AZUTE1:When it comes to football, we are constantly reminded by Ute
fans that games played during the '70s, '80s, and '90s are
irrelevant, that only records since 2000 count, and that recent head-to-head
results between BYU and Utah are the ONLY factor to consider when determining
the relative strength of the programs.Using that logic, and in light
of Dave Rose's remarkable 12-3 ownage of Huntsman Junior High aka
University of Utah in basketball, then one can conclude that BYU is the
up-and-coming program in the state while Utah is fading and living on past
I actually think what coach Rose is alluding to is intriguing. I agree with
other posters that Collinsworth is more of a slasher and get in the paint type
player. If BYU fans step back and think a minute...on last years squad who could
slash and break down defenses better than Collinsworth? Answer: no one, and that
hurt BYUs ability to get open shots both inside and outside...one of the more
important duties of a PG is to get those open shots for other players (why do
you think Tony Parker is such a great PG for San Antonio...it's certainly
not because of his perimeter shooting ability). I agree with other posters as
well regarding our bigs. We have to get more depth in the paint. Hopefully Mika
will be as tough and talented as he's projected to be.
@Lo Cal Reader"Why stop there? I've seen a lot of the good high
school teams institute the 3-guard systeme as well."FYI...a lot
of really good D-1 programs run a 3 guard offense. It's pretty common as a
matter of fact....and successful. Especially in tournament play.
RE: AZUTE1"Cue the comments regarding UTAH's challenges in
replacing our Legend, etc., but prestige on the national stage is earned via The
NCAA Tourney and the disparity between UTAH/byu over the years couldn't be
remotely greater than it actually is."If the clock starts in
2004 for Utah/BYU football, maybe it should for basketball as well. Since
then...NCAA tournament appearances:Utah, 2 (+1 CBI
appearance)BYU, 6 (+2 NIT appearances)NCAA tournament winsUtah, 3BYU, 5Take out 2004 and Utah has ZERO tournament wins
but BYU still has five. You're right, there is a disparity, just not the
one you were hoping for. Go Cougs!
Agree with provocougar. Collinsworth is a utility player and knows how to win.
Beating LP all those years shows it, and the fact that he was the team's
leading rebounder in the Sweet 16 run after his older brother couldn't
play, Rodgers got hurt, and Davis left school shows that he can step up when the
need is there.Regardless of where he plays, having KC, Carlino and
Haws on the court at the same time could be a very good thing this year. It
might be that Rose is preparing Cougar fans for a lot of "small ball"
next year (+ Mika).
Credibility on individual posting is impacted by the truthfulness of what an
individual actually says... You can figure out the credibility on your own as it
relates to the individual who frequently posts from Arizona... It's lacking
to say the least.How anyone that claims to be a supporter of the
school on the hill can even comment on the sport of Basketball makes me
chuckle... One simply needs to look at the record this school has against the
Cougs over the last 7 years... 1-12... Sad but true... Then, if we were to take
it one step further and compare the highly touted Arizona Wildcats record
against the Cougs over the past 5 years it would read 0-2... with an average
loss diferential of almost 30 points per game... Ouch.If I were this
individual I would be waiting and hoping for Gymnastic season because that is
really the only sport that his team can legitimately claim superiority over the
Cougs... Again, sad for them but true.
I like the options that BYU now has on the outside. My worry is still if the
two newcomers, Mika and Worthington along with Austin and Sharp can carry the 4
and 5 positions. I wish BYU had been able to pick up one more quality big
man.Regardless, should be a fun year with an excellent shot at the
"Collinsworth played considerable minutes as a freshman on the 2010-11 team.
Led by Jimmer Fredette and Jackson Emery, that squad reached the Sweet 16 of the
NCAA tournament."byu's first Sweet 16 since the Ainge-led
Elite 8 run 30+ years ago, and this was with their most celebrated player ever,
in JF.I get byu fans confused the attention received nationally
regarding JF as an indication of what they actually accomplished on the court
with regard to the national stage and this provides their reality-check for
them.Cue the comments regarding UTAH's challenges in replacing
our Legend, etc., but prestige on the national stage is earned via The NCAA
Tourney and the disparity between UTAH/byu over the years couldn't be
remotely greater than it actually is.National leader in Tourney
appearances without ever reaching The Final Four....Prestigious designation for
byu, to say the very least.
BYU will be very lucky to have three very special guards that should compliment
each other very well. I guess I have been watching a different Kyle Collinsworth
for the last several years. He fills a real need for BYU, a true leader and a
great passer. He also is a total winner. He never lost to Lone Peak. As for
shooting, I guess 48 percent from the field is not good enough. In high school
he shot over fifty percent from both the three point line and from the field.
Check out his stats from High School. He averaged almost a triple double. He was
an NBA Top 100 player. And he was good enough to play all five positions at BYU,
including guarding Delaldova out front and Gonzaga and Florida bigs in the back.
He also had over 30 rebounds in the NCAA tournament. Fans shouldn't judge a
player that played with Jimmer his senior year. He made all of his teammates
worse because he controlled the ball. Was Noah better with or without Jimmer? I
am excited to watch BYU next year. KC will make the team better in every way.
