I agree that wee should be concerned, but why is it now that so many republicans
get so upset. Where were they back when Bush began all of this. Bush is the one
who set it in motion! Besides, a lot of these Tea Party fanatics are fanatically
anti government! Tell me, what do they think will happen when they start to
attack our government? I think we should be concerned. Our government may need
change, but some of these anti government people are scary. I guess they think
living in anarchy would be better! It would be stupid to not consider what some
of these people are doing! Without our government, what kind of life do you
think we would have? Would people rather have a dictator.
To "Gregory Hill" just because Hoover did it to the left, does that make
it ok to do to the right? In other words, do the wrongs of the past justify the
wrongs of today?Explain why going after King was wrong, yet going
after the Tea Parties is ok? If the government is acting according to the
political desires of a few, shouldn't we get to the root and and get rid of
those politicians that use their government offices for political purposes?
Ah, Mr. CounterIntelligence, but the IRS was turned loose on the left. It
targeted the NAACP and other civil rights groups for years. J Edgar Hoover
targeted Martin Luther King. And the left did not "come unglued." It
persevered and eventually enacted the Civil Rights Act, one of the greatest
progressive achievements of this century.The only organization that
ultimately was denied a tax exemption by the IRS in Ohio was, in fact, a
left-leaning organization. The disproportionate hassle imposed upon
Tea Party groups was stupid, and even to those of us on the left of the
political spectrum, was an abuse of power that needs correction, but it was not
illegal (there were some legitimate questions about whether these groups
qualified for the exemption). In the end the witch hunting will produce no
prominent witches, and the witch hunters will move on to some other fruitless
To "Bebyebe" rather than going the Progressive route of putting people
in internment camps, how about we do the more enlightened thing. How about we
just stop voting for them and vote for Conservatives, or else impeach the
Progressives where possible?
The surest sign that liberals have no intellectual defense for the actions of
the President is when they invoke the name of George W. Bush.Who
knew that Obama would model his actions after GWB... and that liberals would
Lets's read this letter as if the opposing view wrote it:Democrat hypocrisy constantly stuns me.NSA spying: PRISM began
ucontinues under Obama, who also renewed the Patriot Act, specifically to
legalize such NSA actions, but only now the Democrat Party loves Obama for
spying on us?AP phone hacking: Since when do Democrats object to
finding leaks of secrets?IRS investigations: Politics aside,
doesn't any group with "Progressive" or "Socialist" trying
to set up tax shelters deserve investigation?Stop witch-hunting and
demonizing the right, democrats. It failed under Bush, and it will fail now. --Hmmmm... Just as valid.
"If you can get rid of ... progressives..." What did you have in mind
Redshirt? Concentration Camps?All the progressives you so hate are
just as much a citizen as you. They also pay taxes. Probably more than you do.
To "atl134" they were also the first and leading voices FOR the Patriot
Act and FISA expansions.Remember Bush, he is a Progressive. So were
the people who sponsored the bill, remember Republican Senators Orrin Hatch
(R-UT) and Jon Kyl (R-AZ) with Democratic Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and
Chuck Schumer (D-NY). I wouldn't call Dianne Feinstein or Chuck Schumer
anything less than Progressive. Orrin Hatch is Progressive lite, Jon Kyl was
the only conservative on the bill.You also forget that all but 1
Progressive in the Senate and House voted for the Patriot act, so apparently
they were for it before they were against it. The winds blew a different
direction and they sailed with them.You seem to excuse the biggest
Progressive of them all who supports it. Obama, since taking the office of
President has signed laws to reauthorize the Patriot Act, plus expand FISA.Your blinders seem to be obscuring your view of the bigger picture. You
should really take them off and see what Progressivism is doing to this country.
@Redshirt1701Except Progressives were the first and leading voices against
the Patriot Act and FISA expansions of power. Turns out Progressives don't
base their political views on "whatever Redshirt disagrees with".
Great... let's turn this into a debate of BHO's approval ratings!What... if his approval ratings are slightly above 50% instead of 48% we
can't question anything he's doing? Give me a break!If
you think numbers and approval ratings mean anything... just keep in mind that
President Bush was being investigated by Congress when his approval ratings were
at all time highs.Yes... it's a fact that President Bush once
had an approval rating of 90% (Sept 21 2001). That's the highest of any
American President in history BTW. President Obama's highest approval
rating so far has been 69%(Jan 22 2009). (Source Wikipedia)Let's please drop the numbers game. It's not like if the approval
rating means we can't question anything. Nor is a barely over 50%
indication that it's massively popular or unquestionable.
