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  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2013 9:41 p.m.

    @ Bluto

    Pejorative rants? Your hyperbole is silly. I posted my opinion about the current standing of BYU football (without insulting anybody or taking cheap shots). Clearly it holds some merit because instead of responding to the points I made, you took the chance to take pot shots at Utah and talk about everything except football.

    Congrats on the WCC Com. cup. That is an award BYU should win every single year. BYU is bigger and better in virtually every imaginable way compared to the rest of the WCC. I think the Cougars belong in a better conf.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    June 8, 2013 3:27 p.m.

    @Two for

    Let us know when Utah competes for a Conference Title, in any sport.
    As of now, they're bringing up the rear in the Pac 11.1, in every sport.
    And Academically.

    Meanwhile, BYU just won the WCC Commisioners Cup, indicative of the best overall athletic program. Just as BYU did every year, while in the WAC and Mtn. West, winning over half of all Championships over 40 years.

    Something Utah never did.

    BYU plays for BYU, her fans and exposure.
    They have it in spades, while Utah is nowhere to be found.

    Your pejorative rants notwithstanding.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2013 12:09 p.m.

    BYU had a great run and nobody can take that from you, so enjoy the trophies and past memories. However, what needs to be acknowledged here is that all of those awards and accomplishments have done absolutely nothing for BYU. Not one of the Big 5 conferences even gave BYU the time of day during all the expansion and re-shuffling. The reality is that BYU is just another "good" mid-major who doesn't even have the excitement of competing for a conference title. The best season BYU fans can realistically hope for is a ranked finish and a win in a mid-level bowl game.

  • Y>U Anaheim, CA
    June 6, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    National Accomplishments

    BYU
    1 National Championship
    1 Heisman Trophy winner
    6 National College Football Hall of Fame Players
    1 Doak Walker Award winner (nation's best running back)
    4 Davey O'Brien Award winners (nation's best quarterback)
    7 Sammy Baugh Trophy winners (nation's best passer)
    2 Outland Trophy winners (nation's best interior lineman)

    17 AP Top 25 finishes
    18 Coaches 25 finishes

    ----------

    Utah
    0 National Championships
    0 Heisman Trophy winners
    0 National College Football Hall of Fame Players
    0 Doak Walker Award winner (nation's best running back)
    0 Davey O'Brien Award winners (nation's best quarterback)
    0 Sammy Baugh Trophy winners (nation's best passer)
    0 Outland Trophy winners (nation's best interior lineman)

    5 AP Top 25 finishes
    7 Coaches 25 finishes

    but we beat BYU a whole bunch, especially back in the days before color television

    ----------

    While BYU's Hall of Fame trophy cases are brimming with national awards, Utah's trophy closet easily accommodates Utah's giant goose egg of national awards.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 6, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    Y>U

    U call them excuses; I call them legitimate reasons why BYU wasn't very competitive during its first 40 football seasons.

    What's your whiny excuse for not even cracking the AP Top 25 in your first 100 seasons?

  • U West of I15, UT
    June 6, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    @Mcnasty.....Let me know when the cougies play in let alone win a Fiesta, Sugar, Rose, or Orange bowl. Once that happens I will give them credit for making it happen. Let me ask you Mcnasty if the cougies are so much better than Utah and have such a better history. Why is it they have never played in one of these bowls? There so much better than Utah, right? If that's the case answer me honestly why has Utah won two of these bowls yet the cougies have never even played in one?

    @Sports fan..."Since 1965, BYU is 29-19 versus Utah."

    Good work laying out the excuses cougie fan's are famous for excuses for losing games to Utah. Anybody can go out and grab the years their team looks better. That dosen't change the fact that Utah absolutley dominates this series overall.

    If we just want to pick a year to start then I'll go with since 1993 Utah is 13 - 7 against BYU or why not go since 2002 Utah is 8 - 3 against BYU.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    June 5, 2013 11:32 p.m.

    SportsFan

    To put BYU's 3-year (1943 to 1945) break from football in perspective:

    When the NCAA handed down the so-called "death penalty" by canceling SMU's entire 1987 schedule and part of the 1988 season, SMU opted to sit out the entire 1988 season as well after school officials determined it would be impossible to field a viable team after missing a little over a year.

