Published: Thursday, June 20 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
The problem, Russell, is that only now do you "not trust the
Government". I guess that you trusted "the Government"
under Bush when the Patriot Act was introduced and accepted the warrantless
wiretapping as good for National Security. I guess you trusted
government under Reagan with Iran Contra.I guess you "trusted
the Government when Cheney said "“There is no doubt that Saddam now
has WMD.” to garner support for a war that was unnecessary and cost of
thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. But you probably gave them a
pass.Unfortunately, Russell, people, especially those who are
extremely partisan, tend to only "distrust the government" when the
other side is in power. They give their side a pass.The government
has been untrustworthy for a long time. Where have you been?
Sure you can trust the government, just ask a Native American.
What, no complaints about climate change?
"of which several really stretch constitutional limits, such as "Fast
and Furious," "While certainly a tragedy, not sure which
Constitutional limit was tested."the inexcusable tragedy in
Benghazi, "Yes it was a tragedy, and inexcusable, if only we
felt the same ire everytime four of our Soldiers were slain. They barely get a
blip on the news."the spying on all of us and the government...
plus the collection of millions of emails and phone calls by the NSA, all in the
name of security from "terrorism,"This was all legal, and
has been since the Patriot Act was passed. While I too applaud its protest, I
wonder where all this was nearly ten years ago?"snooping on
James Rosen of the press" this is yet to play itself out, but it appears DOJ
was investigating a leak (a good thing) but no criminal charges were filed (so
free press does prevail).Those that want to find a conspiracy often
can. For humor, please reference the numerous jokes on the NBA draft lottery,
how a conspiracy can be seen for each and every team that could have won.
Did I miss Mr. Benders letters during the most disastrous period in our
Nation's history...you know, the Bush/Cheney years? Remediating the damage that Bush and his brand of "patriots" did will
take decades of great leaders like President Obama.
Nixon only problem that started impeachment was he lied. Why is it acceptable
"In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind
him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." Thomas
JeffersonThe entire notion of the American Revolution was to diffuse
and weaken government power so that it would not be concentrated in one man, one
party or one group. Ultimate power was to rest in the people themselves.
Americans in general appear no longer appear to want that responsibility, so
they have removed the constitutional chains and given men and women in
government to create mischief almost at will.
On one hand we have government leaders calling for prosecution of Snowden for
revealing the scope of the surveillance, as it is classified. Then we have the
president saying the surveillance is 'transparent'.The
contradiction does not escape those of us with a brain. If the
program is transparent, then there were no secrets revealed by Snowden because
it was all in plain public view, thus not secret.If Snowden did
reveal secrets, then the program isn't transparent, it is secret. (This is
the more likely scenario, as we even have a 'SECRET' court rubber
stamping every warrant request.)
Trust must be earned. For an administration to be considered
"trustworthy", that administration must have shown that it protected the
Constitution because that is the singular purpose of having a Federal
Government. The people set up the rules and embodied those rules in the
Constitution. The government acknowledges it subservient role by ALWAYS
protecting the rights of the people, even when protecting those rights becomes
unpopular. The government would have us think that we are the rebellious
children who can't be trusted and that it is the adult when just the
opposite is true. We, the people, are the adults, and the government is the
spoiled "brat" who can't be trusted.Obama has offended
America. He's had his highest officials lie to us. He has pretended that
he was "out of the loop". In short, he's played us for fools, and
now he has the gall to speak about "trust".He has not earned
our trust. His actions have destroyed all trust. At this point, I doubt that
he could ever regain our trust. He's proven too many times that he cares
only for himself.
Gee. That's funny. The miracle of google can do wonders!In
2005, Russell seemed to trust the government! He wrote, "It is sad that we
put up with the above-mentioned deaths but become almost rabid about bringing
our troops home. At least they are doing something useful and good for the
people of Iraq."So not only did he trust the government, he also
ignored the constitution. For where in the Constitution does it authorize the
use of our armed forces to invade another country to "spread good?" Iraq
wasn't a threat to the USA nor had they invaded us.Another
letter from Mr. Bender states his opinion about the Iraqi and Afghanhi
people:"No doubt they are looking forward to a free and open
society — which would be in violation of Islamic law. Their hatred of our
freedoms will immediately disappear. Their compassion and sympathy for all of
humanity will automatically increase."How's that working
out? Death and chaos still rule these 2 countries. Given the
evidence from 2005 and all of his anti-climate change letters in between, one
can easily say that this letter too, lacks any credibility.
What will it take for the apologists for "their guy" on BOTH sides to
admit they trusted him beyond what was wise? NO government official, elected,
appointed or hired deserves such trust. NO ONE can avoid the temptation to abuse
government power once they have it.
"The entire notion of the American Revolution was to diffuse and weaken
government power so that it would not be concentrated in one man, one party or
one group."Try applying that statement to the Utah state
government, where power IS concentrated in the Republican party. The federal
government, on the other hand, is characterized by congressional gridlock,
obstructionism, endless investigations, and little progress in solving the
nation's pressing problems. Clearly, power in Washington is NOT
concentrated in one man, one party, or one group. So if the purpose of the
American Revolution was to diffuse and weaken government power, it has succeeded
spectacularly on the federal level, not so much on the state level.
