As one who has worked in the administrative office of a telephone company- the
reason that wire taps were used on a specific telephone was for probable cause
as specified by the police department. Taps were restricted by time as mandated
by the telephone company.
Worf:Do you have any vague idea what the difference is between an
agency spying on it's citizens and one that is monitoring international
communications, looking for keywords like bomb, terrorist, etc.? From your
comments, it's rather obvious you don't. This program with the NSA is
the latter. It's monitoring only specific, targeted communications that
could pose a threat. The vast majority are immediately discarded and not
retained.Law enforcement agencies have quietly and unobtrusively
been using surveillance techniques for generations to stop crime and helping to
preserve our level of national freedom, not negate it. Terrorism is
a crime that people should be willing to give up a very small amount of privacy
to help contain. Has it stopped all bad activities? Of course not. Nothing can
do that. Has it stopped multiple documented terrorist plots? Yes, it actually
has. And for that we should be grateful and get off of our high-horses. Exactly where in the Constitution is this surveillance program
specifically outlawed or forbidden? What specific negative consequences have you
personally or any other law abiding citizen suffered from it? It seems there is
a lot of unnecessary paranoia going around.
Claudio:In a sarcastic way,-you were defending NSA programs. Look
at your comment.
Worf,There you go putting words in my mouth again. I didn't
say any of that. In fact, I'm on record in these comment boards being
against it. Feel free to continue to spin things the way you want. I already
know facts don't trouble you. Have a great day!
This is coming from the most dishonest administration in the history of the
United States. I'll feel much better about our government once Obama and
his administration are out of the White House.
I could list many lies stemming political leaders, and the media. Some
examples:* The violence in Benghazi was not because of terrorists,
but because of a video. * Mitt Romney paid no federal incomes taxes for
ten straight years.* Hillary Clinton was under fire in Bosnia, and her
daughter was jogging by the world trade center when it blew up.* Toyotas
will accelerate without warning* Obama Care will reduce the deficit,
insurance premiums, etc. How do we know of broken terrorist plots,
and are we spying on people in 20 other nations as well? Can we trust the words
coming from the press? Lying breeds more lying.Now we trust
ourselves to be spied on for the sake of safety? Where does this trust come
Claudio:So, in a free country, you think it's ok for a
government to spy on its people? A government which has created a seventeen
trillion dollar debt. That's $580,000 for every second in a year, and
enough to make millionaires of all families in the country. You trust these
guys to spy on your family? I don't understand you. Why?The
IRS has just proven that spying on people brings unwanted consequences.
"...I don't know whether this is true or not...".Mitt
Romney the twice failed Presidential Candidate/Nominee's favorite VP of all
time Dick Cheney told Americans on FOX news(?) this morning,
"...this..." is, was, will be true.And we all know that Dick
Cheney would never lie!
This issue needs a lot of thoughtful discussion, not only because of what it
does to our freedom but what it provides for our security. Demanding it be
dismantled because you've learned to spell 'benghazi' is not this
discussion. Whatever the outcome, given the level of discourse on this subject
and government in general, I fear it will be the wrong one.
If you're gullible enough to by the "Peace thru surveillance" line,
I've got some beach front property for sale in Thompson....
@Mainly MeOf course it's a lie. The AP phone records scandal added
up to far more than 300.These guys are in the spy business. They lie for
a living.What they don't tell you is how much spying they did on
their political enemies.It's just another boot pressed against our
I don't know whether this is true or not, whether terrorist plots were
foiled or not. But why should Americans be expected to believe a president who
has lied consistently for nearly five years. The most dishonest presidency in
American history expects this people to believe a proven liar? Until we see a
consistent pattern of honest and "transparency" from the president, the
press shouldn't even bother to report on what he says.
Check them all. EVERYBODY. I've got nothing to hide. Keep up the good
Re: WorfAnd the firefighters didn't prevent a fire in Colorado
Springs. The police didn't prevent the thousands of robberies that took
place this week either. I guess those are wastes of public money too. Better
get rid of them.After all, anarchy works swell. Just ask the folks
in Syria, Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan...
NSA programs did not prevent the Boston marathon bombing, guns to Mexican
cartels, Benghazi, or the Fort Hood shooting.Another waste of public
money, and decline of American freedoms.
"...fewer than 300 phone numbers were checked against the database of
millions of U.S. phone records...."Anyone really believe this