@GD... I think that you are wrong... I look to BYU to surprise this year...
Austin will be alot more agressive on Offense, as will Sharp and I think Mika
will make a significant splash... Carlino will be better and more consistent and
Haws will be consistent as well... I expect a 25 Win season with a trip to the
Coach Rose will always be guard oriented, hope assist coaches can recruit,
develop the bigs...still true that bb at highest level requires height,
rebounding, wide, strength around basket,
I don't like Carlino or Collinsworth at point guard. Collinsworth's
strength is penetration. He is not a good shooter. I'm hoping Bartley and
Halford can play the position. Bartley's a freshman and may not be ready
for that responsibility. Rose is a good coach and I'm sure he'll use
the players where they'll help the team the most. Lacking a power forward
will hurt the Y this year. We'll see a lot of 3 guards playing together.
I'm looking forward to watching them even though we will be a very average
I like Kyle as a player... He's more of a slasher than a spot up shooter,
He's got good quickness, he's a good defender and a very good
rebounder for his size... He seemed hesitant to shoot the 3 ball, but then he
had Jimmer and Emery on the floor with him...He's very
versatile and can play 1,2,3, or 4 at the Division I level... although his
natural position is probably a #3... I really don't recall seeing him play
#1 his Freshman year, but he was a good ball handler and more risk adverse than
Carlino... I do remember that on occasion when the team was pressed (man to man)
he would clear the ball in the back court but seldom if ever did I see him with
the ball at the top of the key running the offense...In fact, as I
recall his missed free throw on a 2 shot foul at the end of regulation that
would have put us in the elite 8 against Butler was shot while he was playing
the #4 poition and the foul occured on a rebound and put-back opportunity.He'll help us alot this year.
gamer:Care to reveal your source for that? And "I saw it in a
dream" doesn't count.
Mildred:One thing's for sure: They certainly will be the best
guard combo in the stete.When is that powerful PAC-12 program up on
the hill going to be able to beat Weber State and USU?
Here's the real story. Collinsworth and his parents before signing with BYU
and during his mission have claimed that he'd transfer if Kyle didnt get to
play at the PG guard spot. Seeing that he can do everything but shoot- then, if
the shooting came around then a 1 or a 2 would be the only positions he could
play in the NBA. They know his only chance to get in the league is at the guard
spot and so that's where he'll play when coach Rose can aviod using
him at the 3 or at desperate times at the 4. When Kyle played the 4 in the NCAA
tournament a few years ago his parents weren't happy at all. They want
scouts to see his guard potential.
Collingsworth needs a lot of work on his shot before I'd be too excited
about him playing a guard spot.Scary...Smart, athletic
player - but point guard?
What that article really says is this "I really hope Kyle can handle the
point, so I can move Carlino to his real position as a scoring guard". KC
doesn't need to score a ton from that position. BYU is an inside out team
and Carlino is not a good decision maker with ball.
"Some of my best teams in junior college...." Hmmmmm. We're going
to compare Juco basketball to a major Div. 1 program? Odd quote. Why stop there?
I've seen a lot of the good high school teams institute the 3-guard systeme
This is a reader's comment forum. Readers are readers and not coaches. None
of them say they are coaches and none of them say they know more than coaches.
They are expressing their opinions. Some readers have played and coached and
watched and are reasonably intelligent...all of which entitles them to an
opinion...and to be criticized for their opinions...but not really for being
readers and not coaches. Keep those reader opinions
coming...that's what this comment board is for.
totally agree with those who call out Collinsworth for his offensive skills.
when I heard that he was Utah high school player of the year for 2 years I was
so excited to watch him play. when I saw his shooting form I almost fainted.
It's always great to hear from those who always know better than the coach.
I'm sure they've had the years of experience coaching, attend all the
practices, and are excellent judges of talent. I'm sure if they only had
the chance they could surely be the best coach in BYU basketball history.
I must shout out a loud "BUTTERSCOTCH" at Rose's comments. I loved Collinsworth as a freshman player and look forward to having him
back. However, the problem with him is that he has struggled offensively in
getting his own shot. Certainly, Carlino never has seen a shot he wouldn't
take and he does not share Collinsworth's shortcomings. However, I was
befuddled that Rose would make the statements reported in this article.Is this Rose's effort at misdirection -- since the Cougars definitely
need front court help and lack experience at Power Forward and Center? Why
focus on guard play? Duh, me! I don't get it . . . but I do get that BYU
has been getting killed inside by teams with good bigs.
Love Mildred. Always brings good perspective...keep 'em coming girl...
Agree with Vladhagen. Collinsworth seems to be good at everything except
shooting. Not sure if he would fit really well at point guard. And BYU already
has Carlino with Bartley and Halford as backups, so it's not like they NEED
more guys at that position. But Collinsworth will definitely help the team,
wherever he plays.
Be interesting to see who gets playing time with that many gurds on scholarship
With these two, we could have the best back court in the country.
I always thought that Collinsworth played SF........he did not seem to really
have the outside shot to play guard, and his height is more fitting for a 3. I
hope that he can get better at free throws at the very least. Although maybe he
could bring a good alternative to PG. I always liked the guy when he was on the
floor, so it is good to have him back at any rate.