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Published: Saturday, June 8 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Mainly Me
Werribee, 00

1984, here we are. I just love the words of our fearless Dear Leader, "Trust me."

"'Will you walk into my parlour?' said the Spider to the Fly."

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

Disgusting. To think this is what it has come to. Creepy at best, diabolical at worst. They dont' need all this data. And it will cost our society billions to store it. They can already get warrants for phones on the fly, they don't need this power.
The sheer waste of money here should offend all of us.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

When the government discards the Constitution and takes power and authority to itself, we end up with the government listening to our phone calls, reading our email, and tracking our whereabouts via GPS.

Who gave the government that authority? The Constitution prohibits the government from doing that. Where is the Amendment that changed the Constitution?

It's time to throw out everyone in government who believes that their "right to spy" is derived from governmental authority and not blocked by the Constitution. It's time to use a "litmus test" of each and every elected official. It's time that we held them accountable to the oath that each took to defend the Constitution against the very things that they are doing.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Pretend Bush said it.

Invisible Hand
Provo, UT

We have nothing to worry about if we're not plotting with terrorists? I have three letters to refute that notion: I-R-S. I don't want government flagging me because the websites and the news I read reveals me as a person who values economic freedom. We've seen what the IRS can do to people with those kinds of views. Just posting a comment like this one puts me at risk of police state persecution.

red state pride
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The hypocrisy of the Obama administration and the American left is mind-bogglingly shocking. So let me get this straight- if a Republican does it it's bad but if a Democrat does it it's no big deal. Nothing to see here folks.
The AP is so accustomed to carrying the water for this Administration that even after it was revealed that Eric Holder's Justice dept was spying on their reporters they still cover and whitewash scandals for this Admin. Read the front page story today regarding the NSA. It was like reading an article straight from Pravda.
I don't think this story is nearly as disturbing though as the travesty at the IRS. I've always assumed my calls, emails, texts etc were monitored in some way (not that I'm special) The ACA legislation Democrats passed assures that every citizen will be monitored and have their data collected form birth to death. With 6 thousand additional IRS agents to insure compliance. They own you lock, stock, and barrel now- thanks Democrats- I always wanted to live under a totalitarian regime.

SEY
Sandy, UT

It's over. Privacy is a relic of the past. I can't help but believe that our "benevolent" government is only telling us what will keep the masses submissive. We don't know even the half of it. As the Borg always said, "Resistance is futile."

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@red state pride
"nd the American left is mind-bogglingly shocking. So let me get this straight- if a Republican does it it's bad but if a Democrat does it it's no big deal."

I've consistently opposed it from the start. More Democrats in Congress voted against the 2011 reauthorization of the Patriot Act than voted for it. Only one senator of either party (Feingold, D-WI) opposed it in 2001 so Democrats are only trending towards MORE opposition, not less.

SEY
Sandy, UT

@red state pride: if you think all this is a Democrat Party's doing, you're sadly mistaken. This has been a bi-partisan effort all the way. Our own congressmen have been enablers, even if unwittingly. They've acted as window dressing who are part of the grand scheme of misdirection going on under the surface. Our so-called "watch-dog" press has been lulled into obedient pacification to boot. Like I said, we don't know the half of it.

hapticz
Passaic, NJ

ok girls, calm down. it's as if you thought nobody was paying attention to the chatter before? many people have lost more due to excessive private secrecy as 'privy groups' assume they can callously deprive others of opportunities, business, and simultaneously cause massive economic unbalance. terror is not confined to literal death, it also affects social structure and the distinct thrust by certain financial groups to demand specific benefits.

What in Tucket?
Provo, UT

I did not mind it when BUsh had the Patriot act. The problem is that Dems hated that, but when they do it 10 times more it is ok. What hypocrites.

thebigsamoan
Richmond, VA

Isn't this a violation of citizens privacy? My goodness! Will there be an end to this administrations arrogance and greed for power? Lies after lies, scandal after scandal! Whatever happened to the most transparent administration ever in America's history? Truly America is being fundamentally transformed before our very eyes just like they promised, and yet still too many people are either blind to it or don't care at all! I am so afraid for the future of our children and our country. We are sadly a nation now run by a power hungry government dominated by people who pretend to be in office to serve the nation when in reality serving themselves and their selfish agendas. We seriously need to establish term limits for those folks. And we need folks with integrity, honesty, and are trustworthy. Are there any left in America? Unless we clean house and reform Washington, I'm afraid we the people are doomed. May God help us!