    The severity of the penalty left the SMU football program in shambles. The Mustangs had only one winning season over the next 20 years and failed to make another bowl game until 2009. To date, it is one of the most severe penalties ever imposed on a Division I program, and the only time the NCAA has canceled a football-playing school's entire season at any level.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2013 10:41 p.m.

    Sportsfan

    Nice summary; it puts Utah's early "domination" in the series into perspective.

    Thanks.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 5, 2013 7:25 p.m.

    2B

    Utah had been playing football for THIRTY years before BYU started their program in 1922. Their first team consisted entirely of 1st-year, walkons with only a handful of Freshman, a brand new coaching staff, and practically no budget. It wasn't until 1925 that BYU even had a handful of 4-year players. 30 of the first 40 games in the series were played at Utah because BYU didn't even have a football stadium of their own.

    17 losses and 3 ties later, BYU finally won it's first game against Utah, in 1942.

    Because of World War II, BYU then suspended its football program until 1946, while Utah continued right on playing. Only SIX players from BYU's 1942 team returned in 1946, NONE with more than one-year's playing experience, so once again BYU was starting from scratch.

    To say that the odds were stacked entirely in Utah's favor from 1922 to 1961 is a gross understatement.

    Then, BYU decided to get serious about football, joined Utah in 1962 to help create the WAC, built their own football stadium, and in 1965 began leaving Utah in the dust.

    Since 1965, BYU is 29-19 versus Utah.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    June 5, 2013 3:44 p.m.

    Re: 2BCSWINS

    Did you win an NC? NO! But you Ute fans on BYU articles crow like you did. You were a bride's maid and nothing more. Nobody cares about 2nd best or 5th best except you and your other little brothers up North. You were not first. You don't have an NC, you don't have a Heisman, Davey O'Brien, Doak Walker, 17 top 15 finishes and multiple times more conferences championships than you. We also have been recognized by Athlon as a football dynasty. Oh, and somewhere amongst the plethora of awards there is a coach of the year award to boot.

    Let's compare trophy cases shall we. BYU's is full. And yours? Maybe you can go to the nearest trophy shop and buy a couple of dozen or so to fill it up.

    You and your ilk and the only fans in the country that point to a 2nd place finish almost five years ago.

    Just like little brothers, Ute fans make a lot of noise on BYU articles in an exercise in futility to attract attention. Well, you attract attention, but not relevance.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    "AND utah hasn't even played the top two teams in the PAC 12 yet."

    ...Neither has BYU. In fact, the only two PAC teams BYU played with a winning record beat the Cougars easily...at home.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    June 5, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    @Mcnasty...FYI: When Utes fans that comment on articles stop trying to minimize BYU's accomplishments, I will likewise comply. That's a good deal for you since I have a lot more material to work with.

    When the cougies reach a bowl thats BCS caliber let alone win it I'll start recognizing their accomplishments. To date their two biggest bowl win's is the cotton bowl and holiday bowl. Tell you what once they reach let alone win one of the following bowls I'll give them all the credit in the world. Until then you can minimize whatever you want but the fact remains Utah has not only reached but won as well two of these bowls. The cougies have never even been to the dance. Yes they won nat title in 84 but they didnt have to prove theirself in one of these bowls against a top 5 team like Utah did in 2008.

    Rose
    Fiesta
    Sugar
    Orange

  • Sandyclaws Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    AZUTE1:

    "BYU has played against 5 PAC-12 teams to date. They are 2-3."

    And in the same time period utah is 7-11 vs. the PAC 12. Ergo BYU > utah. 66.7% > 63.6%

    AND utah hasn't even played the top two teams in the PAC 12 yet.

    This is too easy. LOL

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 5, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    @Howie

    Ouch...Swoop just owned U.

    U know what's great, Howie? No matter how much U wish BYU's National Championship didn't count, it still does, and will forever count in the records of college football (and be more valid than the 'split championship' awarded in 2003 when those new rules U talked about resulted in a BCS champ with LSU, but an AP champ with USC).

    Which makes watching your whining about it all the more sweeter.

