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Published: Wednesday, June 12 2013 5:12 p.m. MDT

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Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Good job!

If boys shouldn't be in tents with girls, gays shouldn't be in tents with straight boys

No, not all gays would become attackers.

Neither would most boys attack girls in tents.

It is not appropriate to force a straight boy to change clothes and sleep in a tent with someone who is attracted to him

That is not fair to the straight boy

I don't walk into a ladies locker room and tell them "tough deal with it"

Let's not tell the straight boys the same thing

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

some often quoted liberal lines:

"Quote: "Same-sex attraction itself is not a sin".

Agreed.

Neither is heterosexual attraction

And yet we don't have boys and girls share tents and change clothes together.

"Quote: "Attraction to those of the same sex...should not be viewed as a disease or illness."

Agreed.

Neither should heterosexual attraction.

And yet boys and girls don't share tents.

"Members of the Church who have same-sex attractions, but don’t act on them, can continue to enjoy full fellowship in the church, which includes holding the priesthood, carrying out callings, and attending the temple"

Yes, Mormons allow that for heterosexuals too.

And yet boys/girls don't share tents

"As for gay scout leaders -- straight women serve as Scoutmasters in the BSA"

Agreed

And yet they don't share tents with the boys.

I'm frankly shocked liberals have such a hard time grasping such a simple concept.

Wingnut1
USA, UT

Chris B
That is the first comment I've read of yours that I have agreed with you with! You are absolutely right, it is completely not appropriate to share a tent with someone who is attracted to you. Oh but then when you make the boy be in his own tent, then BSA will get slammed for discrimination. Can't exactly solve the problem once you've allowed it to happen :/

TallNSkinny43
Germantown, MD

Chris,
I agree that the tent issue is real, and you make a good argument. One correction though: Male leaders are not allowed to sleep in tents with the boys at all unless it is a father and his son, at least that is how it was about the time I got my eagle. Leaders sleep in their own tents and boys sleep in the same tents as other boys.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

@TallnSkinny43,

I don't see how that is a correction. When did I say something that disagreed with that?

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

I don't agree with Chris B much. But on this one he has hit the nail square on the head. Couldn't agree more. I don't see how anyone can argue with what he said, but I am sure someone will find a way.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

How old are these kids. I doubt that any one has made up their mind.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Who would Jesus reject?

Scott3
Quiet Neighborhood, UT

I sure wish the LDS Church would take a stronger stance. If the church thinks this situation is going to get better, it isn't. It will only get worse. We are letting impressionable youth and the the church as a whole dance with the devil. Please don't justify it by saying it is already going on and occurs elsewhere.

I have yet to hear one comment addressing why the scouts could not just produce a don't ask, don't tell policy. Keep your personal business to yourself.

paintandestroy
Richmond/Cache, UT

One problem before was if a scout leader THOUGHT a kid was gay for whatever reason, he had some real leverage. Unfortunately if your not especially tough or athletic people sometimes create false labels. I'm not entirely disagreeing with Chris B., I think it's a point well made, but when boys and girls share a tent there's a real likelihood of MUTUAL attraction that's less likely to occur in a same gender environment.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Tendencies vs temptations...edited conference talks...tolerance trap...Family Proclamation is not a revelation...a website...changes in the Honor Code...Mormons Building Bridges...
We are nibbling at the edges here. The Saints need some direction, not press releases.
How long halt ye between two opinions?

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

reSay No to BO

The Prophet Joseph Smith taught "we teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves". To your point regarding gay scouts ...there are already gay church members and I suspect as the Church grows beyond 20 million in a few years you are going to see all sorts of people coming to sacrament meeting in all parts of the globe. A few years ago no one ever considered a gay Mormon but now we have two members of the Quorum of the 12 giving talks regarding gay members and telling them that they are welcome and not excluded in any way so long as they keep the law of chastity. There are some church members who resist change...I was on an LDS mission with a companion from the south who just couldn't get past blacks receiving the priesthood - he liked it the other way. As the church grows to be a now global church you are going to see converts who come from all walks of life and some pretty liberal pasts and I suspect many - especially Utah Mormons - are going to swallow hard to accept them. Too bad. The Savior loves ALL.

southmtnman
Provo, UT

I think Chris B would have us create separate tents, separate bathrooms/latrines, separate cafeterias, separate troops, etc. - separate but equal, right!

The number of gay scouts are few, and the number of problems that will arise that fit Chris B's scenarios are the exception.

So, as one beloved LDS leader once stated, "Dear sister, we’d like not to take care of the exception first. We will take care of the rule first, and then we will see to the exceptions.... When you state a rule and include the exception in the same sentence, the exception is accepted first."

The rule adopted by the BSA and supported by the Church, that is inclusive of all young men, regardless of orientation, is a good, fair rule. Any exceptions and accommodations should be handled appropriately and discretely by thoughtful leaders.

War dog
Taylorsville, UT

I have worked with and known many gays as they are referred to, because of my past job, I never met one who said I chose this lifestyle

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

It doesn't matter. They're just a church.

mssr
Provo, UT

It's sad that people actually think that gays weren't in the Boy Scouts before...

Go Big Blue!!!
Bountiful, UT

I officially oppose the Southern Baptists intolerance towards other religions and towards those of different viewpoints.

EDM
Castle Valley, Utah

Chris B,
Would you concede as possible that the gay boy in the tent might not be attracted at all to the straight boy? Never mind considering the opposite as within the realm of nature.

The Big Deal
Bountiful, UT

EDM,

Isn't better to be safe than sorry..?

Go Big Blue,

Is your intolerance of people being intolerant justified for some reason, or are you being sarcastic?

Chris B,

Is your point that gay leaders should be ok and gay youth should not be?

plainbrownwrapper
Nashville, TN

@Chris B --

The Girl Scouts have accepted lesbian scouts for years. The world has not come to an end.

The same will happen in the Boy Scouts. The world will not come to an end.

Straight women already serve as Scoutmasters for boy scouts.
Straight men already serve as leaders for girl scouts.
Lesbian women already serve as leaders for girl scouts.

None of these established facts have caused the sky to fall.

I said in another thread: "As for gay scout leaders -- straight women serve as Scoutmasters in the BSA"

You replied here: "-- Agreed -- And yet they don't share tents with the boys."

NO leaders share tents with boys in the BSA -- regardless of gender or orientation.

NO leaders should be alone with scouts -- regardless of gender or orientation.

As we already know, the real molesters are going to be hiding under a camouflage of apparent normalcy. The scouts and leaders who are honest about being gay are not the danger that we need to worry about.

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