Published: Tuesday, June 25 2013 2:35 p.m. MDT
My first thought on Obamacare is that I have a lot of friends who hours will be
cut down to less than 30 so they don't have businesses and many government
entities won't have to provide insurance benefits. That is the reality of
many people and I don't think this is good for their personal economies...
Really? Miss out on what? The so-called Affordable Care Act is anything but
affordable. Everyone's insurance rates will skyrocket and the only
one's who make out on this are the insurance companies with their higher
premiums.This is just another example of a socialist with big ideas
that don't work.
I wish I could "miss out" on the chaos, the mandates and exploding
costs of Obamacare!
Of course. But if our lawmakers didn't have taxpayer supported health care
for them and their families -- with a promise of lifetime care if they serve for
ten years -- it would be a different story.
Yeah, all these added benefits sound good...in theory. But, all that added
administration costs money, and as the government has proven so effectively in
the past, it never runs as efficiently as initially promised. I would add that
the 4th thing to watch for is that as this program balloons and spirals out of
control, Utah will actually be better off than other states when they see their
government funding cut back (or simply cut completely.)
So far most of the comments have nothing to do with whether Utah should
participate in the expansion of medicaid. Medicaid administrative costs are only
a fraction of the administrative costs in the private insurance industry. There
is no chaos or exploding costs for those states who expand medicaid. The
reduction of employee hours will exist regardless of medicaid expansion. And
insurance rates have skyrocketed and will continue to go up regardless of
whether Utah expands medicaid. Without the expansion of medicaid those who work
less than 30 hours (like the DI workers) simply won't have access to health
A lie repeated unfortunately hurts those who are uneducated or unable to
differentiate the difference between the truth and a lie. Virtually all major
European nations have higher levels of public spending than the United States,
and all are poorer! Where the yoke of government dependency is the highest,
there is more crime, less joy, and less freedom! And yet, we have those who
will continue to promote more government control over our lives in the vain and
foolish 'hope' that government knows best, that somehow America will
be different if we just give up all our freedoms and let the government make all
our decisions, and that real 'joy' comes from letting someone else
dictate to you how to act, feel, and think! Anyone who espouses such ideas
ought to be ashamed.
Why is expanding Medicaid a positive thing? Shouldn't we be trying to
figure out ways for people to get themselves out of the safety net and back on
their feet?It seems like the author thinks the more people caught in
the net the better.
There's no free lunch. Someone will have to pay for all these subsidies.
I suppose all we have to do is get the rich to pay their fair share and all our
problems will be solved.The other option is that insurance companies
go bankrupt and democrats will finally get their wish: single payer national
"There's no free lunch. Someone will have to pay for all these
subsidies."Mark, do I have news for you.We are
already paying for those people who don't have insurance for whatever the
reasons may be. ACA will help us all by doing exactly what conservatives scream
for constantly. Does the old Tea Party battle cry of "Let them pay their
way" ring any bells?No, of course not. You've been fooled
by propaganda into believing that an idea that originally came from
conservatives is bad because this time it's from someone who is regarded as
a liberal.Ah, well . . . .
The predominant thinking in the patriarchal society here in Utah is strongly
conservative. In this case (health care) we need to change our insurance system
to accomodate everyone. Health insurance should not be optional, because as
soon as someone is sick or hurt, they get health care. So, we all must chip in
to insure everyone.In future years, Utah will accept the ObamaCare
system. We'll get used to it. We'll add it to the long list of our
socialized programs: Defense, Education, Highways, Public Lands, Law
Enforcement, Car and Driver Insurance, Legal Representation, etc. Yes, we have
many benefits provided by our taxes and shared by all citizens. It's a
great nation. And universal healthcare will be a great improvement.
To banderson: "Where the yoke of government dependency is the highest, there
is more crime, less joy, and less freedom!"A recent study
examined the wealth held by the middle class throughout the world. The U.S.
ranked 27th, most of those horrible socialistic European countries beat us. And
if you think crime rates in Western Europe are higher than ours, you are
extremely misinformed. A resident of Western Europe today has the lowest chance
of dying a violent death than any other humans in history.
The economy is turning in 2014. The program was timed just right. When is
succeeds, the tea party will disappear.
What a condescending, derisive article written by some out-of-state, liberal. Go
ahead, author, your faux-charity, shaming and mocking don't change the
truth. The truth is that the ACA is damning, controlling, limiting,
oppressive government program which grinds on all of us for its financial
support. The government takes more from us and we end up with less in terms of
real service and health care. Personal choice will eventually be abolished. Just
watch. It will be abolished. Greedy, power-hungry men and women seek public
office solely for the purpose of taking our money and enslaving us to their
'caring' programs. That's the truth. The old saying,
"the devil is in the details" is 100% applicable to the ACA.
Irresponsible congress men and women voted for its passage without even reading
it. That is shameful.
Maybe it's time for the United States to break up into some pieces. Utah
would join the very enlightened south, e.g. Texas, Alabama, Mississippi. Utah
is still a hick backward theocracy.
Stuff, let me respond to your comment about choice. Much of our lives is beyond
our "choice". Indeed, who our parents are, where we are raised, what
our genetics are, and what we believe is essentially determined for us.Even our politics, which you most clearly express.But this
healthcare program is not so much about YOU choosing as it is about giving all
Americans a choice. Many do not have a choice...many simply don't have
health insurance. And many don't care, as long as they have theirs. But in America, fortunately, there is a strong sense of caring for our
fellowpersons.That is what this is all about.
Evidently there are some, usually the socialists, that haven't visited the
inner city of New York, Chicago, L.A., or Detroit. Haven't seen a lot of
joy in those areas despite the fact that those areas have the highest dependency
rate, unwed mothers, abortion, and crime are rampant. so much for the socialist
Touting the good half of the ACA, non deniability, portability, extending
coverage to college students age 26, etc is fine. Why not talk about the bad
half also, it is not universal coverage, it creates long waiting times for those
on Medicare and even longer for Medicaid, costing 3 times what the president
said the ACA is not affordable, not enough primary care providers, etc.? The
lower half of society pays little taxes, the highest part has many options and
it is the middle class that will carry an increased burden.
"states that accept generous federal funding"That so-called
generous federal funding is NOT a long term hand out to states. This is only a
temporary funding measure and then the states themselves will have to come up
with the money to run their exchanges. The fed's do NOT keep the gravy
train rolling for ever. So - where does UTAH come up with that money once the
fed's hand out stops? Recall the federal govt is already 17 trillion in
debt so I am sorry to say that the money tree that liberals (like the writer of
this article) like to pick from is nothing but a mirage soon to disappear. Yes
sir - free money for all - the slogan for socialism and all is well until you
run out of other peoples money. By the way - the ugliness of
Obamacare has already started with business's and school districts now
REQUIRED to offer health care. Recall that it doesn't matter whether you
elect to enroll in the health care plan - the school district for example still
has to go to the state legislature and get the money which translates to less
full time employees.
@MarxistThis article is about health care and insightful responses are
useful. Why the DN censors allow your off topic and blathering comments remains
a mystery. A colleague recently remarked that the most futile job search in the
world was for a Marxist economist.
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