    Fun little factoid: there were two teams in the PAC last year who finished 9th or worse in football, basketball AND baseball...Washington St and Utah.

    How does it feel to know that your program is on the same level as WSU (and is as relevant as Wazzu, which is to say, not at all)?

    It's pathetic that BYU has lost to a program of that caliber for three years in a row, regardless of how flukey two of those losses were.

    It's even MORE pathetic that Utah IS a program of that caliber.

    No wonder you're here on BYU's boards...not much to cheer about over on Utah's.

    Lol!

    Go Cougars!

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    June 5, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    Re: 2BCSWINS

    I think it is obvious that the 16 players were not freshmen in the later years. Also, those players had graduated before Alabama won its last BCS NC. They won two as sophmores and seniors.

    Good try, but the fact remains they were freshmen when Utah them Alabama.

    Better luck next time.

    FYI: When Utes fans that comment on articles stop trying to minimize BYU's accomplishments, I will likewise comply. That's a good deal for you since I have a lot more material to work with.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    June 5, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    @Maq..." I guess teams that win the World Series or NBA finals against teams that beat them in the regular season aren't actually champions. I'll research to when that changed."

    I guess in your eyes and other cougie fan's eyes there shouldn't even be a world series, Superbowl, etc. At the end of the season they should just poll a bunch of people and the higher ranking wins the superbowl because head to head match up's don't matter no need to play the game....LOL

    @swoop.....Why list records starting in 1972? If were going to go back that far why don't you list us the records for the entire history and see who has the most wins?

    @Mcnasty..."Alabama team (best player was injured, did not play and of half of their starting offensive line injured and did not play; played 16 freshmen)"

    Those 16 freshmen have won 3 Nat titles following a loss to the utes I would say they were pretty good. Anybody trying to discredit a win against this team just looks foolish.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 5, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    ESPN2, second flagship station of the World Wide Leader in Sports

    Fox Sports 1... when U don't have enough fingers and toes to count to triple digits on your cable or satellite tuner.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    June 5, 2013 7:46 a.m.

    Re: Howard S.

    "BYU did them against WACish competition."

    And Utah did Nothing against WACish competition Howie. You can gnash your teeth all you want, but the fact remains BYU has an NC, you have none, nada, zip, zero. You have only two good years and 5 top 25 finishes in your entire program's history with the vast majority of those years playing WACish opponents.

    The only thing in your football trophy case is a trophy you won against a disinterested and injured Alabama team (best player was injured, did not play and of half of their starting offensive line injured and did not play; played 16 freshmen). Nothing else but dust Howie.

    Better watch out. The Utes only return 6 players on offensive and 6 players on defense which is the lowest in the PAC. You need to support your own team Howard, you will feel better.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    June 5, 2013 12:24 a.m.

    In the Howard S. tenure BYU ironically occupies 100% of the mental space of a person who claims BYU is not worth any time

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 4, 2013 11:10 p.m.

    @Swoop

    Texas did all those things against top tier competition.

    BYU did them against WACish competition.

    Did you know that BYU backed into it's NC without beating a single ranked team... the only such NC ever.

    And the rules were changed to ensure that a "BYU type" NC never occurred again.

    To pretend that BYU is even remotely equivalent to Texas is laughable.

    That's why BYU is on the outside looking in on the big boy table of college football.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2013 10:38 p.m.

    howie

    Included: BYU and Texas as National Champions, Heisman Trophy Winners, National Hall of Fame Players, Top 25 Dynasties, and perennial Top 25 teams

    Still waiting and waiting and waiting and ... : Utah

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 4, 2013 9:35 p.m.

    @Swoop

    Texas, Utah, BYU?

    I see two that are included and one that continues to wait... and wait... and wait by the phone.

  • Clark W. Griswold Sandy, Utah
    June 4, 2013 9:16 p.m.

    What good is national exposure, when you can't even beat the big name teams on national TV?

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2013 8:55 p.m.

    "ESPN, ESPN2 I dont get why people make a big deal out of the difference, makes none to me."
    According to the Deseret News earlier this year, a BYU game on ESPN gets 1.5 million viewers versus ESPN2 where they pull in a million. So for the BYU Texas game ESPN2, expect 1 million viewers.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 4, 2013 8:13 p.m.

