Published: Saturday, June 8 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
1984, here we are. I just love the words of our fearless Dear Leader,
"Trust me.""'Will you walk into my parlour?'
said the Spider to the Fly."
Disgusting. To think this is what it has come to. Creepy at best, diabolical at
worst. They dont' need all this data. And it will cost our society billions
to store it. They can already get warrants for phones on the fly, they
don't need this power. The sheer waste of money here should offend
all of us.
When the government discards the Constitution and takes power and authority to
itself, we end up with the government listening to our phone calls, reading our
email, and tracking our whereabouts via GPS. Who gave the
government that authority? The Constitution prohibits the government from doing
that. Where is the Amendment that changed the Constitution? It's time to throw out everyone in government who believes that their
"right to spy" is derived from governmental authority and not blocked by
the Constitution. It's time to use a "litmus test" of each and
every elected official. It's time that we held them accountable to the
oath that each took to defend the Constitution against the very things that they
Pretend Bush said it.
We have nothing to worry about if we're not plotting with terrorists? I
have three letters to refute that notion: I-R-S. I don't want government
flagging me because the websites and the news I read reveals me as a person who
values economic freedom. We've seen what the IRS can do to people with
those kinds of views. Just posting a comment like this one puts me at risk of
police state persecution.
The hypocrisy of the Obama administration and the American left is
mind-bogglingly shocking. So let me get this straight- if a Republican does it
it's bad but if a Democrat does it it's no big deal. Nothing to see
here folks. The AP is so accustomed to carrying the water for this
Administration that even after it was revealed that Eric Holder's Justice
dept was spying on their reporters they still cover and whitewash scandals for
this Admin. Read the front page story today regarding the NSA. It was like
reading an article straight from Pravda. I don't think this story is
nearly as disturbing though as the travesty at the IRS. I've always assumed
my calls, emails, texts etc were monitored in some way (not that I'm
special) The ACA legislation Democrats passed assures that every citizen will be
monitored and have their data collected form birth to death. With 6 thousand
additional IRS agents to insure compliance. They own you lock, stock, and barrel
now- thanks Democrats- I always wanted to live under a totalitarian regime.
It's over. Privacy is a relic of the past. I can't help but believe
that our "benevolent" government is only telling us what will keep the
masses submissive. We don't know even the half of it. As the Borg always
said, "Resistance is futile."
@red state pride"nd the American left is mind-bogglingly shocking. So
let me get this straight- if a Republican does it it's bad but if a
Democrat does it it's no big deal."I've consistently
opposed it from the start. More Democrats in Congress voted against the 2011
reauthorization of the Patriot Act than voted for it. Only one senator of either
party (Feingold, D-WI) opposed it in 2001 so Democrats are only trending towards
MORE opposition, not less.
@red state pride: if you think all this is a Democrat Party's doing,
you're sadly mistaken. This has been a bi-partisan effort all the way. Our
own congressmen have been enablers, even if unwittingly. They've acted as
window dressing who are part of the grand scheme of misdirection going on under
the surface. Our so-called "watch-dog" press has been lulled into
obedient pacification to boot. Like I said, we don't know the half of it.
ok girls, calm down. it's as if you thought nobody was paying attention to
the chatter before? many people have lost more due to excessive private secrecy
as 'privy groups' assume they can callously deprive others of
opportunities, business, and simultaneously cause massive economic unbalance.
terror is not confined to literal death, it also affects social structure and
the distinct thrust by certain financial groups to demand specific benefits.
I did not mind it when BUsh had the Patriot act. The problem is that Dems hated
that, but when they do it 10 times more it is ok. What hypocrites.
Isn't this a violation of citizens privacy? My goodness! Will there be an
end to this administrations arrogance and greed for power? Lies after lies,
scandal after scandal! Whatever happened to the most transparent administration
ever in America's history? Truly America is being fundamentally
transformed before our very eyes just like they promised, and yet still too many
people are either blind to it or don't care at all! I am so afraid for the
future of our children and our country. We are sadly a nation now run by a
power hungry government dominated by people who pretend to be in office to serve
the nation when in reality serving themselves and their selfish agendas. We
seriously need to establish term limits for those folks. And we need folks with
integrity, honesty, and are trustworthy. Are there any left in America? Unless
we clean house and reform Washington, I'm afraid we the people are doomed.
May God help us!
