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Published: Thursday, June 6 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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JWB
Kaysville, UT

This is part of the facility in the Point of the Mountain that is will analyze the data for future and current uses. Nothing is off limits for the Agency and especially the new National Security Adviser that we can trust who was on every form of Sunday news programs after Benghazi and got promoted to that position after her extraordinary performance as the United States Ambassador to the United Nations.

When the President nominated this lady that we don't have confidence in and with problems in cybersecuriy, she will provide all her expertise in how to protect the President and those Department and Agency heads and Cabinet members that subvert the government security processes by having a Secret e-mail account. FOIA is indirectly part of our security system and protection for our citizens. Federal bureaucrats have never enjoyed FOIA, especially those appointed by the President. It curtails their freedoms, or so they think and believe.

If Verizon and other national carriers are doing this, is this like having the Jewish citizens in Warsaw and other places registering? Similar but at least the Jewish people knew they were registering. We don't know what the government is doing.

Tators
Hyrum, UT

The article emphasizes that this very broad government surveillance program has and is being done under a cloak of secrecy. What does that really say about Obama's promise to have "the most transparent administration in U.S. history"? Just another broken campaign promise??
It's quickly becoming the kind of "transparency" that is now very difficult to see through... very dark... and seemingly getting darker by the week.

Before any staunch Obama supporter starts in on how this was started under George Bush, please note that he wasn't the one who made all of those transparency promises about a totally open to the people government. Only Obama did that. The things about his administration that we can no longer believe is now becoming a list... and quickly getting longer.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

If it is only Verizon, it is an arbitrary and capricious decision by the most transparent, open and frank discussion administration on the face of the earth. Having lived in countries with dictators, presidents under martial law and tyrants, I didn't fear that those governments were doing this type of search and seizure without letting us know. At least in some countries, they only had me get out of the bus and search or put a gun in my ribs and tell me I couldn't walk there anymore on the sidewalk I had walked on for 6 months.

I knew what they were doing. However, electronic surveillance is much more intrusive now but this is a country with freedoms, not one run by a sole source contract with America.

What about text messages as they are handled differently?

Our civil liberties have come down to a fine line in the past 12 years since 9/11 and the Patriot Act. What has been determined to be legal and authorized when the administration puts out some things that would be classified and a PFC gets tried for sending out classified messages. There are differences but the PFC could use that defense.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Thank BO for turning the NSA into the Stasi.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@lost in DC
Under power granted with full GOP support and started under Bush, your side is hardly free from blame here. As for me, I'll stand with senators like Udall, Wyden, and the ousted Feingold who opposed this kind of thing from the very start and still oppose it now (along with the more recently elected Paul Cruz and Lee who presumably opposed it then and now) regardless of which party controls the White House, not just when it's conveniently the other party.

4601
Salt Lake City, UT

Somewhat hilarious that the Democrats castigated Bush for the Patriot Act and now the WH is using it illegally to monitor US residents. The PA specifically excluded domestic monitoring. Don't blame Bush for Obama's abuses, but that's asking a lot from the left.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

Actually wiretaps started under Clinton. Not trying to be biased, I think both parties should go down.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

How can anybody think we are free when this kind of thing goes on? This isn't the greatest country on the earth anymore it's just like any other country where the government controls everything and the populace are their unoffical slaves.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

If you read the article and are against this, if you don't trust Diane Feinstein with your phone information then why in the world would you trust her on gun restrictions?

BYUtah Fan
Herriman, UT

This is absolutely outrageous. Private communications of millions of law abiding people are monitored by the government with no probable cause. 1984 has arrived 29 years later than predicted.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

The Communications Capabilities Development Programme (CCDP) is a UK government initiative to create a ubiquitous mass surveillance scheme for the United Kingdom. It would involve the logging of every telephone call, email and text message between every inhabitant of the UK, (but would not record the actual content of these emails) and is intended to extend beyond the realms of conventional telecommunications media to log communications within social networking platforms such as Twitter and Facebook.

On the other hand....

