Published: Tuesday, June 25 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
What I see here, MOST LIKELY, would have been a routine "confrontation"
between two people, EXCEPT that one had a gun.Had Martin had the gun
instead of Zimmerman, the tables most likely would have been turned.Yes, guns can protect people and often do. But, had there been no gun, we may
have had a fistfight, but no one in the morgue.Does anyone think
that if Zimmerman was a trained, uniformed police officer that this would be an
This case is nothing more than political correctness run amuck. Has anyone seen
the photos of Zimmerman's face? You know, the one taken by the police that
shows him all bloodied up? As a former cop, I was justified in using deadly
force against an unarmed suspect if I was in danger of being overpowered and if
I was in danger of death or serious bodily injury. If Zimmerman was being
overpowered by Martin, as is evidenced by the photos, then according to Florida
law he was justified in using deadly force.If a cop can shoot in
these circumstances, then why not a civilian?
"If a cop can shoot in these circumstances, then why not a civilian?"Who do you believe felt more threatened? Martin was minding his own
business, walking down the street talking on his cell phone. He was doing
nothing wrong.He was then followed by someone he didn't know
who initiated contact.We do not know how it got physical, and that
is a key issue, but Zimmerman was obviously the one who pursued Martin and
initiated the confrontation.So, if I pick a fight with someone who
gets the better of me, I can then shoot them?
@Mainly Me --"If a cop can shoot in these circumstances, then
why not a civilian?"A cop wouldn't have been in those
circumstances. That's what police training is for.Zimmerman is
just a cop-wannabe who saw an opportunity to make himself into a hero.If Martin had had the gun instead of Zimmerman, there wouldn't have been
an altercation in the first place. Martin had absolutely zero interest in
Zimmerman. Martin was on his way home, minding his own business, until Zimmerman
"This case is nothing more than political correctness run amuck. Has anyone
seen the photos of Zimmerman's face? You know, the one taken by the police
that shows him all bloodied up?"What was Zimmerman even doing so
close to Martin in the first place? Martin wasn't doing anything other than
minding his own business. You can't stalk someone, get all up
in their face, start a fight with them, get your rear handed to you, and then
kill them with a gun, and then claim self defense. That's not
how it works. I doubt the prosecution has enough for murder... But
I'm pretty confident we will get Zimmerman for manslaughter. And thank
goodness too. That poor boy should be alive today.
It's hard to claim stand your ground when you initiated the hostility in
the first place.This whole tragedy could have been avoided if he had
simly listened to the dispatcher and not persued.A 17 year old kid
who was minding his own business sees a guy with a gun in a confrontational
mood. Fight or flight kicks in. He chose fight.The only self
defense was the kid who ended up dead. Not the man who initiated and escalated
It was not illegal for Zimmerman to watch/follow him. He had every right to do
so against someone that looked suspicious. It turns out that suspicious person
as a known drug abuser and had been kicked out of school for drugs.I
too would be worried about drug users walking around my neighborhood.Treyvon attacked him instead of just walking home, as there was plenty of time
to do.Zimmerman protected himself appropriately after Treyvon jumped
on him and attacked him.
This would never have been filed if it hadn't been so politicized. No way
to prove Zimmerman did a thing wrong beyond a reasonable doubt.This
is the state where a jury found reasonable doubt in a slam dunk case against
@Chris BSo if someone is following you as you walk home from a store that
wouldn't make you suspicious or nervous at all? What if someone confronted
you, while you were walking home, doing nothing illegal, that wouldn't make
you nervous either? If someone was following you, confronted you, then left,
then came back holding a gun wouldn't that make you really nervous? I know
I would be scared, on edge and it would be very possible i'd go after them
to try and get away.
@Noodle,If I thought someone with a gun was following me and I had
ample time to go to my house and lock the door, that is what I would do.
Additionally, if I had a cell phone(as this known drug user did) I would have
called the police. Instead, he hid in a dark corner and
waited(instead of going home and/or calling police) and jumped and attacked
Zimmerman.I applaud Zimmerman for looking out for his community. It
is sad he lost his life, but anytime a known drug user is off the streets, its
not entirely a bad thing.
@Chris B --"He had every right to do so against someone that
looked suspicious.""Looked suspicious"??The
only thing that "looked suspicious" about Martin is that he was Walking
While Black."I too would be worried about drug users walking
around my neighborhood."Zimmerman had no idea of Martin's
background. And marijuana usage is not given the death penalty. This wasn't
even crack or heroine -- just pot.And incidentally -- pot makes
people LESS aggressive, not more. ;-)Also, according to the
coroner's report, his blood level of pot was "so low as to almost
certainly not be connected to recent intoxication." -- despite
Zimmerman's claim that Martin was on drugs at the time of their
encounter."Treyvon attacked him instead of just walking
home"Trayvon was stalked by a man with a gun. He was most
certainly not the instigator here. Zimmerman was known to be a
racist bully who "was fired for calling HR hotline so many times...he would
complain about each and every manager and employee". He chronically called
police to report ridiculous things like open garage doors.Zimmerman
was out looking for trouble -- and when he couldn't find any, he created it
@Christopher B"but anytime a known drug user is off the
streets"So smoking weed should be an automatic death sentence?
What about those abusing prescription drugs? I think you just condemned the
majority of the US to death.
