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Published: Tuesday, June 25 2013 2:35 p.m. MDT

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Howard Beal
Provo, UT

My first thought on Obamacare is that I have a lot of friends who hours will be cut down to less than 30 so they don't have businesses and many government entities won't have to provide insurance benefits. That is the reality of many people and I don't think this is good for their personal economies...

Mainly Me
Werribee, 00

Really? Miss out on what? The so-called Affordable Care Act is anything but affordable. Everyone's insurance rates will skyrocket and the only one's who make out on this are the insurance companies with their higher premiums.

This is just another example of a socialist with big ideas that don't work.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

I wish I could "miss out" on the chaos, the mandates and exploding costs of Obamacare!

one old man
Ogden, UT

Of course. But if our lawmakers didn't have taxpayer supported health care for them and their families -- with a promise of lifetime care if they serve for ten years -- it would be a different story.

Shawnm750
West Jordan, UT

Yeah, all these added benefits sound good...in theory. But, all that added administration costs money, and as the government has proven so effectively in the past, it never runs as efficiently as initially promised. I would add that the 4th thing to watch for is that as this program balloons and spirals out of control, Utah will actually be better off than other states when they see their government funding cut back (or simply cut completely.)

dalefarr
South Jordan, Utah

So far most of the comments have nothing to do with whether Utah should participate in the expansion of medicaid. Medicaid administrative costs are only a fraction of the administrative costs in the private insurance industry. There is no chaos or exploding costs for those states who expand medicaid. The reduction of employee hours will exist regardless of medicaid expansion. And insurance rates have skyrocketed and will continue to go up regardless of whether Utah expands medicaid. Without the expansion of medicaid those who work less than 30 hours (like the DI workers) simply won't have access to health care.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

A lie repeated unfortunately hurts those who are uneducated or unable to differentiate the difference between the truth and a lie. Virtually all major European nations have higher levels of public spending than the United States, and all are poorer! Where the yoke of government dependency is the highest, there is more crime, less joy, and less freedom! And yet, we have those who will continue to promote more government control over our lives in the vain and foolish 'hope' that government knows best, that somehow America will be different if we just give up all our freedoms and let the government make all our decisions, and that real 'joy' comes from letting someone else dictate to you how to act, feel, and think! Anyone who espouses such ideas ought to be ashamed.

John20000
Cedar Hills, UT

Why is expanding Medicaid a positive thing? Shouldn't we be trying to figure out ways for people to get themselves out of the safety net and back on their feet?

It seems like the author thinks the more people caught in the net the better.

Mark l
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

There's no free lunch. Someone will have to pay for all these subsidies. I suppose all we have to do is get the rich to pay their fair share and all our problems will be solved.

The other option is that insurance companies go bankrupt and democrats will finally get their wish: single payer national health care.

one old man
Ogden, UT

"There's no free lunch. Someone will have to pay for all these subsidies."

Mark, do I have news for you.

We are already paying for those people who don't have insurance for whatever the reasons may be. ACA will help us all by doing exactly what conservatives scream for constantly. Does the old Tea Party battle cry of "Let them pay their way" ring any bells?

No, of course not. You've been fooled by propaganda into believing that an idea that originally came from conservatives is bad because this time it's from someone who is regarded as a liberal.

Ah, well . . . .

patriot vet
Cedar City, UT

The predominant thinking in the patriarchal society here in Utah is strongly conservative. In this case (health care) we need to change our insurance system to accomodate everyone. Health insurance should not be optional, because as soon as someone is sick or hurt, they get health care. So, we all must chip in to insure everyone.

In future years, Utah will accept the ObamaCare system. We'll get used to it. We'll add it to the long list of our socialized programs: Defense, Education, Highways, Public Lands, Law Enforcement, Car and Driver Insurance, Legal Representation, etc. Yes, we have many benefits provided by our taxes and shared by all citizens. It's a great nation. And universal healthcare will be a great improvement.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

To banderson: "Where the yoke of government dependency is the highest, there is more crime, less joy, and less freedom!"

A recent study examined the wealth held by the middle class throughout the world. The U.S. ranked 27th, most of those horrible socialistic European countries beat us. And if you think crime rates in Western Europe are higher than ours, you are extremely misinformed. A resident of Western Europe today has the lowest chance of dying a violent death than any other humans in history.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

The economy is turning in 2014. The program was timed just right. When is succeeds, the tea party will disappear.

stuff
Provo, UT

What a condescending, derisive article written by some out-of-state, liberal. Go ahead, author, your faux-charity, shaming and mocking don't change the truth.

The truth is that the ACA is damning, controlling, limiting, oppressive government program which grinds on all of us for its financial support. The government takes more from us and we end up with less in terms of real service and health care. Personal choice will eventually be abolished. Just watch. It will be abolished. Greedy, power-hungry men and women seek public office solely for the purpose of taking our money and enslaving us to their 'caring' programs. That's the truth.

The old saying, "the devil is in the details" is 100% applicable to the ACA. Irresponsible congress men and women voted for its passage without even reading it. That is shameful.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

Maybe it's time for the United States to break up into some pieces. Utah would join the very enlightened south, e.g. Texas, Alabama, Mississippi. Utah is still a hick backward theocracy.

patriot vet
Cedar City, UT

Stuff, let me respond to your comment about choice. Much of our lives is beyond our "choice". Indeed, who our parents are, where we are raised, what our genetics are, and what we believe is essentially determined for us.

Even our politics, which you most clearly express.

But this healthcare program is not so much about YOU choosing as it is about giving all Americans a choice. Many do not have a choice...many simply don't have health insurance. And many don't care, as long as they have theirs.

But in America, fortunately, there is a strong sense of caring for our fellowpersons.That is what this is all about.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

Evidently there are some, usually the socialists, that haven't visited the inner city of New York, Chicago, L.A., or Detroit. Haven't seen a lot of joy in those areas despite the fact that those areas have the highest dependency rate, unwed mothers, abortion, and crime are rampant. so much for the socialist utopia.

Hemlock
Salt Lake City, UT

Touting the good half of the ACA, non deniability, portability, extending coverage to college students age 26, etc is fine. Why not talk about the bad half also, it is not universal coverage, it creates long waiting times for those on Medicare and even longer for Medicaid, costing 3 times what the president said the ACA is not affordable, not enough primary care providers, etc.? The lower half of society pays little taxes, the highest part has many options and it is the middle class that will carry an increased burden.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

"states that accept generous federal funding"

That so-called generous federal funding is NOT a long term hand out to states. This is only a temporary funding measure and then the states themselves will have to come up with the money to run their exchanges. The fed's do NOT keep the gravy train rolling for ever. So - where does UTAH come up with that money once the fed's hand out stops? Recall the federal govt is already 17 trillion in debt so I am sorry to say that the money tree that liberals (like the writer of this article) like to pick from is nothing but a mirage soon to disappear. Yes sir - free money for all - the slogan for socialism and all is well until you run out of other peoples money.

By the way - the ugliness of Obamacare has already started with business's and school districts now REQUIRED to offer health care. Recall that it doesn't matter whether you elect to enroll in the health care plan - the school district for example still has to go to the state legislature and get the money which translates to less full time employees.

casual observer
Salt Lake City, UT

@Marxist
This article is about health care and insightful responses are useful. Why the DN censors allow your off topic and blathering comments remains a mystery. A colleague recently remarked that the most futile job search in the world was for a Marxist economist.

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