The 'progressives' don't seem to recognize progress when they see
it. Welcome to 2013!
"...Contrary to the assertions of many critics, a majority of the U.S.
Supreme Court did not return the nation to the age of poll taxes and other
racial discriminations with its voting rights ruling Tuesday...".Where's a super majority when you need one?Meanwhile...Return to poll taxes and other forms of discrimination?Now
that the federal government is out of the way...Why not?
Fear-mongering or not, voter ID laws of discriminatory intent are something to
be afraid of. The Colorado case I cited above is the one I’m most familiar
with but evidence of attempted voter suppression specifically targeting Latino
and black voters in last year’s election came from all across the country.
The issue with voter fraud is that some people are voting multiple times. This
undermines the real votes of actual people.
A- the attempts to turn voting ID requirements into a race issue are fear
mongering at their worse.Here in Michigan I have been consistently
asked to show ID when voting. This is a universally enforced rule on all.These are fights against voter fraud, the tendency of some people to
vote early and often, sometimes under false names. In some places there were
city clerks who basically had people vote on behalf of those who were to sickly
and out of it to make the choice on their own.It should also be kept
in mind that the reactions to the end of specific rules for specific places are
just plain ill informed. The ones who react in hate spewing in no way show a
belief that the places involved really deserved special scrutiny.
Craig Clark,1. What "Denial of rights" did doing away with this
outdated law cause?2. How are Republicans "keeping minorities
from voting at all"?3. Sounds like YOU are stuck in the 60s with
a huge jug of coolaid.4. Are you saying we need this law (which only
applied in some Southern States) in COLORADO now??? We need even MORE laws like
this? Man... you are not only stuck in the 60s... sounds like we're are
even WORSE off than we were in the 60s! That proves the law wasn't
working.No.. there's no war against minorities, war against
women, war against immigrants, war against whatever. This is all just stuff
you get when you accept the Democrat rhetoric and consume too much MSNBC blather
with your coolaid.
2 bits,"....I have to wonder if Democrats think they need to
keep the 60s going, and the illusion that we haven't made any progress
since the 60s, and we need the Race-Based laws we needed in the 60s, to keep
minority voters voting for them in such high percentages...."______________________________Republicans might explore ways to
get minority voters to vote for them instead of keeping them from voting at
all.We saw an ugly example here in the last election where Latinos
vote Democrat by a large percentage. With Colorado a crucial swing state, our
Republican Secretary of State led a campaign to purge voter rolls of
‘non-citizens.’ He sent out 4,000 letters advising voters they had
to provide proof of eligibility to vote. He confined the mailing to Denver which
is the state’s Democratic Party stronghold. A Federal judge intervened
telling him he couldn’t do that. A Denver TV news investigation showed
most voters who received the letter were U.S. citizens and registered to
vote.Don’t tell me that voting rights is a dead issue that
belongs back in the 1960s. Not after that fiasco.
It’s no longer 1965 but denial of rights is as morally wrong today as it
was in 1965 and even before. A court-ordered remedy is meant to immediately
address injustice. But Federal law in response to institutionalized repression
is itself an institutionalized response in what we call government by the
people.Whether or how realities change over time is a matter of
perception that doesn’t render the law discardable on whims of the day.
Congress can repeal the law but has not seen fit to even amend it. The Court can
reverse earlier rulings on Constitutionality as it has done here with another
5-4 decision on a Federal law it upheld intact only four years ago. For a
landmark piece of civil rights legislation that weathered the test of time for
half a century, that’s sure to be debated for years to come.
I have to wonder if Democrats think they need to keep the 60s going, and the
illusion that we haven't made any progress since the 60s, and we need the
Race-Based laws we needed in the 60s, to keep minority voters voting for them in
such high percentages.If people learned that we don't need
these laws anymore... How would Democrats drive that wedge every election, and
make the case that minorities must keep electing Democrats or they will be right
back on the plantation? (google Joe Biden "Republicans are going to put
Y'ALL back in chains" remark, or Democratic party chair promising to
send Mark Sanford "Back to the plantation").Democrats drive
this wedge EVERY election (with great success). But if people figured out
we're not in the 60s anymore, and Republicans really aren't the enemy
wanting to put us back on the plantation... they may lose that key voting block,
and that huge advantage in every national election.I'm just
sayin... it seems Democrats pull that same trick and scare voters into thinking
it's the 60's or "the plantation" if we don't elect them
I've worked as an election judge for several elections. So to answer the
questionsIf you do not have an accepted ID, you may vote
provisionally. This gives you time to go to the Clerk's office and show
your ID. Failure to do so means your ballot will not be counted.It
would be possible to have more people vote than are on a register. Some people
vote in the wrong place. Some people say they are registered but no record can
be found. Some people vote via mail and then say they didn't. All these
people are allowed to vote provisionally. The Clerk's staff then
researches those ballots and decides whether they are valid or not.If there is a question of whether a person is eligible to vote, the voter
should ALWAYS be given the benefit of the doubt. The Clerk's office has
time to make a decision after the fact.
It's about time our politicians and some people figured out that it's
not 1965 anymore.You can't make progress if you keep thinking
we are the same as the people back in 1965. If we can have a black President
and many black legislators... I think that shows we have made some progress. So
it's time to get rid of some of the laws motivated by the problems we had
in the 60s and see how the public responds to their new freedom. IF they go
back to the practices of the 60's... then we have failed and the laws can
come back. IF we have actually made some progress... then maybe throwing out
some laws based on the problems of the 60s would be a liberating and a
"good" thing.Then and only then can we find out if people
have really changed... or if they were just controlled by these outdated laws
keeping them from being racist.I don't think we need this law
anymore. It is just a symbol of the past. We should not be living in the past.