What did Zimmerman do when he thought something was wrong?Called
policeWhat did Treyvon do IF he thought something was wrong?Hid and waited to attack.Treyvon had a cell phone with
him.He easily could have called police.He did notInteresting.He easily could have gone home after first
noticing Zimmerman.He did notInterestingHe
chose to attack him instead.I applaud Zimmerman for looking out for
his community, calling police when seeing someone suspicious(turns out intuition
was correct, known drug user), and for protecting himself appropriately when
attacked.Its sad Treyvon chose not to call policeIts sad
Treyvon chose to wait and attack Zimmerman instead of going home, and again
calling police.Zimmerman did the right thing.Treyvon did
@ChrisAdditionally, if I had a cell phone(as this known drug user
did) I would have called the police...It is sad he lost his life, but anytime a
known drug user is off the streets, its not entirely a bad thing. =================Wow...just wow. The kid used
marijuana. I bet, that there are more kids his age that have at least tried
marijuana than have not. Even if it were otherwise, marijuana use does not
deserve a death penalty.You also sound as if Zimmerman was fully
aware of this kids history. What you are proposing is similar to the government
coming to yuor home without cause, going through your stuff finding an article
of contraband and saying "Good thing we checked"Justification after the fact just doesn't work.
1. Antagonize a kid.2. Kid thinks he has to defend himself and does so.3. Shoot the kid in order to defend yourself from kid you antagonized. Does it seem smart to give anyone the ability to get in a hostile
confrontation with someone and then as soon as the person reacts back give both
people the right to kill the other in self-defense based on stand your ground?
@Chris --"What did Treyvon do IF he thought something was
wrong?Hid and waited to attack."Your attempted
rewrite of history is really amazing.In reality, Trayvon was
apparently ON the phone at the time of the attack.The person who was
on the phone with him has submitted written testimony that Trayvon called out
"why are you following me?" just before there was the sound of a crash,
and the line went dead.Trayvon didn't have TIME to call police,
much less have time to hide as you have claimed."I applaud
Zimmerman for looking out for his community, calling police when seeing someone
suspicious(turns out intuition was correct, known drug user), and for protecting
himself appropriately when attacked."A pot smoker is not a
danger to society, Chris, no matter how much hysteria you might try to spread.
Smoking pot only makes you a danger to potato chips -- not to a neighborhood
watch.And also notice that, though Zimmerman did call police, he
then proceeded to ignore what they told him. He was specifically told that the
police did NOT want him to follow Martin -- but he did anyway.
I hope we're not going to attempt to try this case in comments to the
opinion section of a Utah news paper. We get all together too much of that
judge and jury in the Opinion section as it is.Fact is... none of us
know what was going on in either man's mind, or every detail and motivation
leading up to what ultimately happened (in any objective detail). We only know
what the News has released, and that is usually presented in as salacious a
manner as possible (to sells papers).We don't need to judge him
here in the Opinion section. Let's let the jury do that. We
don't have all the evidence, but we obviously have PLENTY of prejudice (one
side or the other). Let's wait and see what the court decides.
That's all that matters anyway isn't it? I mean we are still a
country based on the "rule of law" (not a country ruled by mobs stoked
up on racial tension a case like this will provide).
amzonte,Yes Treyvon was ON(good job on emphasis, although your point
falls flat) the phone. Meaning it was more than accessible to call the
police.Or are you suggesting that since he was talking to someone
else it would have been impossible to end that conversation and call police?He could have been ON the line with police in seconds. He
chose not to. It may have taken 10 seconds.Again,
treyvon chose NOT to call police. Zimmerman did the right thing and did "He was specifically told that the police did NOT want him to
follow Martin -- but he did anyway."IN typical liberal fashion
we have statements that are at best disingenuous, falsehoods more likely.The exact words from the dispatcher were when asked if he was following
this kid were "We don't need you to do that"Far cry
from "specifically told NOT to follow" which again is a lie.Zimmerman was simply told he didn't NEED to.NEVER was he told
DONT.It was his legal RIGHT to followHis legal RIGHT to
CARRYAnd his legal RIGHT to PROTECTGood job Zimmerman!
Way to protect yourself!
I really don't see how this had to turn into a confrontation. A better
scenario would have been:[SCENE 1]*We see George Zimmerman on
neighborhood watch in the cab of his vehicle, when he sees an unfamiliar figure
wandering down the street. According to neighborhood watch procedure, he calls
the police. Not assured by the response he's gotten from the police
dispatch, Zimmerman decides to take the law into his own hands...*Zimmerman: Excuse me, I'm [name] with the neighborhood watch. Do you
live around here?Martin: My dad's house is right down there.
Why are you following me?Zimmerman: There have been reports of
prowlers in the area, and I just want to make sure you get home safe. Can I
offer you a ride?Martin: No, I'd rather walk.Zimmerman: Have a good evening.Martin: Thanks.*Zimmerman makes a note of the time, location, and description of the young
man he met.*[END SCENE]So, what went wrong?
Zimmerman will go to prison because of a lack of common sense on his part. Those
who defend him do so only because they worship at the alter of The Gun. Anyone
who defends his actions show they do not have enough common sense to carry a
gun. He was in no danger, he initiated the confrontation. And the only one who
is saying the kid attacked him is Zimmerman. We can't ask the kid because
he is dead.
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