Let's get this right!--The IRS, and NSA are guilty of espionage.What's so hard about? The IRS, and NSA are guilty of espionage.Why do people allow this?If our country were set into families of
three, and we equally divided the national debt,- each family would have 178
million dollars. That's enough to buy insurance, food, medical care, a
nice house, car, etc.It's crazy! Our people would rather have
poverty, crooked leaders,and be spied on.
lost in DCsearch youtube "Cheney gave STAND DOWN ORDER" (CAPS used
here because that is how the youtube title is written)It is the
testimony of Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta during the National
Commission on September 11th Attacks.Mineta: "During the time
that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would
come in and say to the Vice President...the plane is 50 miles out...the plane is
30 miles out....and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man
also said to the vice president "do the orders still stand?" And the
Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said "Of course the
orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!"I
stopped viewing those shows that you listed a couple years ago when could no
longer tolerate their bias.
I still say he shouldn't be charged when the POTUS has told us that the NSA
operations are transparent. People in glass building have no
secrets, so Snowden revealed no secrets. No espionage. No crime. It
is so simple.His real crime is that he doesn't make the
president look good, so they will prosecute.
JJJHSmost dems voted for the patriot act when it was first passed and a
dem senate voted for renewal and a dem POTUS signed it. you cannot lay sole
blame on bush.the secret court that issues the orders was first
established under Carter (D)but don't let facts get in the way
of your irrational bush hatred.JiminSLC - where did you get your
conspiracy theory? moveondotorg, rachel madcow, bill maher, or msnbc?
Mention of Cheney is not a sidetrack. We need whistleblowers like Snowden and
Manning to expose the corruption that is in our government. Disclosing the
information openly as Snowden did is probably not the best way, but I don't
think that there is any other way at this time. Manning tried to give the
information he had to the NY Times. After the Times indicated no interest he
turned to wikileaks. Snowden has said that he has more data, I suspect that
Cheney may be concerned about what information he may have.Everybody
has something in their life that they wish to remain private. If NSA snooping
found something about me, that is of no consequence. But, how about Anthony
Weiner or David Petraeus, how were their secrets found and revealed and the
impact that has in government. Why did Justice Roberts unexplainably reverse
his decision on Obamacare? People that know the secrets of others have control
of those people if they do not want the information made public. This makes the
NSA surveillance a very powerful force in influencing the direction of policy.
A power it should not have.
Snowden charged with espionage and theft of government property in the NSA
surveillance case.If we the people, are the paying employers of
government, than there is no secret property, and surveillance. Period!UtahBlueDevil:People on the dole, and with less than an HS degree
should not be voting. Why do you think our country is on the decline?Voting for someone, because their name was on a sign, or bold false promises,
is not very smart.
Let's not get sidetracked. Snowden complains he doesn't want to live
under surveillance and runs off to a place is not exactly the freedom paradise
he says he wants to live in. Makes you say hmmmmm.
JohnJacobJingle...It is on record that Dick Cheney was in the
Pentagon, the building with the most defensive weapons in America to protect
against attack, on 9/11, monitoring the incoming aircraft and when the aircraft
was 10 miles out was asked "Do the orders still stand", at which he got
irate and replied "Of course the order still stands, have you heard anything
to the contrary". Cheney is, in my opinion, guilty of far worse than
@JWB - "he was skimming the information off the circuits and collecting 10s
of thousands for Wiki and others" .... ummm... you don't know who
computer systems work - do you. It is probably hard for you to believe,
because you don't understand how easy it is to walk out the door with your
employers data. It happens every day... just not with the impact as the two
events you mentioned."Our President isn't at the
battlefront but almost everything he does is a battle against history and
traditions including law and order of our country" - This might sound
profound on talk radio.... but honestly, "everything he does is a battle
against history"? Which history? This nation has one thing that is
consistent through out its history - and that is change. In 1800, fewer than
40% of adults in this country had the "right" to vote. Is that the
history you think needs preserving?What part of our history is being
violated? Our history is a continued progression of basic human rights being
expanded to more and more of its people. That is our history - whether you like
it or not.
Politicians leak when politically convenient without repercussions, even at the
voting booth. They can withhold information if it is politically convenient for
them. What is the example of the past? It is hard to believe that
a PFC could have done as much damage as he did without the "system"
knowing he was skimming the information off the circuits and collecting 10s of
thousands for Wiki and others. The same with this NSA contractor and even the
Office of Personnel Management's system that granted him a clearance and
access from another contractor. Who is minding the store? The
President has been campaigning for 6 years and needs to sit down and govern.
Abraham Lincoln even sat down and governed at the telegraph office. Our
President isn't at the battlefront but almost everything he does is a
battle against history and traditions including law and order of our country.
President LBJ's new order took a back seat when Nixon became President,
good, bad or ugly. This President is still campaigning as he doesn't want
the next President to do the same as President Nixon. Nixon used his power
woefully negligent but impacted our nation for decades later.
"JimInSLCSalt Lake City, UTI can't believe the animosity
expressed toward this man. If he had not blown the whistle the country would
still be ignorant of the NSA spying on American citizens"You
ever bother to read the Patriot Act? Yeah, GW Bush signed that and that is
where it all began. I have been aware of this and am not at all surprised.Snowden could have run anywhere, he chose to run to China? Hmm, why
would someone do that? You really think the authorities there will give him
asylum without an exchange for information? I don't usually agree with
Dick Cheney but I think he is right when he points out that Snowden conducted
espionage against the US.
I can't believe the animosity expressed toward this man. If he had not
blown the whistle the country would still be ignorant of the NSA spying on
American citizens. If Manning had not disclosed what were obvious war crimes,
we would be ignorant of atrocities committed by the military and more so by
contractors/mercenaries. The military may be drawing down in Afghanistan but
the number of contractors there is still over 100,000. For the money that we
taxpayers are charged for each contractor we could pay wages for 10 enlisted
men. So you would rather the NSA continue to spy on the public? In
my opinion, there are a lot of corrupt people in our government and until their
secrets are brought to light, the American people cannot change things.It took a lot of courage for him to do what he did, giving up a high paying
job and home in Hawaii. As Snowden said, his biggest fear was that the American
people would learn of these things and they would do nothing. Sadly, I think
his fear is justified.
Snowden is a whistleblower, and should be protected as such. The real traitors
are every single person who participated in the illegal surveillance of American
citizens. They should be rounded up, prosecuted, and thrown in prison.
Many of our political leaders are leaking.
Where is a CIA Drone when you need one?Get this guy.
Snowden is delusional if he thinks he can stay in Hong Kong and not provide any
information in order to stay there.
forget about negotiations with the Chinese,just send in seal team to extract his
butt over here and into jail where he belongs.