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Published: Monday, June 17 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Utah_1
Salt Lake City, UT

The law violates US Art. 1, 8, 17 (last part). It is too bad the SCOTUS doesn't toss the law out.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Good grief! I am not sure how old the author of this is, but to paint a picture of puppy dogs and unicorns politically during the Clinton era is a total and complete misrepresentation of the political environment of the time. The man was impeached for crying out loud.

I know the conservative fraction of the world wants to paint this picture that the country has taken the hard turn to the left, but that is hardly the case. In some way, civil rights, those issues continue to creep along and expand. In other areas, the nation is as conservative as it ever has been.

I don't know if Obama has intentions of setting aside more lands or not. He has not shown to be one who has been out to appease the environmental crowd right now. The truth is, the reserves in Utah aren't as big as others, they are more difficult to get to, and more costly. The political landscape around energy, and energy itself is dynamically changing, and I don't think anyone knows where it will ultimately land.

There is a lot of political grand standing here, and not a whole lot of substance.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

Look at it this way, if future generations want to exploit the mineral resources of GSE they will have that option. What's the rush, shouldn't we leave something for our grand children?

KWL
Bountiful, UT

As someone around during the time, I remember that Clinton grabbed an area bigger than the state of Delaware in a state where he had come in third in the previous election (and had to tie to do that). When rumors began to circulate, he denied mere days before creating Grand Staircase that he was planning anything of the sort. Because he never spoke to anyone in the state, he didn't even have accurate maps of the area--in one case, a family found their driveway had been declared a pristine part of nature that was now off-limits to them.

It was a clearly political move meant to win Clinton points with the environmentalists. In return, he sacrificed a state with a small population he knew he wouldn't win anyway.

Shortly after, when efforts to save old growth redwoods from being cut down also made national news, Clinton did nothing. That was in California. Had he acted, he might have offended voters he needed.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Best thing Clinton ever did!
I'm thankful as a Utahn, that President Clinton had the foresight like other great leaders to set aside something for future generations. It's to bad that radical developers within the Utah Leg. and political pundits can't see past their own greed.

By the way the "School trust lands" were traded, for other federally held lands in Utah, so the whole first part of this rant is misleading at best.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

Any ability to abuse power as the President currently has should be eliminated. Keep the act but limit its scope. Allow creation of areas of protection but put a term length on it, allowing time to explore but to not permanently sequester. The act should allow stoppage of damaging activities to a site but further exploration should be required before deeming something permanent.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "We doubt Bishop's bill or the letter from the senators will carry much influence in the current political climate."

Or in any political climate, for that matter.

It's the very reason Clinton chose to retaliate against Utah -- the political powerlessness of American "flyover country" in general, and intermountain Western states, in particular.

And that, combined with the increasing desperation of Obama's regime to keep its fractious coalition in line, and a general, liberal animus against the Church, is why Obama will seek to top Clinton's unconstitutional land grab in Utah with one of its own.

He has already tipped his hand on one area -- the Arizona Strip, which includes part of Utah. But, he won't stop there. His regime will likely lock away uncounted millions of Western acres, in an attempt to buy off the Democrat Party's loony "green" wing.

andyjaggy
American Fork, UT

I for one am thankful for the antiquities act, and thankful for the creation of National Monuments, without them we wouldn't have our 5 wonderful National Parks. Those 5 parks bring a lot of revenue into this state.

The governor in office when Canyonlands was made a National Park fought against it, claiming that we were a mining state and we might need all of that rock for building material. Thankfully we got our park anyway, and it's now safe for the enjoyment of future generations.

Frankly it's hard to buy the argument that Obama is killing our oil and gas industry. Last I checked we were in the middle of a pretty insane boom in Eastern Utah. The oil and gas industry seem to be doing just fine.

happygolucky
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

I find it highly ironic that an editorial espousing development (rather than protection) of our great wild landscapes uses an iconic photograph of that very same wild land. Why not a photo of oil wells or strip mining? It's because those protected and undeveloped lands have real value, even to those whose short-sighted and archaic financial interests lie elsewhere. It is fact that the unique, distinctive and irreplaceable beauty of Utah also means dollars and jobs. In the region surrounding Grand Staircase-Escalante Monument, jobs have increased 38 percent and real personal income is up 40 percent from 1996-2008. Those are "green" numbers that anyone with a real financial acumen should be able to grasp. If not, they should at least be honest and decorate their official websites (and editorial pages) with pictures of highways, slag dumps and inversions.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Deseret "news" gets it wrong again. You can't point to anything wrong with the monument. If people in surrounding communities failed to cash in on it, they had the wrong attitude.
People in Arizona complained when the Grand Canyon was made a National Monument yet it's by far the largest attraction the the state today.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Thank heaven for the Antiquities Act. Without it, the most beautiful country in the world--the Kaiparowits Plateau--would now be buried under coal-mining slag. The business interests who want to repeal the antiquities Act want to make money by exploiting our lands. That is their sole interest. I am saddened that Dnews appears to be on their side.