Every time you fill a prescription at a drug store like Walgreens, the pharmacy keeps a record of the transaction, noting information such as your name, the drug, the dosage, and the issuing doctor. It’s a routine bit of bookkeeping, and for a long time it raised few eyebrows. Then a firm called IMS Health starting buying up the data. Mining pharmacy records, the company assembled profiles of hundreds of thousands of American doctors and millions of individual patients, with names and other identifying details encrypted. IMS Health turned around and sold access to those files to pharmaceutical companies, making it easier for the firms to target (and reward) the physicians most likely to prescribe expensive, brand-name drugs.

sg
newhall, CA

Why? The reasoning is suspect. This is intrusive to our privacy. This government has no business monitoring all our phones, medical records, bank accounts etc. This is communism. Russia, Tunisia, Iraq, Iran, China et al do this sort of thing. I find it disturbing that not one word has come out in protest from members of Congress, including Hatch.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

This program has been operational for seven years now. That doesn't make it right, but it was started by Bush, not Obama.

@JWB: The President's National Security Adviser does not run the NSA.

m.g. scott
clearfield, UT

I'll bet the vast majority of ACLU people, People for the American Way, Move On, ect. voted for Obama. Wonder how these "civil libertarians" feel about all this stuff that is being uncovered about the Obama Administration. This story, the IRS scandle, investigating reporters. In the past they would be going crazy if this were a Republican Administration. They seem strangly quiet now. I am not surprised, but maybe some of you are having your eyes opened to the truth about these and other liberal groups.

tabuno
Clearfield, UT

Unfortunately there is no absolute right or wrong here, only grayness. The value between freedom and today's terrorism cannot be easily put into separated boxes. Unless Americans are willing to see increased terrorist bombing and the murder of innocent people within our Country like is now typical in other countries, than our absolute freedoms and liberties will necessarily be curtailed. It's the price we pay. It's a political choice, not a matter of who is right or wrong. You choose. I wouldn't want to be the person to have to make these decisions.

I would agree there is the valid concern that with such surveillance power, the power to abuse it is very great and that I can only hope our Congressional Intelligence Committees elected by the people are monitoring the FISA Court which monitors our Country's surveillance programs.

RepresentBlue
West Jordan, UT

This just confirms what many have long predicted. The Federal government has grown too big, and become too oppressive. It has grown FAR beyond the limits prescribed by the US Constitution and by the Founding Fathers, and now it is trampling the Bill of Rights under its massive heel. The 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and 10th Amendments have all come under attack from this Administration, and its recent predecessors. The 2nd Amendment, in particular, is under the heaviest attack because once that is taken away all opposition will have been removed and the rest of the Bill of Rights will fall soon afterwards.

worf
Mcallen, TX

I knew someone would blame Bush. I can't justify stealing because someone else did it ten years ago.

Wrong is wrong. Obama said he wouldn't do this in a 2009 speech, and again proves his word is no good.

Our administration is a mockery to the founding fathers, and all those who gave their lives for this country.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

"...Before any staunch Obama supporter starts in on how this was started under George Bush, please note that he wasn't the one who made all of those transparency promises about a totally open to the people government. Only Obama did that. The things about his administration that we can no longer believe is now becoming a list... and quickly getting longer...".

Lindsay Graham, Conservative Republican Senator from South Carolina as well as the rabid leader of every investigation/conspiracy theory under the sun, has no problem supporting President Obama on this issue.

Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., chairman of the House intelligence committee, said the effort is not "data mining," and has helped quash a terrorist attack on U.S. soil in the past few years. He would not elaborate.

Neither of these men could be ever be convicted of being a staunch supporter of President Obama.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

Who here voted for Orrin Hatch, Jason Chaffetz, Rob Bishop, and/or Jim Matheson?

If you did,then you voted for this.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

atl134, Roland
regardless of when the act was passed, THIS gross abuse of civil liberties massively expanded under the BO misadministration. blaming bush is lame. Cain killed Abel, so does that mean we can kill someone, too?

BO ALSO voted to renew and extend the Patriot Act.

if you voted for BO, you voted for this.

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