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Published: Wednesday, June 26 2013 10:40 a.m. MDT

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Christopher B
Ogden, UT

"which for thousands of years has proven to be the best environment for nurturing children."

President Monson speaks for God, so Mormons believe.

Catholics like myself believe Pope Francis speaks for God

Either way, I know which side I'm on.

Larry Chandler
CEDAR CITY, UT

"Many Californians will wonder if there is something fundamentally wrong when their government will not defend or protect a popular vote that reflects the views of a majority of their citizens."

And would the church be ok if people voted to disallow Mormonism? Or are there rights that cannot and should not be voted on?

dalefarr
South Jordan, Utah

What was fundamentally wrong is that at the trial court level, the Mormon Church left the defense of Prop 8 to others who failed to put on a case. The garbage in garbage out rule applies to judicial proceedings.

John Pack Lambert of Michigan
Ypsilanti, MI

I think this statement highlights why this is such a disturbing decision. It is actually more disturbing, because the fact that in one county in California there were government officials willing to defend the law is ignored.

This was a horrible decision. What the Supreme Court should have done, if they really thought as some claimed that it should not weigh in on such issues, is to hold that there is nothing in the constitution that prevents man/woman marriage being defined as the standard of marriage. That is a straightforward and defendable decision, which in no way prevents those who wish to change it from doing so through normal democratic means.

Letting the ruling by a district judge stand, especially this ruling, which exhibits a large amount of animus toward religion, was the worst possible decision. Especially in light of the California Supreme Court ruling that those who appealed did have standing under California laws.

This will allow elected officials to ignore the will of the people in referendum cases even more.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

The state of California had an obligation to defend Prop 8 and refused to do so. That's further evidence that government is corrupt. When government fails to follow its own laws, what do you expect?
I praise the LDS Church for having the integrity to make a bold statement today. It's refreshing.

m.g. scott
clearfield, UT

Re: Larry Chandler

I think you used an apples to oranges comparison. Changing traditional marriage is different from outlawing a certain religion. One thing I am sure of. If the people of California, or Utah for that matter, voted to disallow Muslims, or Catholics, or athiests, ect. the LDS Church would be against it.

OC Guy
San Diego, CA

The state of California also declined to appeal the Perez vs. Sharp decision, which outlawed anti-miscegenation laws in the state in 1948. By declining to appeal this California State Supreme Court ruling, the US Supreme Court never considered it, thus overturning California's law barring interracial marriage.Would Mr Otterson also deem that legal process as "flawed"??f Though I imagine that from the 1940s until well into the 1980s, the LDS Church would have filed a friend of the court brief in favor of retaining legal barriers to interracial marriage. The 1978 issue of Ensign which announced the end of the priesthood ban for blacks also contained an article advising against interracial marriage.

WouldntYouKnow
Sandy, UT

"...their government will not defend or protect a popular vote that reflects the views of a majority of their citizens."

The majority should never be allowed to vote on minority civil rights issues, for obvious reasons. If the majority can vote to take away rights from a minority of United States Citizens our constitution means nothing.

UtahDemocrat
Salt Lake City, UT

Interesting that the church position, justified as a moral imperative, has devolved into concerns about "complex jurisdictional issues."

As for the church remaining "irrevocably committed to strengthening traditional marriage..." perhaps focusing on helping traditional married couples instead of expending resources attacking the legal protections of families outside the flock would be a better way to demonstrate such commitment.

Macfarren
Dallas, TX

@Larry Chandler

The difference is, the Constitution protects freedom of religion, but it does not mention marriage.

From a legal standpoint, just like all business entities, marriage is regulated by the states. For example, you can't marry your sibling, for instance, or have two legal spouses. Marriage therefore is not a 'civil right' as many claim, open to whomever wishes to enter into the contract. It is a legal, contracted relationship approved and regulated by individually separate states.

Further, as a state-regulated entity, the people of the state have every right to decide on how marriage is in fact regulated in their jurisdiction.

Where the *real* conflict is if the people of a state attempt to change the definition of marriage into a 'new' type of relationship (man-man, or woman-woman, or something else), and then tries to force religious institutions to recognize and perform marriage types which are in contradiction with their teachings.

