going to stand for it (if he really cares). And that affects us all.

I wonder how long we have left before we are ripe.

Mikhail
ALPINE, UT

“There is no democracy of facts.” Neal A. Maxwell. When words are redefined the argument cannot be won - there can be no meaning when definitions are changed for some type of perceived expediency. Without meaning there is no understanding. Without understanding we are left to chaos and its attendant violence. Hope you enjoy the chaos. It is here.

State power was upheld by the Supremes today. However, when the leaders of a state, like Cali, choose their own judgment over the judgment of the majority of voters, what are you left with? Democracy, or a republican-democracy it is not. Marriage was not invented by government. I wonder why government believes it should even be involved with it. Who is to say how many cents in a dollar, ounces in a pound, or inches in a yard? Standards are the ideas of someone. Laws, natural or statutory, are declarations by someone.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams

NotFaint
Provo, UT

If there’s anything meaningful in all this, it forces individuals to declare their standing -- and just makes the impending sifting of the wheat and the tares so distinct. Choose ye this day…

Not sure why the LDS church would so narrowly limit their position statement to the phrase “the best environment for nurturing children”. At a minimum, they should be declaring it’s the environment which best "assures the ongoing sustainability of the entire society”, not just children.

Mikhail
ALPINE, UT

QuercusQate

"Because their money wasn't just an expression of free speech, it was also a fundamentally anti-American attempt to strip rights and marriages from CA citizens. As an American, you should be disturbed about it, too."

Perhaps you are equally disturbed by the pro-gay lobby and organized 501(c) groups who organized, raised money, and canvassed California prior to the vote on Prop. 8?

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "BYU Track Star" there may be some individuals that have a hard time with it, but that is not what the LDS church as a whole is working on. 20 years ago I was reading in the Handbook of Instructions for church leaders that gays are to be accepted and fully fellowshiped into the church, just like any other person. To fully appreciate the church, you often have to separate doctrine from member practices and prejudices. My own grandmother had prejudices that were fine 40 years ago, but today are considered wrong. If your HP quorum has problems with a gay person, the problem isn't the church or its doctrine, but the people that are at a different point in their learning.

If your HP group has problems with a gay LDS member who lives up to the LDS standards, the problem lies in your HP group. If they give that gay member a hard time, are you willing and prepared to stand up to your HP group and rebuke them?

The problems arise when it comes to homosexual relationships, which are wrong according to LDS doctrine.

Daniel Leifker
San Francisco, CA

I have a lot of gay and lesbian friends in California, and many of them are openly crying with happiness today.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Can you see a time when BIG brother government forces the LDS church to perform gay marriage in their temples? Seem far fetched? Better think again. I would expect such a ruling within the next decade. Liberty is dead in America.

Shelama
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Anything that does not have a negative secular effect is not a moral issue at all.

Same-sex marriage is not even a moral issue.

It may be a religious issue but one shouldn't confuse religion, or the pronouncements of religious leaders, with morality.

The ONLY things needed for a system of morality is socio-biology and the evolutionary traits of empathy, altruism, cooperative social living, sense of fairness & sharing, and the nurture, protection and education of the live-born young.

Same-sex marriage may be a religious issue for some people but it's simply not a moral issue.

Ralph
Salt Lake City, UT

The Church will eventually accept some form of gay marriage. It's inevitable.
It's not a bad thing. In fact, it shows that the Church is flexible and needs to get new converts.
They had to allow blacks into the priesthood and they had to give up polygamy. They will eventually, at least tacitly, recognize gay marriage/unions.

OnlyInUtah
Cottonwood Heights, UT

In God I Trust... I have never trusted in the Supreme Court, and I never will.

Dan Maloy
Enid, OK

Article quote: "By ruling that supporters of Proposition 8 lacked standing to bring this case to court, the Supreme Court has highlighted troubling questions about how our democratic and judicial system operates," LDS Church spokesman Michael Otterson said. "Many Californians will wonder if there is something fundamentally wrong when their government will not defend or protect a popular vote that reflects the views of a majority of their citizens."

"Lacked standing"?

News flash to the Supreme Court and to those on the left: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was not the only organization or group of people fighting to sustain Prop 8. Perhaps you guys have forgotten the MILLIONS of California citizens who voted in favor of Prop 8?

With rulings like this, it won't be long until God will fulfill the punishment America brings upon herself. How utterly pathetic....

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