Real Utahn
Heber City, UT

I've come to expect these foolish articles from the Deseret News. Utah's true wealth is not under the ground only extracted by churning machines. The real treasure exists above ground in this state's amazingly diverse geography. If we fight to preserve it, it'll be around for generations, long after the minerals would have been mined out of it.

Small side note, bringing up the current political scandals in an environmental debate is a preposterous logical fallacy. Clinton had plenty of his own, very public scandals that made him unpopular in some circles. Whoever wrote this article is a fool first and a journalist second, or maybe not at all.

Thank you Bill Clinton for being the wiser and saving Utah from its own elected officials. Their ancient mentality has been a disease on this state for years.

A Smart Person
Provo, UT

It's very short-sighted to choose abusing the land for a quick buck versus leaving this resource as it as and gaining tourism revenue for eternity. I do agree with the author that Utah has great potential for energy production; all we need are some solar and wind farms in the west desert.
People in this state have such an odd fixation on digging for "treasure."

the truth
Holladay, UT

@andyjaggy

What!?

Utah couldn't have create and manage it's parks?

We don't need the federal government doing things we can do for ourselves.

The antiquities act has become a political tool, that gives way too much power to one man over a state and it's people.

It's seems all the left cares about are it's wonderful and glorious intentions and to heck with the states and everyone and everything else. Quite selfish of the left indeed.

Joel_Masser
San Jose, CA

Having Utah meet the country's energy needs sound good on the surface, but is the wrong way to look at our energy problems. Our energy consumption is increasingly depriving us of breathable air and is increasingly causing weather and climate disturbances. The climate disturbances are starting to cause damage to the economy and human living conditions on a scale unprecedented in human history.

Setting aside and protecting federal lands in Utah is the best use of the land no matter how you look at it - economically, health-wise, spiritually. Utah is truly blessed by its gift of land worth protecting.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

Cheap natural gas and wind are killing the future for coal and nuclear. Nuclear and coal plants are shutting down, and some ports are banning the export of coal to foreign countries. California is cutting off its coal-fired electricity from Utah by 2025 (some predict sooner as new renewable energy resources and gas come online), so Utah's reliance on coal extraction poses significant economic risk going forward.

Few could have predicted that fracking and cheap natural gas would radically change our energy situation today. As Utahns demand more clean air for their children, Utah should turn to its wind, solar, and geothermal resources for its future.

Iowa gets 24.5 percent of its electricity from wind. Many other states get more than 10 percent. Its a booming energy source, and natural gas is a natural partner for wind because natural gas plants can be ramped up and down easily (something nuclear and coal can't do) to meet the variability of wind (and solar).

The latest news is that wind turbines and solar panels are now being designed with energy storage capabilities -- watch that be the next energy game changer!

giniajim
King George, VA

The long term value to Utah of national monuments is immense. The short term value is limited and most of the money will go out of Utah into the pockets of big city plutocrats. The destruction of Utah just isn't worth it, certainly not to Utah and certainly not to the average American taxpayer. Monument status is a win-win for everyone.

Utahhikerdad
TOOELE, UT

From beginning to end, this editorial is one of the most deeply flawed, factually inaccurate pieces I have ever seen in print. The assertions about the extent of fossil fuel resources we have in this state are false; they are measured in weeks, not generations. As a Utahn, I am ashamed of our state's insistence on contributing to the planetary suicide pact of global climate change. We rush headlong to rip up the most beautiful landscape on earth for a mess of pottage and ignore the enormous economic potential of renewable energy and wilderness. I have explored parts of GSENM and introduced others to it; the thought that it would be torn to pieces for the sake of some temporary jobs and the enriching of foreign coffers sickens me. I hope President Obama protects Greater Canyonlands if we have insufficient foresight to do it ourselves.

Luvutah
TORREY, UT

A 2011 statewide poll sponsored by Republicans for Environmental Protection showed that over two-thirds of Utahns think Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument is good for Utah and beneficial to the state’s economy. It's true that jobs grew by 38% and real personal income by 40% in the region surrounding the GSENM between 1996-2008 (see research completed by Headwaters Economics). Compare that to the data for the same period in neighboring Emory County who did NOT get any national monument declaration. Instead, Emory County greatly expanded leases for extractive industries during those years, yet their jobs and income levels rose only 5 percent.

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