Many will say don't worry about such a thing. But watch out. It is coming. It's already happening among military chaplains.

UtefromAZ
Phoenix, AZ

Hate to say it, but the legalization of Gay marriage is something that'll most likely destroy this country.

Now look, I have no problem with people being gay. Because to me, it's their choice. But the fact that society is telling us that we basically have to accept them is what's wrong. I'm against racism, however, while I really think it's wrong that there's some people who don't accept afircan americans and I think it's messed up, I don't believe that they should be forced to agree or accept my view.

This is just an attack on marriage, which is Satans plan in the first place.

Theeng2
Holladay, UT

In the end, America is just a piece of land, and laws are just ideas that have been written down.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Marriage of same-sex couples isn't going to destroy this country. It is people who want to claim that their "god says so" who are going to destory this country.

HotGlobe
SAN RAFAEL, CA

Ok, this tone-deaf reaction was to be expected, but LDS Church will eventually change their minds. Once again, they will be well behind the curve, but hopefully they will be swinging sometime before 2078.

JohnNewman
Austin, TX

"Many Californians will wonder if there is something fundamentally wrong when their government will not defend or protect a popular vote that reflects the views of a majority of their citizens."

Well, it is nice to see that the LDS church doesnt understand how the supreme court functions. If something is unconstitutional, you cant defend it.

ceci
sacramento, CA

As a Californian, I found it disturbing that the Mormon Church spent so much money trying to defeat a measure and influence in my State. This is fundamentally unfair since it involved tens of millions of dollars ($11,000,000) raised by the Mornom church and, I believe, busing in people. After Prop 8 passed and opponents of it held a candlelight vigil, the new here even interviewed a 10 year old child who stood in protest of the vigil - she spewed the Mormon line of gay marriage being wrong. Mormon's are free to believe what they want, but why hurt others and buy elections? It's despicable. Californians should be the ones to decide, not outside interest groups. And, Religious groups should quit meddling in issues that so drastically take away the basic rights and human needs of individuals.

DefyGravity
Provo, UT

You might want to do some research on how being gay is not a choice. Even the LDS church doesn't say that anymore. (See the gays and Mormons website the church created.) And according to church doctrine, Satan's plan had nothing to do with marriage. It was about taking away choices. Isn't that what you are doing if you take away people's ability to choose who they want to marry?

And if one man and one woman is the best way to raise children, does that mean all the polygamous ancestors some Mormons have were all awful parents and all their children were deprived? I think the church is forgetting it's own history of different marriage practices in their zeal to defend their own status quo. I believe Hugh Nibley called that kind of attitude "zeal without knowledge" and suggested that zeal should be tempered with wisdom.That wisdom and understanding of one's own history is sorely lacking in this statement.

Stephen Kent Ehat
Lindon, UT

The people of the United States, through their elected members in federal Congress assembled, decided that marriage is between one man and one woman for federal purposes.

The people of the State of California, directly through their own state's initiative process, decided that marriage is between one man and one woman for California state purposes.

In California the people side-stepped their Legislature because it was unresponsive to them.

In both cases government continued unresponsive. President Obama refused to defend DOMA and in California the governor and attorney general refused to defend Art. I, §7.5 of the California Constitution (enacted by Prop 8).

So. Who decides?

We should not have been put through this last period of time, waiting for, of all things, nine persons in black robes in Washington, D.C. to decide so fundamental a question as whether to change the very definition of the most fundamental institution in society.

Justice Scalia said it well: "[T]he Court has cheated both sides, robbing the winners of an honest victory, and the losers of the peace that comes from a fair defeat. We owed both of them better."

The debate is far from over.

Gwion
mamaroneck, NY

if you try to make the world like the church you end up making the church like the world - Tim Keller

ceci
sacramento, CA

What if my god says it's ok to allow gays and lesbians to marry? The US is NOT a Theocracy and we are certainly not a Mormon Theocracy. Mormon's cannot dictate what is right and wrong based on their god and religion.

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