To Mainly MeYou forgot the Frog & Scorpion proverb.Re: SEY 8:24a today"I can't help but believe that our
"benevolent" government is only telling us what will keep the masses
submissive."Bread & circuses. *As the Borg
always said, "Resistance is futile."*and compliance is lame.
@Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahIt's time to throw out
everyone in government who believes that their "right to spy" is derived
from governmental authority and not blocked by the Constitution. It's time
to use a "litmus test" of each and every elected official. It's
time that we held them accountable to the oath that each took to defend the
Constitution against the very things that they are doing.7:10 a.m. June 8,
2013=========== Let's see...Patriot Act
expansion and extension vote 2011.Utah delegation:Ayes:Orrin HatchJason ChaffetzJim MathesonNays:Mike Lee,Rob Bishop.Pres, Obama simply signed
what THEY gave him.FYI - Mike,My hands are clean, my conscious
is clear. I didn't vote for any of them, did you?
What I think most people are failing to grasp is how this Surveillance is a real
threat to democracy itself.Consider all the future senators,
congressmen, diplomats, and presidents et al out there at the moment using all
these services. No doubt over the 20 years of adolescence and 30 years of
adulthood leading up to powerful positions, personal information will be
gathered on these future leaders.This information will then be used
against them to either stop them from rising further into power or to be
controlled when in power. We then stop being a democracy and turn
into a society where the powerful are controlled, not by the people but by the
people who hold the information
People who cry about law enforcement, government rules and regulations and work
vigorously to prevent government from interfering with their right to do wrong
are usually referred to as criminals. The only reason we as a people
have any freedom at all is because of government that prevents the bad guys in
our world from making us slaves. It is the bad guys influencing our government
that would prevent government from protecting us. The notion of
personal privacy as a sphere around us should be regarded as a shrinking sphere
depending on the population and technology increase in our world. Back on the
ranch we could do and say any thing we wanted in our front yard, our personal
privacy sphere extended to the horizon in every direction. Today our sphere of
personal privacy ends at our lips and at the end of our fingers. To expect that
the notion of personal privacy extends beyond that is foolish. Technology exists to see, hear and record just about everything you do. To
think that government is the only ones using that technology to their advantage
just as foolish.
The notion that "cleaning house" will solve anything is, I'm sorry
to say, naive. Congress and the Senate are not in charge. Like I said,
they're not much more than window dressing to distract us from what's
happening behind the scenes. Voting is nothing more than an exercise in
pacification. Pass the Kool-Aid.
The government needs money to run. Shut it off. The government needs Congress
to approve all spending. Fire those who spend for any unauthorized spending. No
spending can happen unless the CEO (Obama) enforces that spending. Fire him if
signs any check (permits) any unconstitutional spending.Note to
airnaut: Don't get too comfortable. Without government spending,
you'll be out of work just like anyone else who lives off government
spending. You might think that YOUR job is irreplaceable, but there are many of
us who would disagree. Looking over our shoulder is not a duty
authorized by the Constitution. Many mock the Constitution. Many more mock
those who insist that we all abide by the Constitution. Some even mock the
Constitution, those who stand for the Constitution, and those Congressmen who
vote to uphold the Constitution (Mike Lee and Rob Bishop) while they take home
huge salaries because of unauthorized government spending.It's
time to clean house - completely.
Well perhaps you all should have chimed in 7 YEARS ago instead of supporting
BUSH no matter what he did. Republicans made sure to support the
telecommunications act 5 years ago as well.I've emailed the
president and contacted my republican congressmen. Have you?So now
here we are. I guarantee you can get liberal support to stop domestic spying on
citizens but will republicans demand it out of their next candidate? And then will you accept the consequences when there is another terrorist
@red state pride"So let me get this straight- if a Republican does it
it's bad but if a Democrat does it it's no big deal. "Uh... most Democrats oppose this kind of thing. Most of them in Congress voted
against the Patriot Act extension. We just don't think doing something
legal (that we don't think should be the law but is) qualifies as an
impeachable offense. On the flip side however we've gone from conservatives
telling us that if you oppose the Patriot Act you're weak on defense and
their unanimous support of it, to them still voting by majority for the
extensions of the Patriot Act and FISA (roughly 3:1 for while Democrats were 2:1
against), to suddenly they're now attacking Obama over doing something they
granted authority for. How about telling your elected officials to vote no next
time since that'd actually do something useful?
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