    Hey Utes:

    Let the envy flow through your veins.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 4, 2013 7:35 p.m.

    @AZUTE1

    Wow, that's incredible, because everybody that I've talked to about the BYU/Utah game concluded that BYU obviously beat themselves that game. I mean, they out-gained Utah by almost 100 yds, Utah NEVER drove the length of the field on BYU, and BYU gifted the Utes an unforced error on a botched snap and fumble that led directly to a TD for Utah, which ultimately proved to be the difference in the game.

    Furthermore, other than that one 39-yard TD pass that the Cougar D gave up, BYU's D straight-up DOMINATED Utah, holding them to a little more than 200 yards for the game on their homefield.

    This was, unequivocally, a game BYU should have won, hands-down.

    Nice job with that, AZUTE1. It's nice to know that U understand completely that Utah's win over BYU was total luck, just like the OSU game over Utah apparently was as well.

    Lol!

    Go Cougars!

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    June 4, 2013 7:33 p.m.

    Looks like little bro's can't leave BYU articles alone again.

    The continued domination of BYU!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2013 7:28 p.m.

    to the hill dwelling apologists

    Average Sagarin ranking during the Independent/PAC era

    #30 BYU
    #50 Utah

    Despite your whiny spin, SOS is included in Sagarin's rankings. The main reason you're ranked so far below the Cougars isn't SOS, it's losing to unranked teams and losing teams like 10-loss Colorado.

  • JD Tractor Iowa City, IA
    June 4, 2013 7:26 p.m.

    Red checkered shirt suspender utes, don't worry about BYU's schedule or that ESPN 2 is on a hundred million tv sets, or that BYU is making national noise in football, basketball and baseball.

    You said were aren't your rival anymore, so be happy for the Cougs little bro! It's OK!

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    June 4, 2013 7:26 p.m.

    @ Howard S.

    And most of Utah's wins against ranked teams have come against BYU. So what is your point?

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    June 4, 2013 7:20 p.m.

    @AZUTE

    "UTAH gifted them 2 unforced TOs down by their own goal-line, resulting in 2 easy TDs...
    UTAH drove down near OSU's goal-line on another occasion, only to turn the ball over via a fumble on yet another unforced TO...The difference was UTAH committing unforced TOs, not OSU's D, which was merely in the right place at the right time, certainly not because they did anything even remotely spectacular."

    Can we make any more excuses? First of all,if you want to talk unforce errors, look at the gifts BYU gave to U the last couple of years. So is it OK to say that Utah didn't win those games, but that BYU gave it to them (unforced TO's)? Which is it? I guess it depends on if you are wearing the crimson lenses.

    Also, I thought that the whole point of playing defense was to be in the right place at the right. That is how you make a play, and the point of practicing.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2013 7:14 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    Conspicuously missing from your SOS whining is a comparison with Utah's win total since 1972

    Most wins since 1972

    #5 BYU - 357 wins since 1972 - SIXTEEN 10+ win seasons
    #7 Texas - 349 wins since 1972 - SIXTEEN 10+ win seasons
    #?? Utah - 269 wins since 1972 - SIX 10+ win seasons

    Feel free to try to make the argument that Utah's brief foray into the PAC 12 accounts for Utah's paltry win total.

    Sometimes is best just to remain silent...

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    June 4, 2013 6:57 p.m.

    This is the #1 game I want to watch on BYU's schedule this year. No game is better in my opinion. Texas is much improved, as is BYU. Texas struggled against any team with a decent defense. I think BYU will match up well with Texas. What a home game! Better than playing usu or Weber to begin the season that is for sure!

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 4, 2013 6:31 p.m.

    @maq
    @FelisConcolor

    Yes... BYU under Bronco has never beaten a ranked BCS team.

    And yes based on final polls... you know the teams that have proven themselves throughout the season.

    But if you include only those that were ranked at the time of the game... BYU gets beat 80% of the time... feel better now?

