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Published: Monday, June 24 2013 4:59 p.m. MDT

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Christopher B
Ogden, UT

Another sad example of why the BSA recently ruled as they did in regards to leaders.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

A dearth of information in this press release. For instance, when were these alleged incidences supposed to have taken place... and under what circumstances? Also, for what reasons are these alleged victims hiding their identity? None of that was explained at all.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

I can't figure why the BSA won't allow gay leaders.

im4kids
AUSTIN, TX

Gay or straight - good men (or women) will not allow these things to happen. Unfortunately even with the BSA precautions bad things do happen. 41 years ago? Go to counseling, build a bridge, get over it. I hope these men can come to grips with what happened, confront the actual perps and start building a healthy life for themselves.

OnlyInUtah
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Why didn't they bring this up until now? I hope the courts see it as the money grab it is. It's difficult to believe these men haven't come to grips with it in 41 years. I'm not saying it wouldn't be traumatic but 41 years? Give me a break.

AZ Blue & Red
Gilbert, AZ

If true this is sad and the offenders should be prosecuted if possible. But this was so long ago that to me it looks more like a way to make some money. Find the old leaders and deal with them. But I question the law suit this many years later. Sounds like lawyers in need of a paycheck.

Hank
Saint George, UT

Story makes much more sense now that more info has been revealed and the original story made longer.

Richard Larson
Galt, CA

christopher b.
Yeah, that is EXACTLY why.
Despite countless studies and
overwhelming evidence to the contrary....

trekker
Salt Lake, UT

Assuming they are telling the truth about abuse, no amount of money will make that experience go away. In my opinion, they should only get enough to cover therapy. Honestly after so long how can they win? there is no evidence only his word verses another. Shouldn't the statute of limitations kicked in by now. If they needed help they should have brought it up much sooner not decades later. At this point they just want money let get rich by suing organizations. I know the LDS Church will pay for or get you counseling if you ask. so its obvious it not about getting help.

bdckpakccd
Plano, TX

I echo the "moneygrab" sentiment. Not naming the perpetrators, but suing the organizations, says, "We're after the deep pocket." No one is saying the abuse didn't happen, but after this length of time, this isn't about recovery the way they are going about it.

Mainly Me
Werribee, 00

@im4kids

"Go to counseling, build a bridge, get over it."

Have you ever been raped? Or sexually abused?

I'm a male survivor of rape and molestation from 50 years ago and you don't just get over it. My abusers were one male and two females. This type of abuse changes you permanently. No amount of counseling or happy happy, joy joy thoughts will ever change what happened to me. I'm over most of it, but I'm forever changed. I ask myself, "What would I be like now if I had never been raped?"

I still have problems and the occasional nightmare. I don't trust people and I have social phobia. To say your comment is a bit insensitive would be the classic British understatement.

Common-Tator
Saint Paul, MN

Would that we could find perfect leaders in every instance for BSA, and all other institutions. If / when such incidents do happen, however (and once proven to be such in the only court system in the world in which one might be fairly judged), those involved must be held fully accountable.

But that relies on an awfully big "might".

BroJoseph
Ogden, UT

Can any amount of passed time relinquish the scope of punishment and renumeration? Abuse and anquish suggests otherwise

EdGrady
Idaho Falls, ID

Just curious - why wasn't the Elks Club in Lewiston included in the lawsuit?

The Rock
Federal Way, WA

How can the LDS church or the Boy Scouts possibly defend themselves against these allegations? The perps are probably dead after so many years. There is certainly no physical evidence, unless there are "identifying markings" on the perps.

This will become a case of the word of the alleged victims against that of the two organizations.

I also fail to understand why our court system insists on holding people and organizations responsible for things that other people did. Organizations can only do so much. They can screen leaders and youth. They can institute a buddy system. There is not way to prevent people from making false accusations.

If I were the judge I would through the case out after so many decades. If the witnesses are dead you cannot discover the truth.

Fullypresent
Salt Lake City, UT

Sad part is there are still some people that cover it up or deal with it only in the Church to protect leaders or people well connected so they won't be prosecuted. It is a copout to say they have just learned a lot the past few years about dealing with it. They did not want to deal with it until they were forced to deal with it from lawsuits. Even then it has taken many for them to get the message that protecting kids is more important than protecting adults.

hubbardesquire
Alabaster, Alabama

Sounds like to me that this case will be summarily dismissed. I hope the defendants file a motion for sanctions. It will be a piece of cake to get the sanctions imposed upon these plaintiff lawyers.

Tom in CA
Vallejo, CA

The LDS Church does not "turn a blind eye", and has absolutely ZERO tolerance in these types of matters. I believe it will be extremely difficult to implicate, or prove The Mormon Church was negligent. As to the individual scout leaders, that may be a different story.

The plaintiff's attorneys are going for deep pockets. Will be interesting to follow this one.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Folks... I agree it sounds like a money grab, but like in the Penn State case, there may be circumstances here we don't have right now. We don't know how far up the authority chain knowledge of these events went, and what actions were not taken back then, that should have.

At this point, I am willing to give all the parties on both sides the benefit of the doubt.

That said, stuff like this is exactly why I try to avoid working with you any more. How do you defend yourself against claims like these some 20, 30 or 40 years later. You can't.

wwookie
Payson, UT

Two points...

1) the fact this happened years ago doesn't excuse a crime. Don't judge these men, that is the reason there is due process.

2) it seems irresponsible for these men to go after the BSA and LDS church and not the perpetrators. The only case that seems valid is where the man claims the church leadership called a previously known pedophile to be scout master. But even then, the "church leader" was a volunteer and wasn't professional clergy.

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