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Published: Wednesday, June 19 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

If there are abuses, that must be rooted out. As to the border being "militarized" and tough to cross, that is by design. Those detained should be treated humanely, but then sent back. In short, the border must be secure. No amount of security will catch all crossers, so an appropriate e-verify system should go national (this will address the reason people cross).

None of this goes to the issue of those already here. For those who are just trying to work and live their lives, we need a compassionate and realistic solution (some are now being proposed). Sending them all back is simply unrealistic.

There need be no conflict here between the goal of a strong border and treating those here with respect. But as much sympathy as I have for those here and their often difficult circumstances, I cannot get behind any legislation that does not get our borders under control.

Sioux City, IA

You seem to be slightly confused on some of your points.
1. The choice to cross our borders without permission is against our laws. And choosing to cross in more remote areas in the hope of not being caught is no different than the burglar who chooses to break into the store in a remote area of town in the hope of not being caught. Would you say that our harsh laws force burglars to break into stores?
2. Our actual needs for foreign labor cannot be determined accurately until we can collect data on how many jobs are still not filled after we have full employment for our citizens and have filled all of the visas allocated by the current law with nobody being hired without permission to work here.
3. With 7.6% unemployment it would appear that we have no need at this time for any foreign workers.

Salt Lake City, UT

It is indeed a sad situation when many of the invaders into our country meet with injury and sometimes death but, knowing the possible threats, they bring in onto themselves.

They should not be trespassing onto the sovereignty of another nation of which they do not belong.

Ogden, UT

Everyone makes a choice in life. No one is forcing people to cross our borders illegally. What is wrong with coming to America legally? What is wrong with securing our borders? We do need to fix the immigration system. I don't understand why those breaking the law should have special consideration just because they have a family. They are the ones that chose to put their family in jerpordy. Without rules there is chaos. Why can't they apply for citizenship? You or I would never dream of trying to enter a country illegally. The reality is in this day and age is there are to many people that want something for nothing. There is a price for freedom. There a a lot of hard working people in America that try to follow the rules. They help others in need. I am getting a little tired of making us out as not humane. No one in the world helps others like Americans. Now we have 8-11 million undocumented people in America-doing it their way-not our way. Stop giving a pass for breaking the laws of the land.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Why are they coming here illegally?

Why don't we ever talk about punishing businesses who break our laws? It's seriously so sickening to see them so blatantly thumb their noses at the American people. Punish businesses, force them to hire americans, and you would be amazed how few immigrants would come.

Salt Lake City, UT

One method of avoiding such abuses is to not enter this country illegally. It's not as though they are innocents who stray across the border inadvertently.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

This article demonstrates why it is almost impossible to enforce our laws. Especially our immigration laws.

When we think the Boarder Patrol should not intimidate anybody.. heck what's the whole purpose of HAVING a Boarder Patrol??? It's to intimidate people who are thinking of crossing in hopes of helping them decide NOT to cross!

Why do you think some stores have a police officer standing at the door? It's to intimidate would-be shoplifters into deciding NOT to shoplift. The Border Patrol serves much the same function. They are there so would-be criminals know if they do the deed they are going to have very unpleasant consequences.

If boarder patrol can't intimidate anybody who breaks our laws... should we require the officer in the mall to just tip his hat to people leaving with stolen merchandise? Because it could be embarrassing and inconvenient if he arrested them.

I know this person's consideration for those coming to America illegally is well intended. But what is law if we don't enforce it? And enforcement of law is often unpleasant. Ask any of the 33% of American children with an incarcerated parent.

Sioux City, IA

@Maverick and Twin Lights:
I have talked many times about the need to punish the employers who hire them.
One proposal I have favored is making those employers pay the cost of deporting each illegal that they have hired. In addition the option to have their family deported with them so there is no separation has always been available.

Far East USA, SC

"One proposal I have favored is making those employers pay the cost of deporting each illegal that they have hired."

Kind of unfair for the landscape owner to pay the same as Walmart.

I say, link the penalty to the income of the employer. And make it harsh and likely.

This will do far more to curb illegal immigration than a fence.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Real Maverick says, "Why don't we ever talk about punishing businesses who break our laws"?

Well... obviously we do. Everybody I know of who doesn't support illegal immigration supports some form of E-Verify to make sure businesses also have to obey the law, and to insure businesses are punished when they don't take due-diligence to prevent undocumented workers from committing identity theft and taking jobs that could otherwise benefit American families.