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2013 6:10 p.m.

    re: FelisConcolor

    College Football predictions in June are as meaningless as someone who uses them as the basis for an argument.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 4, 2013 5:38 p.m.

    That's a nother $6,000,000 to $8M for us! Cha-ching!

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    June 4, 2013 4:45 p.m.

    Howard S

    The assertion that Mendenhall has never beaten a ranked BCS team is misleading -- both Oklahoma and Oregon State were ranked when BYU beat them in 2009.

    Now if you're defining a BCS "ranked team" as one which finished the season in the top 25, then Whittingham's record isn't much better -- the only win he has against a ranked BCS team is the 2009 Sugar Bowl.

    Considering the Utes' record so far against PAC-12 teams with a winning record, I don't expect that to change any time soon.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    June 4, 2013 4:45 p.m.

    As long as the cougs don't take Ash out like they did Bradford in the OU game, my Longhorns will have a great outing on August 31st. Texas is set for a breakout season. Hook'em!!!

  • maq West Valley, Utah
    June 4, 2013 4:27 p.m.

    @ Howard S
    "btw... In Bronco's tenure BYU has lost 100% of its games against ranked BCS opponents." So desperate for attention that you're inventing false statistics? Check your sources closer next time. BTW. How many for utah with Witt? Shall I check? At least It will be correct.

    @Azute
    "This was, unequivocally, a game we should've won, hands-down." Funny how all utah fans on these boards claim that BYU fans say the same everytime they lose to utah. And I wasn't aware that because you beat a rival you are automatically a better team even if said rival has a better record with a similar SOS. I guess teams that win the World Series or NBA finals against teams that beat them in the regular season aren't actually champions. I'll research to when that changed.

    @Chris B
    still delirious as usual. Congrats on your auto win over FCS Weber St. utah may need some luck to finish better than 1-11. I'll agree with the 3-9 prediction. And one of those will not come against your wiser brother down south.

    @MacNasty
    AMEN! AT least with me and all other USC fans/alumni I know, we agree.

  • Frankenberry Saint George, UT
    June 4, 2013 4:21 p.m.

    . . . and it begins.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 4, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    @FelisConcolor

    What makes Cougar Nation think they will win their game against Utah State... or their final game against Utah?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 4, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    FelisConcolor--

    "Gotta love Ute fans. A 3-9 season (as per College Football News) is staring them in the face and they're still trolling BYU articles. Or maybe that's the reason they would rather talk about BYU...."

    Yet, nothing from you regarding this article, nor byu football in general. Nothing to add here?

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    June 4, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    Re: AZUTE1

    "BYU caught a down UT the last time around"

    Well, what goes around comes around AZ. Utah caught a discouraged and disinterested Alabama team in the Sugar Bowl. Alabama lost its #1 ranking and conference championship to Florida. Alabama lost its best player. Alabama lost half of its starting offensive line. Alabama played 16 freshmen.

    Yeah, Utah caught a down Alabama team last time around.

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    June 4, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    Gotta love Ute fans. A 3-9 season (as per College Football News) is staring them in the face and they're still trolling BYU articles. Or maybe that's the reason they would rather talk about BYU....

    Incidentally, what makes Ute fans think they will win their opening game against Utah State?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 4, 2013 3:37 p.m.

    @ Naval Vet--

    Anybody, including each and every OSU fan I spoke with following this game, immediately concluded how UTAH obviously beat themselves in this game. Not only did UTAH outgain OSU in total-yards by nearly 100, OSU drove the length of the field precisely once, all game long, and this was deep into the 2nd half. In other words, UTAH gifted them 2 unforced TOs down by their own goal-line, resulting in 2 easy TDs, which constituted 2/3 of OSU's total-points for the game. Furthermore, UTAH drove down near OSU's goal-line on another occasion, only to turn the ball over via a fumble on yet another unforced TO.

    The difference was UTAH committing unforced TOs and JWIV dropping a wide-open pass with only daylight between him and the endzone, not OSU's D, which was merely in the right place at the right time, certainly not because they did anything even remotely spectacular. Furthermore, other than that one, single 2nd half drive, UTAH's D straight dominated OSU, holding them to barely over 200 total-yards for the game on their homefield. This was, unequivocally, a game we should've won, hands-down.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 4, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    @Wiscougarfan

    Which team?