Re: "Republican hypocrisy constantly stuns me."But, liberal
Democrat hypocrisy apparently doesn't. Obama railed against and ran against
what he currently supports.That's apparently OK.He
promised to run the most transparent regime in history. Has he?He
promised to run the most ethical regime in history? Has he?He
promised to close Gitmo's war criminal detention facility. Has he?He promised to fundamentally change politics, bringing us together in a
less-divisive, post-political, post-racial, post-carbon cumbayah. Has he?The only campaign promise he kept was to make sure the price of energy
would "necessarily skyrocket."But, I guess hiding one's
real socialist agenda behind a thin veneer of patriotic Americanism is not seen
by liberals as hypocritical.Only Americans who truly care about
America trying to save America.
Whatever,So what if they are higher than their nadir, more folk are
catching on to how bad this bozo is.Maverick.I guess you
missed where I cited who conducted the poll. Cable News Network, aka CNN.
That’s to be expected that you missed that, considering your track
record.Moderate, ugottabekidn,Verizon reports NSA data
requests increased 15% per year under BO. BO took what bush was doing and turbo
charged it. I guess the idea of magnitude is lost on you.Jl,The IRS sat on the requests for over 1 year. Yeah, you got sold the concert
ticket, but two days after the concert was over. What good did that do you?
And you’re still OK with the IRS being used to target the political
To "Anti Bush-Obama" the problem isn't political parties, but
Progressivism. The Democrats fully embrace Progressivism, and many the
Republicans are "me too" Progressives. The problem isn't the
parties as much as 2 visions of the same goal where neither one wants to let the
other help.Had we kept to the Constitution and upheald much of what
Conservatives would like to see, the NSA would not have happened, neither would
the IRS, or many of the other recent scandals.If you can get rid of
or put progressives into a minority position, things could change.
Unfortunately the Progressives run the Democrat party and the Republican party.
re: lost in DC"61% disapprove of his domestic spying:"And 61% of people own *smart*phones... that can not be a coincidence....
Still waiting for examples of right wing groups being denied 501(c) status from
the investigations of the IRS. And Ms Counter did you know the NAACP was put
through the IRS ringer in GWB's days? Didn't think you'd remember
since Faux news didn't cover it.
I remember Democrat Leaders (including Nancy Pelosi) pledging May 7 2006 to
block EVERYTHING President Bush tried to do in his second term and to fill the
Congress's time with continuous investigations of various nature IF they
could get the 15 seats needed for a House Majority in the mid-term elections.Google "Democrats pledge probes of Bush". There
are several articles on this Democrat pledge and the agenda of endless
investigations to make it impossible for President Bush to accomplish anything
on his agenda. I remember seeing it on TV. They were VERY open
about their intent to tie up Congress in nothing but investigations. There was
also a big Democrat movement (call it a "Witch Hunt" if you will)... to
Impeachment the President, the Sec of Defense (Donald Rumsfield) and the Sec of
State, at the time. Do you remember that?So Andrew... IF you were
writing letters like this back then (and not just now)... Then I have total
respect for you. If not.... What can I say... You're just another
partisan letter writer. Because it's basically the same thing.
Rather than this childish finger pointing banter why not try to change this
privatization of our nation's security. I think it is amusing to see the
rants when POTUS continues his predecessor's agenda and all of a sudden the
"sky is falling". Our government is beholdin' and it ain't to
@The Real MaverickIt came from CNN (45-54). Naturally whatever the worst
poll is any given day is the one that is used by conservatives. I could easily
use the Time poll (48-44) but I'd rather be legitimate and use the
RealClearPolitics average of polls which gives 46.4-48.4.
Liberal Today."Why should we worry about the government
collecting massive amounts of material that could be re-arranged to create
evidence to jail people, send the IRS after people, or to send drones on people?
Our party is in charge. They will not hurt us. They will only go after those
radicals of the other party that we dislike so much. With that kind of power on
our side, the republicans will never win another election. The IRS is seeing to
that."Holy Smokes! Are you being sarcastic with this comment?
Hope you are because it sounds like you have been taking lessons from Adolf
Hitler. But I'm glad your only going after Republicans and not Libertarians
where the true threat to you police state utopia exists.
"61% disapprove of his (Obama's) domestic spying"Brilliant example of failed thinking in today's partisan politics. If
you think the NSA program is Obama's, then you think it would have gone
away if he hadn't won re-election. Wrong. Completely wrong. If Mitt
Romney had won the election, Mitt Romney would be defending the value of the NSA
program.You cannot solve a problem if you don't know the cause.
Obama is not the cause.
It's truly sickening how political parties have killed this country.
Political parties create partisanship and partisanship creates no accountability
and our "leadership" can get away with anything. So if I
murdered someone, can I just blame it on Ted Bundy doing it first and use that
to get out of jail?
Why should we worry about the government collecting massive amounts of material
that could be re-arranged to create evidence to jail people, send the IRS after
people, or to send drones on people? Our party is in charge. They will not hurt
us. They will only go after those radicals of the other party that we dislike so
much. With that kind of power on our side, the republicans will never win
another election. The IRS is seeing to that.Call on your Obama-phone
and tell your elected representatives that you want them to leave the NSA alone
to do the job that needs to be done for this country's protection against
smaller government. In fact, we should channel more money from the military to
the NSA so we can keep our own citizens in line. The Middle East is so far away.