Wally West
SLC, UT

To Mainly Me

You forgot the Frog & Scorpion proverb.

Re: SEY 8:24a today

"I can't help but believe that our "benevolent" government is only telling us what will keep the masses submissive."

Bread & circuses.

*As the Borg always said, "Resistance is futile."*

and compliance is lame.

airnaut
Everett, 00

@Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

It's time to throw out everyone in government who believes that their "right to spy" is derived from governmental authority and not blocked by the Constitution. It's time to use a "litmus test" of each and every elected official. It's time that we held them accountable to the oath that each took to defend the Constitution against the very things that they are doing.
7:10 a.m. June 8, 2013

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Let's see...

Patriot Act expansion and extension vote 2011.

Utah delegation:

Ayes:
Orrin Hatch
Jason Chaffetz
Jim Matheson

Nays:
Mike Lee,
Rob Bishop.

Pres, Obama simply signed what THEY gave him.

FYI - Mike,
My hands are clean, my conscious is clear.
I didn't vote for any of them, did you?

Jiggernaught
FTL, FL

What I think most people are failing to grasp is how this Surveillance is a real threat to democracy itself.

Consider all the future senators, congressmen, diplomats, and presidents et al out there at the moment using all these services. No doubt over the 20 years of adolescence and 30 years of adulthood leading up to powerful positions, personal information will be gathered on these future leaders.

This information will then be used against them to either stop them from rising further into power or to be controlled when in power.

We then stop being a democracy and turn into a society where the powerful are controlled, not by the people but by the people who hold the information

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

People who cry about law enforcement, government rules and regulations and work vigorously to prevent government from interfering with their right to do wrong are usually referred to as criminals.

The only reason we as a people have any freedom at all is because of government that prevents the bad guys in our world from making us slaves. It is the bad guys influencing our government that would prevent government from protecting us.

The notion of personal privacy as a sphere around us should be regarded as a shrinking sphere depending on the population and technology increase in our world. Back on the ranch we could do and say any thing we wanted in our front yard, our personal privacy sphere extended to the horizon in every direction. Today our sphere of personal privacy ends at our lips and at the end of our fingers. To expect that the notion of personal privacy extends beyond that is foolish.

Technology exists to see, hear and record just about everything you do. To think that government is the only ones using that technology to their advantage just as foolish.

SEY
Sandy, UT

The notion that "cleaning house" will solve anything is, I'm sorry to say, naive. Congress and the Senate are not in charge. Like I said, they're not much more than window dressing to distract us from what's happening behind the scenes. Voting is nothing more than an exercise in pacification. Pass the Kool-Aid.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

The government needs money to run. Shut it off. The government needs Congress to approve all spending. Fire those who spend for any unauthorized spending. No spending can happen unless the CEO (Obama) enforces that spending. Fire him if signs any check (permits) any unconstitutional spending.

Note to airnaut: Don't get too comfortable. Without government spending, you'll be out of work just like anyone else who lives off government spending. You might think that YOUR job is irreplaceable, but there are many of us who would disagree.

Looking over our shoulder is not a duty authorized by the Constitution. Many mock the Constitution. Many more mock those who insist that we all abide by the Constitution. Some even mock the Constitution, those who stand for the Constitution, and those Congressmen who vote to uphold the Constitution (Mike Lee and Rob Bishop) while they take home huge salaries because of unauthorized government spending.

It's time to clean house - completely.

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

Well perhaps you all should have chimed in 7 YEARS ago instead of supporting BUSH no matter what he did. Republicans made sure to support the telecommunications act 5 years ago as well.

I've emailed the president and contacted my republican congressmen. Have you?

So now here we are. I guarantee you can get liberal support to stop domestic spying on citizens but will republicans demand it out of their next candidate?

And then will you accept the consequences when there is another terrorist attack?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@red state pride
"So let me get this straight- if a Republican does it it's bad but if a Democrat does it it's no big deal. "

Uh... most Democrats oppose this kind of thing. Most of them in Congress voted against the Patriot Act extension. We just don't think doing something legal (that we don't think should be the law but is) qualifies as an impeachable offense. On the flip side however we've gone from conservatives telling us that if you oppose the Patriot Act you're weak on defense and their unanimous support of it, to them still voting by majority for the extensions of the Patriot Act and FISA (roughly 3:1 for while Democrats were 2:1 against), to suddenly they're now attacking Obama over doing something they granted authority for. How about telling your elected officials to vote no next time since that'd actually do something useful?

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