Some specific instances where ICE cracked down on Businesses and people like you and Rocky Anderson cried like babies to get both the businesses and the individual offenders off without prosecution...

1. In December 2006, immigration agents entered the Swift meat-packing plant in Hyrum, Utah, as part of the largest immigration enforcement raid on a business in U.S. history. About 1,300 undocumented workers were arrested.

2. December 2001, immigration agents raided the Salt Lake International Airport, where 271 employees were fired and a third of them were arrested and charged with falsifying documents to get work in secure areas

Remember how Rocky Anderson and other Liberals protested both raids?

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

The problem is best solved by coming down hard on employers that hire illegal immigrants.

Does the average person realize that when a family member is sick and dying in the US, people from south of the border of most often cut off from visiting them no matter how honest they are in their intentions to return? It's shameful.

Eliminate the jobs and eliminate the unfair trade policies that keep Mexican farms for being able to compete with subsidized US produce. Who are the socialist? All those republican leaning COMMIE US farmers that insist on price support handouts.

Stop the communist farmers!

Santa Clara, UT

I agree. I tried to enter Mexico from our border in Texas and was treated very badly. In fact arrogantly and mean. When I complained the custom officials just laughed at me. We should all write to Mexico and tell them to be more courteous. The border is also very bad between Southern Sudan and Northern Sudan and Southern Sudan and Uganda. There they just shoot you when you try to cross the border. Water, food, a bed? You must be joking.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

White Europeans: The original illegal immigrants.
In 1847 Utah was part of Mexico.

a bit of reality
Shawnee Mission, KS

The inscription on the Statue of Liberty ought to be modified to read something like this:

"If your tired, your poor, or your huddled masses yearning to breath free come near our borders, we'll send them back where they came from. And don't expect us to treat them much better than the border guards in Sudan would."

God Bless America!

Payson, UT

To Ernest T. Bass...What's your point. Using your logic, that means Mexico was illegally taken from the Native American populations by the Spanish and French. And prior to that, the Asians over the Bering Strait. And if you are part of the Mormon culture, Middle Eastern peoples established themselves here.

So who's an illegal immigrant? Just about all of us. White Europeans were not the original immigrants.

The point is, Ernest, we have a serious, uncontrolled problem. Close the borders since no one seems to care about entering the US illegally, and create a quick, fair, low cost system of immigration into this country....not the disaster that the Federal Govt. now uses...which is what we usually get from the Federal Govt.

Murray, UT

We are bad people because we try to enforce our laws?

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Ernest T. Bass,
NOT AGAIN... this lame argument has already been discussed as you have brought it up a hundred times.

Pretending the settlers of the West are the same as today crossing the Rio Grande KNOWING you are violating US immigration law and are subject to deportation... is lame. It's not the same.

I think the pioneers knew they were not in the United States when they settled in Utah. And so did the 49rs who settled San Diego, and the people on the Oregon trail. But Mexico did not regulate immigration in the Utah, California, or Oregon like we do today. If laws were broken... then Mexico would have prosecuted the settlers. But they didn't.

Here's some facts on the topic (search utah history in wikipedia)...
"Early in the Mexican-American War in late 1846, the United States had captured New Mexico and California, and the whole Southwest became U.S. territory upon the signing of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, February 2, 1848".

So technically they were trespassing for a year, but there was no immigration law regarding Utah at that time.

Totally not the same situation today.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

2 bits: It didn't bother them in 1847 any more than it bothers "them" now. Illegal is illegal, right?
Besides, they're just here to make a living. What good christian could possibly begrudge someone who is just barely making a living at well below the poverty level? They are simply pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.

Murray, UT

Ernest T. Bass

We were at war. The Mormon batallion joined the battle in 1846.

Unless you are saying that those here illegally are an act of war, your excuse is irrelevant.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

You're being totally illogical today.

Yes illegal is illegal. Do some research...There WAS NO IMMIGRATION LAW TO BREAK in 1847! Mexico had no such law! So they broke no law! That's the reason I researched and quoting the history and the law at the time in Utah!

"What good christian could possibly begrudge someone who is just barely making a living at well below the poverty level? They are simply pulling themselves up by their bootstraps"... WHAT? Now living below the poverty level means you can break the law???
So if your living below the poverty level and just pulling yourself up by your bootstraps... is it OK to rob banks? So why is it OK to break our immigration laws? This just makes no sense!

And the "good christian" stuff... give it a rest. You don't know my religion just as I don't know (or care about) yours. That has nothing to do with this.

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