Terrorists just don't make the journey from there to here to hurt us. Take
money from the INS too. Those undocumented people here don't need watching
near as much as the citizens of that other party, especially the ones that
listen to the radio.
I think we should not implore them to stop the witch hunt. It is a foolish
exercise to hunt witches, so let it proceed. Asking that it stop only suggests
malfesance. So let it go on, because buried in it is the ability to end up
looking foolish. Let them find it.
"BO's approval ratings are dropping, only 45% now approve, 54%
disapprove"Where do you folks get your information from?
Foxnews? Rasmussen? The same folks who predicted that Romney was going to win?
How'd that work out for ya?
Lost.Obamas approval ratings are still 40 POINTS higher than the
fake news/tea party dominated congress.
The real scandal was Bush's secret surveillance WITHOUT the approval of the
secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance court. In 2005 justices resigned
from the court when they found out that Bush-Cheney Co. was simply ignoring
them. Although I wish there was no FISA court,at least the current
administration respects the FISA court.
Andrew,It's not a witch hunt. It's Congress's job. Part
of the job of Congress is to have oversight into things the Executive_Branch is
doing (it's part of the way our founding fathers setup our government so
that one branch, one man, or one party, can't control everything with carte
blanche and do whatever they want with no oversight or anyone questioning what
they are doing). Do you want Congress to NOT do their job for some reason?I'm reading a book on Terrorism, 2 things that are critical for
civil war and terrorist regimes to take hold is... "Uncertainty" in the
population, and a majority that won't question their overseers.Uncertainty in the future (the economy, your job, what form of government they
will have, who will be in control, what they will do, can you live the way you
want, etc)... leads to the population giving in just hoping it won't get
worse. In the past the advantage America has had over countries like Iraq,
Afghanistan, Syria, etc, is "certainty" in our future and the ability to
question our leaders.
Liberal Larry,folks are finally catching on to BOnew CNN
pollBO's approval ratings are dropping, only 45% now approve,
54% disapprove61% disapprove of his domestic spying57%
disapprove of his handling of the economy as it struggles to improveless than half believe he is honest and trustworthy.more and more
folks are discovering what conservatives have know all along. BO is bad news
for the country
Sorry, Mr. Smith, but criticism of the spying program has been bipartisan and
hypocrisy thrives on both sides of he isle. If Democrats had not stone walled
the Benghazi and IRS investigations, perhaps Republicans would be more trusting.
The spying program has become more troublesome since the IRS fiasco of targeting
political philosophies and then illegally releasing private information to
Propublica, a left wing group sponsored by George Soros. Government information
is not secure. How long before the NSA has leaks of information during a coming
Conservatives think that each new "scandal" is weakening the dreaded
Obama's presidency, when in fact the opposite is true. Think of a sports
fan who always crys about the officiating. The GOP's constant droning
against all things Obama is causing people to tune out the harping, remember the
boy who cried wolf?
Andrew,The court that authorizes all this domestic spying was
initiated by Carter (D).The Patriot act originally passed with a
majority of dem votes.The act would not have been renewed in 2011
had it not been approved by a dem senate and signed by a dem president.Verizon reports NSA info requests have INCREASED 15% each year under BO. If bush dropped a breadcrumb in a stream, you’d justify BO
dropping 40,000 tons of toxic waste because “bush dropped stuff in
first!!!!”You are OK violating the freedom of the press
protections enshrined in the First Amendment?You are OK with using
the IRS to target the political opposition?It’s only a witch
hunt when they are investigator YOUR side.Dem hypocrisy is
stunning.LDS? lib,No smoking gun?Open your eyes
and your ears and you MIGHT learn something.Not even ONE among the
thousands the BO misadministration sold to Mexican drug lords?Not
ONE when we KNOW the BO WH LIED about Libya?We KNOW he spied on the
APWe KNOW groups opposed to his policies were targeted by the
IRS.Your willful blindness truly is tragic.
This letter typifies the hypocrisy and passive/aggression of Obama sycophantsIf the IRS were targeting liberals, the left would come unglued.But when
the left gets caught - the standard response it to go into victim mode in an
attempt to divert attention away from their perpetrating status.
Our politics seems geared for the perpetual witch hunt. That whichever party
holds the White House is doomed to a never-ending stream of such.This is not to say there are not real reasons for concern in most
administration - this one included. But the manner we go about this (carefully
for the benefit of the nation, or political gamesmanship for the
"benefit" of the party not in the White House) makes a huge
difference.Both sides are guilty (in different election cycles). We
need to break the chain.
Stop witch-hunting, GOP. It failed under Clinton, and it will fail now. J. Andrew Smith====== And since there is no
smoking gun, they won't stop until they find another stained, blue
dress.It made Rush Limbaugh a Billionaire.