    I don't know... but what evidence do you have to think that BYU will fare better against a steady diet of BCS opponents than said "mystery" team?

    btw... In Bronco's tenure BYU has lost 100% of its games against ranked BCS opponents.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 4, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    "Well, AZUTE1, there is another team who has an nearly identical SOS to byu since 1972. That team has an overall record of 269-209 in that same time frame. I don't know where that ranks in total wins but I would guess not in the top 50. Guess which team I'm talking about?"

    Yet, only in utah county are such ridiculous comparisons thrown-out....TSK, TSK.

    Meanwhile, 3 straight, 4 of 5, 8 of 11 and the overall record by miles and miles, 56-34-4.

    Good times, brethren, good times, indeed!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2013 3:09 p.m.

    It's quite an interesting schedule, with so many middle tier teams on it that anything from 4-8 to 9-3 is plausible. (For the record I think Utah similarly ranges from 4-8 to 8-4).

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 4, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    RE: AZUTE1

    "BYU ranks No. 5 in total wins (357) since 1972 when Hall of Fame coach LaVell Edwards took over the program, while Big 12 power Texas is No. 7 in overall victories (349) in the same time frame."

    Conveniently missing from this reference is SOS. Imagine what the numbers would be, were the respective schedules swapped. LOL"

    Well, AZUTE1, there is another team who has an nearly identical SOS to BYU since 1972. That team has an overall record of 269-209 in that same time frame. I don't know where that ranks in total wins but I would guess not in the top 50. Guess which team I'm talking about?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 4, 2013 2:12 p.m.

    In the Bronco Mendenhall tenure BYU loses 85% of its games against ranked opponents.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 4, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    Next to the Miami game, this has the makings of being the best football in Utah history.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 4, 2013 1:54 p.m.

    AZUTE1:

    "byu has played against 5 PAC-12 teams to date. They are 2-3, beating 2 teams which finished at the bottom of the conference and getting absolutely brutally curb-stomped at home by the only 2 teams which finished the season with a winning-record."

    Not only that, but Utah fared better against those same Pac-12 teams. The 2 Pac-12 teams our little brother beat were Ore. St. (2011) and Wash. St. (2012).

    They beat the '11 Beavers by 10-pts, whereas the Utes beat them by 19. Edge: Utah.

    They beat the '12 Cougars by 24-pts, whereas the Utes beat them by 43. Edge: Utah.

    They lost to the '12 Beavers by 18-pts, whereas the Utes lost to them by 14. Edge: Utah.

    And of course, their OTHER 2 Pac-12 losses were to the Utes. In those 2 games, Utah outscored their WAC-ish and midmajorey little brother 78-31. Edge: Utah. HUGE edge!

    Essentially, for all our ineptitude vs. the Pac-12, holding only the 8th best conference record (ahead of WSU, CU, Ariz, and Cal), we sure fared better than little brother. Not sure what they're jeering at

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    June 4, 2013 1:53 p.m.

    @AZUTE,

    "Curb-stomped"?? Is this like "bush-wacked", hog-tied", or one of those other good 'ole Western Movie terms you guys use down there in AZ??

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 4, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    In the Bronco Mendenhall tenure BYU loses 54% of it's games against BCS opponents.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 4, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    Lose your opening game on espn2...Or...

    Win your opening game on Fox Sports?

    If you can't handle Chris' comments...
    You Can't Handle the Truth.

    Go Utes.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 4, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    For those of you byu fans pointing to UTAH's PAC-12 record following merely 2 years as a member of this BCS conference, as if byu would've done as well/any better, consider this--

    byu has played against 5 PAC-12 teams to date. They are 2-3, beating 2 teams which finished at the bottom of the conference and getting absolutely brutally curb-stomped at home by the only 2 teams which finished the season with a winning-record. They're also 0-2 against UTAH.

  • Denver2Portland Denver, CO
    June 4, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    ESPN is better any day than the Fox Sports 10.2 Network, or whatever it's called.