Re: ". . . SCOTUS has just killed effectively killed modern
democracy."Interesting comment.Apparently, to
liberals, "modern democracy" consists of permitting some people,
primarily liberals, of course, to gang up on others, requiring them to bear
burdens they don't want to bear themselves, whether or not that burden is
necessary.Sounds more like gang warfare, to me.It's
sad that such is the "modern democracy" liberals are selling. And that
they get away with calling it democracy.
Don't expect the right wing to characterize this decision as legislating
from the bench. But in 1965, conservatives most certainly would have been
throwing fits if a Warren Court ruling had proscribed as remedial action the
very measures that LBJ and Congress did put into law as the Voting Rights
Act.The Deseret News editorial calls it "shelf life." They
may be right. But in 1965, it was urgently needed legislation for which LBJ
personified Presidential leadership at its finest.
I don't think the voting rights act applied to white voters in Philly in
2010. At least not from BO and holder's reactions to white voter
suppression that occurred there.
"How can more people vote in a precinct than there are regisitered voters?
At my precinct, there is a list of eligible voters. The voter signs his name
when he votes."Yep, Richards, you are right. How can more people
vote then are eligible? A thinking person would, after coming to this
conclusion, investigate what really happened. And not just believe that chain
email they got. A non-thinking person would just repeat what they've heard
from conservative radio hosts.But I already have a feeling I know
what you are going to do.
Are all citizens who are of voting age allowed to vote? Are all non-citizens or
those who are not old enough to vote banned from voting? What more needs to be
done? If no election judge personally knows a voter, that voter
should show a picture I.D. I have to show my I.D., and I've known the
election judges for thirty-years. Why would anyone think that they will
automatically be allowed to vote in any precinct just because they claim to be
elligible? All anyone has to do is to look at the results of the
last election and see for himself which precincts had well over 100% of eligible
voters voting and how many pricincts didn't have a single vote cast for the
Republican candidate. Reasonable people would know that those precincts were
"up to something". Only in the old Soviet Union did the favored
candidate get ALL the votes. It just doesn't happen in America. How can
more people vote in a precinct than there are regisitered voters? At my
precinct, there is a list of eligible voters. The voter signs his name when he
Well, VST, you could test your own theory by asking Texas or Mississippi to do
specific things to make the whole voting process easier, which it should be once
a person is lawfully registered. But then again, you may not want to. Utah
basically only has one Party, so it's not an issue there.
I fear VST misses the point. No, Congress did not update the law, as SCOTUS said
they should, and so some of the blame for this decision must rest with them. But
on the other hand, it's the 2013 Congress we now have, and their propensity
to make voting easier is less than zero. Today's GOP will NEVER agree,
especially at the state level, to something that would hinder them from trying
to reduce popular vote among certain population groups - not because they hate
them, but because they hate Democrats, and will do anything they can to regain
power even though their party is badly split. Their eagerness to resume de facto
discrimination became apparent today, with announcements from several states,
all, of course, in the name of stopping "voter fraud".
I must ask, "Who is promoting racism?" Is it the majority race or the
minority races? In this day and age, preferential treatment of one race over
another race is racism. In the immortal words of Rodney King, "Can't
we all just get along?"
Typical Utah viewpoint: "Back to the Future". Does this mean that
Official Declaration 2 should now be repealed?
Pretty sad and bizarre that so many don't want states to even verify that a
person is a live citizen of the country before voting in the country.
You're right it's not 1965 now discrimination takes the form of
prohibiting all the specific characteristics of minority voter participation.
Black voter participation is high and equal specifically because the voting
rights act was used to prohibit modern discrimination. Another change in modern
discrimination is that voter repression while aimed at minorities is less about
a hatred of their skin color and more about their proclivity to vote for the
Democratic party with race simply being the vehicle to suppress that vote.
It's still race discrimination in the end. It would be a whole
different situation if we had a congress that was concerned about voter and
civil rights, (like we had as late as 2005),but when an entire party has
declared it's only goal is to defeat the other party the SCOTUS has just
killed effectively killed modern democracy.
PART TWO:But even more favorably, the Court also cited Census Bureau
data from the most recent election stating that the data indicate that
African-American voter turnout (not registration, turnout) exceeded white voter
turnout in five of the six States originally covered by §5, with a gap in
the sixth State of less than one half of one percent.The DN opinion
states as an example that only 6.7 percent of Mississippi's eligible black
voters were allowed to cast ballots in 1965. "Allowed" makes it seem
like 100% of blacks were "eligible voters" and that 93.3 percent were
kept from the polls back then. No, the chart actually states simply that in 1965
in Mississippi only 6.7 of black citizens registered to vote. The DN states also
that "in 2004, 76.1 percent of eligible black voters participated, which was
nearly 4 percent higher than the white turnout." Actually, in 2004 76.1 of
black citizens in Mississippi registered to vote in 2004, while 72.3 percent of
white citizens in Mississippi registered to vote that year.Truly, as
the DN correctly observes, the Act has been successful and no doors are closed
by the Court's opinion today.
TWO PART COMMENT:I served as assistant city attorney in a number of
cities in Central California's Fresno County, a covered county under the
Voting Rights Act. The burdens imposed by the Act indeed are burdens; and the
improvements over the years indeed are real, thank goodness.The 7th
paragraph of the DN Opinion shortchanges the actual improvements. Referring to
the High Court's use in today's opinion of a chart compiled from the
Senate and House Reports, the DN states that the chart depicted "voter
turnout." No it did not. It depicted voter registrations.The
chart compares voter registration numbers from1965 to those from 2004 in
the six originally covered States. These are the numbers that were before
Congresswhen it reauthorized the Act in 2006. The improvement is stunning.
Re: "Voting Rights Act decision shows it's no longer 1965"Or 1865. Or 1765. As much as liberals like to suggest it is.