With California's cutting off of coal-fired power contracts by 2025, the
coal in the monument is rapidly losing its value anyway. Can you imagine if
extractors had been allowed to rip this up only for a couple of decades only for
it to have shut down as demand dropped? Who would have paid for the reclamation
of the land had those extraction companies gone bankrupt? I always
think about those uranium companies that went bankrupt near Moab, and good
ol' Uncle Sam and U.S. taxpayers had to clean up their mess when the
uranium market went bust.
Its amazing how many people in Utah bellyache about the wild lands in Utah being
"locked up" by the federal government. Yet when ever I talk to out of
state friends or family the first thing they mention is their trip to Zion
National Park, or pictures they have seen of Bryce or Canyonlands. It is time
for Utah to out grow this "gold rush" mentality and get on with the task
of developing our intellectual capital. We need to look to countries like
Germany and Japan for our future, and not extraction economies like South Africa
and Saudi Arabia.
Designating it a National Monument did not create anything that was not already
Isn't it nice that people from other States dictate to Utahns that we must
preserve our State for their enjoyment while they restrict us from even taking
fruit into their State when we visit them while on vacation? Where are their
national parks? Why are their beaches, their mountains, their lakes and their
valleys not protected? Why can't we travel I-5 and see California like it
was before crass commercialization turned it into the nation's food
Ultimately, the struggle about Utah lands comes down to ego. Steve Roberts and
many others find economic opportunities where the historic local powers, like
Mike Noel, see infringement upon their personal agendas.I'd
imagine news of Utah citizens like Steve Roberts finding economic success from
tourism makes people like Mike Noel boiling mad, because it undermines their
position that Utahns - or more specifically the local powers and historic
favored families - should be the beneficiaries of the land by whatever means
*they* decide is proper. It would be exactly the same thing if all
the federal land were given to Utah and then the Utah State Legislature
(somehow) decided to protect huge tracts for their scenic value, promoted
tourism, etc.It's Mike Noel's land, not ours.
Mike, virtually ALL the things you cite are reasons why we NEED to protect our
Federal lands in Utah. It was not the Feds in other states that set those
limits you decry in place. It was -- guess who -- the state legislatures!So why do you want to turn Utah into another California?
"Why can't we travel I-5 and see California like it was before crass
commercialization turned it into the nation's food supplier?"Whether you know it or not, you just made the best case for creating these
monuments one could ever make. So thanks Mike!Do we
really want corrupt businesses to tear up and destroy our beautiful state?
Don't we all enjoy having access to these lands? Don't we like to be
able to go hiking, fishing, camping, etc without being impeded by gigantic
farms, mines, oil drills, and, as Mike Richards stated, "Crass
Commercialization?" Keep the federal land out of the hands of
our corrupt legislators and greedy businessmen.
Yes...By all means!Lets turn the possession of our lands
over to the likes of John Swallow and Jeremy Johnson. They'll for sure take
care of our land!Just like the Uranium tailing in Moab that
taxpayers were left footing the bill for after the company went out of
business?Time for some of you to get informed and stop just playing
It's a weekend, so any comments must be pro-Sierra Club. No dissension is
allowed. Nobody can state the obvious, which is that those who demand access to
OUR State's virgin land are those who have spoiled THEIR State. They are
those whose salaries allow them to travel, to explore, and to become "one
with nature" while we, who live here, are expected to pay our debts with
their "gratitude".How did they earn those salaries? Is it
possible that they use electricity generated by coal? Is it possible that they
travel on roads that use cement or coal based tar? Is it possible that they fly
on airplanes that use fuel that was pumped out of the ground? Who
made them special? Who gave them the right to use electricity, fly on airplanes
or drive on highways and then tell us that any commerce that might
"spoil" their vacation is wrong?
It is of interest that all businessmen don’t share the ego trip that they
did it all by themselves.
The point here is not tourism or the monument, but the misuse of Federal power
under the guise of the Antiquities Act. Clinton didn't even dare set foot
in Utah for the signing, which speaks volumes. I believe the Act is
unconstitutional as used in the last 20 years because it assumes powers not
specifically enumerated in the Constitution.
Liberal Larry, the letter was talking about Escalante, not Canyonlands,
Zions, or Bryce.Liberals are always screaming about how we underfund
education - slick willy locked up a lot of revenue sources for our schools when
he waved his pen and created the monument - the day after he LIED to our
congressional delegation and said he was not going to do so. I don't have
so much trouble with the monument as in the way the liar slick willy did it. oh
well, what do we expect from a dem?Maybe we should charge a school
surcharge to everyone who visits the author's business since he is
benefiting at our children's expense.
@mike richards. All of California's beaches are public. It is in their
state constitution, but that doesn't mean people who live along the beach
do not try to prevent public access and misinform people about their right to be
on the beach.
Land is only "locked up" to people who refuse to lace up some boots and
go for a walk.If the State were to take federal land, that is when we
would really set it become "locked up".
As usual Mike is exactly right on, and the big government leftist worshippers
don't have a clue! Letter writer is all proud that big brother, (not the
FREE market) stepped in and decided who is going to be in business....or not.
The biggest problem with this country is that there are to many persons, who can
only see half the equation. I think that it is a great idea to charge a
"surcharge" to all the mindless patrons at the authors business.
@Mike Richards,"It's a weekend, so any comments must be
pro-Sierra Club."I'm not a member of the Sierra Club, but I
imagine that many of them were, like me, enjoying the outdoors instead of
surfing through the DN letters section. I fail to see the logic of your
assertion."Nobody can state the obvious, which is that those who
demand access to OUR State's virgin land are those who have spoiled THEIR
State." Who is "demanding" access to Utah's land?
The letter and many comments are simply pointing out that Utah's greatest
treasures lie on the surface, not beneath the ground. I agree with that
sentiment. Since your ire is particularly aimed at Californians, I
note that they have 32 national parks in their state. You are welcome to visit
there.Here in Virginia, we have 30 national parks. I spent Friday
night camping in one with my family. It is an oasis of peace against
encroaching development (our General Assembly apparently views development as
Virginia's best 'natural' resource). Cars were there from up and
down the eastern seaboard, filled with people who value Virginia's rich
natural and historical heritage.
Great letter, Steve.Many of the greatest national parks/monuments
were at first strongly opposed locally, then later embraced.
re: one old man"So why do you want to turn Utah into another
California?"Because alot of people already have a Disneyland
state of mind & it would cut down on travel???Seriously(?),
I'm confused. According to the title of the article, it means the Federal
Govt creates jobs.
Yes, Mr. J the Federal government does create jobs.But don't
tell the conservatives. It'll blow their little minds.
Some things are worth saving for their intrinsic value, not their extrinsic,
monetary value -- a value that benefits very few for a very short time. We are
blessed with many places intrinsically worth saving in Utah. We Utahns and our
political leaders have shown little inclination to long-term thinking and every
inclination to short-term gain. I, for one, am grateful for every square inch
of land that has been spared, and will be spared, from development, and will
remain forever wild.
Not one post from CA, The writer wasn't from CA so who are you talking
about mike?CA and WA for that matter have wonderful National and State
Parks and I seldom hear any complaining except from those who have selfish
interests in mind and are being prevented from some short term personal
gain. Parks don't lock up the land they free it from being
actively hunted and destroyed by private commercial interests.KDave
said: "Designating it a National Monument did not create anything that was
not already there."Very true, but now it will keep it that way,
instead of creating strip mines that were not already there.