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Published: Saturday, June 22 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

With California's cutting off of coal-fired power contracts by 2025, the coal in the monument is rapidly losing its value anyway. Can you imagine if extractors had been allowed to rip this up only for a couple of decades only for it to have shut down as demand dropped? Who would have paid for the reclamation of the land had those extraction companies gone bankrupt?

I always think about those uranium companies that went bankrupt near Moab, and good ol' Uncle Sam and U.S. taxpayers had to clean up their mess when the uranium market went bust.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

Its amazing how many people in Utah bellyache about the wild lands in Utah being "locked up" by the federal government. Yet when ever I talk to out of state friends or family the first thing they mention is their trip to Zion National Park, or pictures they have seen of Bryce or Canyonlands. It is time for Utah to out grow this "gold rush" mentality and get on with the task of developing our intellectual capital. We need to look to countries like Germany and Japan for our future, and not extraction economies like South Africa and Saudi Arabia.

KDave
Moab, UT

Designating it a National Monument did not create anything that was not already there.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Isn't it nice that people from other States dictate to Utahns that we must preserve our State for their enjoyment while they restrict us from even taking fruit into their State when we visit them while on vacation? Where are their national parks? Why are their beaches, their mountains, their lakes and their valleys not protected? Why can't we travel I-5 and see California like it was before crass commercialization turned it into the nation's food supplier?

10CC
Bountiful, UT

Ultimately, the struggle about Utah lands comes down to ego. Steve Roberts and many others find economic opportunities where the historic local powers, like Mike Noel, see infringement upon their personal agendas.

I'd imagine news of Utah citizens like Steve Roberts finding economic success from tourism makes people like Mike Noel boiling mad, because it undermines their position that Utahns - or more specifically the local powers and historic favored families - should be the beneficiaries of the land by whatever means *they* decide is proper.

It would be exactly the same thing if all the federal land were given to Utah and then the Utah State Legislature (somehow) decided to protect huge tracts for their scenic value, promoted tourism, etc.

It's Mike Noel's land, not ours.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Mike, virtually ALL the things you cite are reasons why we NEED to protect our Federal lands in Utah. It was not the Feds in other states that set those limits you decry in place. It was -- guess who -- the state legislatures!

So why do you want to turn Utah into another California?

FreedomFighter41
Orem, UT

"Why can't we travel I-5 and see California like it was before crass commercialization turned it into the nation's food supplier?"

Whether you know it or not, you just made the best case for creating these monuments one could ever make.

So thanks Mike!

Do we really want corrupt businesses to tear up and destroy our beautiful state? Don't we all enjoy having access to these lands? Don't we like to be able to go hiking, fishing, camping, etc without being impeded by gigantic farms, mines, oil drills, and, as Mike Richards stated, "Crass Commercialization?"

Keep the federal land out of the hands of our corrupt legislators and greedy businessmen.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Yes...

By all means!

Lets turn the possession of our lands over to the likes of John Swallow and Jeremy Johnson. They'll for sure take care of our land!

Just like the Uranium tailing in Moab that taxpayers were left footing the bill for after the company went out of business?

Time for some of you to get informed and stop just playing ideological games.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

It's a weekend, so any comments must be pro-Sierra Club. No dissension is allowed. Nobody can state the obvious, which is that those who demand access to OUR State's virgin land are those who have spoiled THEIR State. They are those whose salaries allow them to travel, to explore, and to become "one with nature" while we, who live here, are expected to pay our debts with their "gratitude".

How did they earn those salaries? Is it possible that they use electricity generated by coal? Is it possible that they travel on roads that use cement or coal based tar? Is it possible that they fly on airplanes that use fuel that was pumped out of the ground?

Who made them special? Who gave them the right to use electricity, fly on airplanes or drive on highways and then tell us that any commerce that might "spoil" their vacation is wrong?

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It is of interest that all businessmen don’t share the ego trip that they did it all by themselves.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

The point here is not tourism or the monument, but the misuse of Federal power under the guise of the Antiquities Act. Clinton didn't even dare set foot in Utah for the signing, which speaks volumes. I believe the Act is unconstitutional as used in the last 20 years because it assumes powers not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Liberal Larry,
the letter was talking about Escalante, not Canyonlands, Zions, or Bryce.

Liberals are always screaming about how we underfund education - slick willy locked up a lot of revenue sources for our schools when he waved his pen and created the monument - the day after he LIED to our congressional delegation and said he was not going to do so. I don't have so much trouble with the monument as in the way the liar slick willy did it. oh well, what do we expect from a dem?

Maybe we should charge a school surcharge to everyone who visits the author's business since he is benefiting at our children's expense.

Shaun
Sandy, UT

@mike richards. All of California's beaches are public. It is in their state constitution, but that doesn't mean people who live along the beach do not try to prevent public access and misinform people about their right to be on the beach.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Land is only "locked up" to people who refuse to lace up some boots and go for a walk.
If the State were to take federal land, that is when we would really set it become "locked up".

HaHaHaHa
Othello, WA

As usual Mike is exactly right on, and the big government leftist worshippers don't have a clue! Letter writer is all proud that big brother, (not the FREE market) stepped in and decided who is going to be in business....or not. The biggest problem with this country is that there are to many persons, who can only see half the equation. I think that it is a great idea to charge a "surcharge" to all the mindless patrons at the authors business.

Res Novae
Ashburn, VA

@Mike Richards,

"It's a weekend, so any comments must be pro-Sierra Club."

I'm not a member of the Sierra Club, but I imagine that many of them were, like me, enjoying the outdoors instead of surfing through the DN letters section. I fail to see the logic of your assertion.

"Nobody can state the obvious, which is that those who demand access to OUR State's virgin land are those who have spoiled THEIR State."

Who is "demanding" access to Utah's land? The letter and many comments are simply pointing out that Utah's greatest treasures lie on the surface, not beneath the ground. I agree with that sentiment.

Since your ire is particularly aimed at Californians, I note that they have 32 national parks in their state. You are welcome to visit there.

Here in Virginia, we have 30 national parks. I spent Friday night camping in one with my family. It is an oasis of peace against encroaching development (our General Assembly apparently views development as Virginia's best 'natural' resource). Cars were there from up and down the eastern seaboard, filled with people who value Virginia's rich natural and historical heritage.

Steve C. Warren
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Great letter, Steve.

Many of the greatest national parks/monuments were at first strongly opposed locally, then later embraced.

Mister J
Salt Lake City, UT

re: one old man

"So why do you want to turn Utah into another California?"

Because alot of people already have a Disneyland state of mind & it would cut down on travel???

Seriously(?), I'm confused. According to the title of the article, it means the Federal Govt creates jobs.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Yes, Mr. J the Federal government does create jobs.

But don't tell the conservatives. It'll blow their little minds.

Utahhikerdad
TOOELE, UT

Some things are worth saving for their intrinsic value, not their extrinsic, monetary value -- a value that benefits very few for a very short time. We are blessed with many places intrinsically worth saving in Utah. We Utahns and our political leaders have shown little inclination to long-term thinking and every inclination to short-term gain. I, for one, am grateful for every square inch of land that has been spared, and will be spared, from development, and will remain forever wild.

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