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Published: Wednesday, June 12 2013 5:12 p.m. MDT

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Cris B.
Sandy, UT

EDM,

"Would you concede as possible that the gay boy in the tent might not be attracted at all to the straight boy"

Yes.

Would you concede as possible that a straight male is not attracted to every female in the world?

And yet you likely support that straight male not taking the neighbor girls camping, or walking into a ladies locker room, even if he is not attracted to the women inside?

I've been over this time after time.

Quite simple really.

Cris B.
Sandy, UT

EDM,

Would you concede as possible that the gay boy in the tent might be very attracted to the straight boy?

If you are honest, I have a follow up question.

What is your proposal to the feelings of the straight boy if this makes him feel uncomfortable(similar discomfort as if coming from a female in a tent with a boy who is attracted to her)?

"Tough luck kid, deal with it" ?

Those who argue with me refuse to acknowledge the very real feelings of the straight boy, who justifiably might not want to change his clothes around someone attracted to him, just as a young lady would not want to around a young man attracted to her.

plainbrownwrapper
Nashville, TN

@Cris B. --

"And yet you likely support that straight male not taking the neighbor girls camping"

Once again -- NO leader should ever take scouts camping alone, regardless of gender or orientation.

Quite simple, really.

Christopher B
Ogden, UT

brownpaper,

No one ever said a leader should take a scout camping.

Not sure what you're arguing.

You're trying to argue a simple point, but no has has ever disagreed with the point you're making.

I don't know how to make this more simple for you. I would if I could.

Boys don't go camping with girls. We don't tell the girls "tough just deal with it" and force them to change clothes and sleep with boys

Gay boys shouldn't be camping straight boys.

We OWE that same RESPECT to the straight boys.

This is about scout safety and respect

plainbrownwrapper
Nashville, TN

@Chris B --

"No one ever said a leader should take a scout camping."

Great! Then you can stop all that fear-mongering nonsense you've been posting about straight men taking little girls out into the woods. You obviously realize that your scare tactics are completely irrelevant to the actual situation at hand.

Glad to hear it! :-)

"Boys don't go camping with girls. "

Lesbian girl scouts go camping with straight girl scouts. They have done so for years.

Where's the difference?

"Gay boys shouldn't be camping straight boys."

Why not?

Lesbian girl scouts have been camping with straight girl scouts for years.

Are girl scouts somehow tougher than boy scouts? Are boy scouts really such delicate flowers?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

The LDS Church allows gay members,
The LDS Church allows gay Boy Scouts.

So -
You can either follow the Prophet,
or join the Baptists.

The End

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

@ LDS Liberal

When did the prophet come out and say being gay is OK? To allow them participation, sure, I guess. I havent heard it directly from President Monson, so if it comes through the spokesman of the church that makes it a following the prophet or not statement I guess?

To support an individual is one thing, to agree with an individual who made a choice to do what in my opinion is wrong is another.

The church allows gay members, they allow gay scouts, do they support their beliefs or actions?

If my kid chooses not to share a tent with a gay scout because he does not feel comfortable with that. I guess according to your post he doesnt follow the prophet? It is thoughts like this that what gives the church and its members a bad name. Your handle is LDS Liberal, but what about the non-liberal LDS members, do they not follow the prophet also because they do not agree with your liberal standards. I just dont get it.

Girlse State
Midvale, UT

@Utahbruin - even if "Lds" liberal is lds, which I don't believe, he uses certain things church leaders have said as justification of things they have not said. I think he added the LDS part to his handle to try and seem as if his posts have more power/reason. Either way, he suggests that Church leaders believe things they certainly do not believe. By the brethren saying "same sex attraction is not a sin" is suddenly equal to "homosexual relationships" are OK and not fought against.

Clearly the brethren have not said that, nor will they. And I stand with the brethren.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

re:LDS Liberal

Good point and well said.

zoar63
Mesa, AZ

@patriot

"The Savior loves ALL."

True but not the sin

"And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@UtahBruin;

You should think for yourself regardless what your leaders say.

@zoar;

Being gay and in a same-sex relationship isn't a "sin". Being gay in a heterosexual relationship would be a sin, as would being heterosexual in a same-sex relationship.

Sin is relative anyway. I don't believe in "sin" per se, but if I did, I'd certainly believe that bigotry is a sin.

Fred Vader
Oklahoma City, OK

I think the reality is "gay" or not, most boy scouts on camping trips only share tents with those they are comfortable with. When I was a scout, I never shared a tent. That was my preference due to the fact that a week up in the woods with no showering made for some smelly scouts. Only once did a leader insist that I would "have to" share a tent. I chose not to go on the trip, rather than share. While only a "boy", I was mature enough to decide what I wanted to do or not do, and was generally supported by my scout leaders. I think that is how most scouts deal with it, regardless of this issue.

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

@RanchHand

I do

2plainbrownwrappers
Nashville, TN

@zoar --

"True but not the sin"

It's not your job to judge. That's God's job.

Many religious people -- Christian, Jew, and others -- have no problem reconciling the teachings of the Bible with the idea of equal citizenship for gay people.

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"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven." Luke 6:37

"Judge not, that ye be not judged." (Matthew 7:1)

"And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man." John 5:27

"If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world." John 12:47

"Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it." James 4:11

"There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?" James 4:12

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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@Girlse State
Midvale, UT

@Utahbruin - even if "Lds" liberal is lds, which I don't believe, he uses certain things church leaders have said as justification of things they have not said. I think he added the LDS part to his handle to try and seem as if his posts have more power/reason. By the brethren saying "same sex attraction is not a sin" is suddenly equal to "homosexual relationships" are OK and not fought against.

Clearly the brethren have not said that, nor will they. And I stand with the brethren.
2:29 p.m. June 13, 2013

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..."The Church distinguishes between same-sex attraction and behavior. While maintaining that feelings and inclinations toward the same sex are not inherently sinful, engaging in homosexual behavior is in conflict with the “doctrinal principle"..."

I never said anything of the sort - you have a reading comprehension issue.

I said, and I quote:
"The LDS Church allows gay members,
The LDS Church allows gay Boy Scouts."

The Church even allows members who are alcoholics [since once you are one, you never get over it.]

Not allowing for what you are, regardless for what you do --- is defined as bigotry.

Sneaky Jimmy
Bay Area, CA

Haters gonna hate.May the Baptists reap what they sew.

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