I wonder how many of these people who cite Orwells' book as their new bible
actually read it, either recently or by force in high school? It sure seems to
be a hot item these days, someone on AM radio must be referencing it a lot.
I think we can trust the government as long as we can watch them and they are
transparent. Of course I don't have the time or the means to
watch what the government is doing all the time. In the past this has been the
job of the US News Agencies. But recently it seems they have turned a blind
eye to what the government is doing (maybe out of respect for government secrecy
or something?... I don't know). But they don't watch the government
the way they used too. Or at least they don't report what they are seeing
(if it's negative) unless somebody leaks it in another country. But the
US News doesn't seem to be able to report anything negative about the news
now days (UNTIL it's been revealed by somebody else)I
don't know why this is happening. And it didn't start with the Obama
Administration. It's been going on longer than that.The
media's incessant hammering on too much secrecy in the Bush
Administration... combined with the Obama Administrations sincere promises to be
"transparent" if elected, just ring so hollow now.
So, Curmudgeon, are you saying that power rests in the American people now? On
what planet? To the contrary, political power had been abdicated to bureaucrats
and other professionals outside of our control. Citizens have lost control.
Regulators and security agencies rule us.
All you Democrats who think Conservatives didn't protest the Patriot Act
when it was proposed by the Bush Administration need to WAKE UP! WE DID!It just makes you sound so biased and blinded by partisan venom to
pretend that no Republicans of Conservatives (many in the Tea Party included)
protested extensively on the over-reach of the Patriot Act when it was proposed
by the Bush Administration. To pretend there was no protest from the right...
is just obsurd. People who know the Constitution (and the "radical
right" knows their Constitution) KNOW the Patriot Act while probably needed
IS a big risk when put in the hands of big government and people who would build
a surveillance-state or a police-state if the majority will let them.But quit pretending nobody on the right objected to the Patriot Act under
Bush. That's absolutely not true.And the same for
"Comprehensive Immigration Reform" under Bush. The
"radical-right" fought it then and shut it down... just as they fight it
now.Same for WallStreet bailouts... we fought it under Bush AND
Obama. But we don't win every battle.
"Obama has offended America. He's had his highest officials lie to
us"Mr Richards.Lets just say for the sake of
discussion that you are correct. I assume that you are talking about Benghazi.
So, take this forward.What is the outcome? What did it change? You
think Romney would have won?Now, compare that to theseDick Cheney - “There is no doubt that Saddam now has WMD."Condoleezza Rice - "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom
cloud." The whole premise was that Hussein was amassing nuclear
weapons.These kinds of lies or inflammatory statements convinced the
American people that we needed to go to war. Seriously. Think
about the ramifications of the two situations.
Someone once said that Obama's ignorance is only exceeded by his arrogance.
Well, it seems liberals are eager to put their trust in ignorance and arrogance
but the rest of the country is getting a real education at the hands of the IRS,
Eric Holder's Dept. of Justice, Hillary's Dept. of State and the NSA.
Trusting them is insane!
Joe,You're asking the wrong question. What you should have
asked is why Obama feared the citizens to the extent that he felt he had to lie
to us. What drives a man to lie? Why would he be more concerned about
retaining office than having integrity? The simple fact is that Obama threw us
all under the bus so that he could retain office. He cared only about what he
wanted. He knew the facts about Benghazi. He thought that he could
"control" those facts. He was wrong. He was wrong about controlling
the facts about the I.R.S., about investigation the AP, about Fast and Furious,
about spying on every one of us. He started to lie and then found out that he
couldn't get away from his lies.Your assertion that Dick Cheney
is to blame for thinking that Saddam had WMDs neglects everythng that Bill
Clinton said about WMD. It neglects everything presented to Congress by the
CIA. It neglects all the members of Congress who voted to go to war. When you
conveniently "forget" the facts, you're mimicking Obama. Do you
really want to walk down that road?
Mike!STOP right there! You accuse others of being
deceptive then you commit the exact same sin."Your assertion
that Dick Cheney is to blame for thinking that Saddam had WMDs neglects
everythng that Bill Clinton said about WMD. It neglects everything presented to
Congress by the CIA. It neglects all the members of Congress who voted to go to
war."I remember the GOP controlled congress. I also remember the
bullying bush administration very well too! They, with their dirty tactics of
"you're either with us or against us, mushroom cloud, axis of evil,
don't forget 9/11, don't cut and run, and freedom fries" mentality
bullied congress into a corner. If they stood up to the playground bully,
they'd be painted as cowards, weak against terrorism, and hated America. So
they went along with the program. Went along with the playground bully. And
folks like you were cheerleading them all along the way.The truth
is, if repubs held bush to the same standard they've held Obama, 99.9
percent of our current problems would never have existed. Mike
Richards, it is time to STOP playing political games and START caring for
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