    Chris B, dont be jealous.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 4, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    "BYU ranks No. 5 in total wins (357) since 1972 when Hall of Fame coach LaVell Edwards took over the program, while Big 12 power Texas is No. 7 in overall victories (349) in the same time frame."

    Conveniently missing from this reference is SOS. Imagine what the numbers would be, were the respective schedules swapped. LOL

    byu caught a down UT the last time around and can look forward to receiving an absolute blood-bath administered upon them by The Longhorns in 2013. In 2011, UT struggled at home to put away a patsy-byu which UTAH absolutely brutally curb-stomped on their homefield the following week, 54-10.

    Hook 'em Horns!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    June 4, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    Great schedule...now let's win a few of these games, especially the close ones.

    btw D-News editor, can you cut out posters who say the same thing in 3 different posts or say the same thing on every post on every article? Worse than being off-topic is saying the same thing over and over regardless of the article. Not naming names...

  • Wow, that was awful Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2013 12:50 p.m.

    Chris B,
    Are you one of those fans that has a conference logo that is as big as your school's logo on your hat\t-shirt?
    How has that been going for you as a fan, this big conference of yours?
    Not so much to cheer about?

    Just beating your big brother down the road all that you hope for now?

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    June 4, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    Re: Chris B

    I rather think that the other PAC12 schools' fans are irritated by the fact that you mention, ad nuaseum, the Utes are part of their conference.

    At this point the Utes have done nothing to add to the prestige of the conference. Your continually riding the conference's coattails is pathetic.

    FYI: The BCS is dying and your use of a dead and broken system is overworked.

    The fact is that at present, the Utes are part of the PAC12 as a place holder. Your Utes brought very little to the PAC and while they have been in the PAC, they have done nothing in the two major sports of football and basketball; or for that matter most other sports as well.

    As I suggested to you before, you can be a better help to your Utes by posting supporting comments on articles about them and lay off the amusing and misguided comments you make on BYU articles.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 4, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    Spokane Ute
    Spokane, WA

    Thanks, neighbor! And here's one cougar hoping that after an early, inexplicable loss to that team down south, Utah runs the table and starts 2014 in the granddaddy of them all.

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    June 4, 2013 12:33 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    "What you should be hoping for is a win against Texas"

    With a 5-7 record last year, you have enough to worry about than worrying about BYU beating Texas or anyone else on our schedule.

  • Danny T Minneapolis, MN
    June 4, 2013 12:33 p.m.

    righteous

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 4, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    @Chris B

    Give it a rest. The article is about BYU, their opener and their schedule. It has nothing to do with Utah. It's a tough schedule; give a little credit where due for a change.

    Please don't let B's drivel be a reflection on all Utah fans........sheesh!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 4, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    That is one tough schedule. If I was a BYU fan; I'd be very happy with 8 wins. I applaud BYU for putting together such a tough, well rounded schedule. Great opener too!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 4, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    Chris B,

    Being in the PAC 12 and winning in the PAC 12 are two different things. The article mentions that Texas is one of the 7 teams on BYU's schedule that went to a bowl game last year. By the way, speaking of Big 12 teams, BYU only loss to Texas and Oklahoma the the one-point loss to Teas last year at Texas.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 4, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    @Ed,

    What you should be hoping for is a win against Texas

    OR against Boise

    OR against Notre Dame

    OR against Wisconsin

    You've proven you're incapable of beating Utah(2013 Seniors about to be swept 0-4 how embarrassing)

    Between Texas, ND, Boise, and Wisconsin, I think you may pull out a single win.

    Add Utah and it will be a 1-4 record against the best 5 programs you play!

    .200 record against good teams right on par for Bronco!

    LOL

  • jdub1942 PROVO, UT
    June 4, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    I can put aside my bias for a minute and admit, this should be a good game, I'm actually looking forward to it.

    ESPN, ESPN2 I dont get why people make a big deal out of he difference, makes none to me.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    June 4, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    ESPN2? I was hoping for some big-name, well-established, everybody-watches channel like Fox Sports 1.

  • Spider Rico Greeley, CO
    June 4, 2013 11:26 a.m.

    I hope BYU wins a lot this year, but win or lose it should be a fun schedule. Go Cougs!