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Published: Monday, June 3 2013 12:32 a.m. MDT

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Nosea
Forest Grove, OR

Yes, and women make up 52% of the work force now, and take 60% of all college degrees -- I guess the feminists win!

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Salt Lake City, UT

Why are we still talking about this? Everyone knows less women want to talk politics, move up the corporate ladder, and be managers with responsibility. There's simply less interest.

If there aren't an exact equal number of women working trying to work in higher positions, then the equality will already exist. Anything more than that would be an inequality in the opposite direction.

In my field even, the number of women trying to build a career is around 1%. Talking to a woman about the work is a rare thing, to be treasured of course as it's pretty exciting to meet a women who is involved in it, lol. But nonetheless, it's rare. That isn't anyone's fault; it's simply a matter of interest.

The fact we're ignoring is that men and women ARE different in some ways. We should value our differences, not ignore them. There are many philosophies of "equality" and what makes us equal. The popular political equality of modern America is simply the most degrading kind. It actually makes us unequal in nearly everything.

Treating inherently different beings the exact same, results in inequalities.

We have different needs.

Chris B
Salt Lake City, UT

Someone, somewhere, please give me ONE example of where, in the same job, in the same company, with the same qualifications, a woman is discriminated against. I defy you to do it. In the litigious society we live in, a business would be cutting its own throat to knowingly pay a woman less for the doing the same job as a man.

Hawkeye79
Iowa City, IA

There are a few important control variables that the Pew Study fails to take into account, as it looks only at the raw averages of wage per person. Decide for yourself whether these are valid determinants of pay:

1) Women, on average, tend to work fewer hours per week than men.
2) Women, on average, tend to work fewer consecutive years with the same company than men.
3) Women, on average, tend to work in less dangerous jobs than men.
4) Women, on average, are less likely to negotiate their pay than men.

For over a decade, academic researchers have recognized that after controlling for these factors the gender wage gap is 3-5 cents at most (depending on whose estimates you use).

There are other variables that are hypothesized to influence the wage gap as well (e.g. geographic location, as men and women differ slightly in where they choose to live).

Sasha Pachev
Provo, UT

Don't we have a free market in America? Suppose company A decided to pay a qualified woman less that she is worth. Wouldn't some company B which is a competitor snatch her? Couldn't she consult setting her own rate and hours, or just run her own business?

College degree does not equal being competitive in the market place. There is only a remote correlation. To get hired to do a job you need to convince whoever is hiring you that you can do it. Your employer will pay you to do it if it makes sense for him, which means you need to be good enough for him that after paying you he is still in business.

Another point to consider - women throw javelin of the same weight on average not as far as men, for example. Can that be fixed by legislation and does that need to be fixed at all to begin with?

cns
St George, Utah

For a more thorough analysis of the study see on-line article in 30 May issue of The Atlantic by Derek Thompson "The Biggest Myth About The Gender Wage Gap"

the old switcharoo
mesa, AZ

It's a double edged sword. There has been gender discrimination and I'm sure it still has it's effects. Women have only been accepted in many professions for the last 20 or 30 years. It's still a big deal that the CEO of Yahoo is a women. Only 10% of CEO positions are women and when you look at the lists you'll find most of them are CEO because they founded the company not because the they were hired among the candidate pool.

But, I don't think we need so much equalizing legislation and gender biased college aid. What we need is continued acceptance of whomever in whatever job position and equal help for anyone wanting to get a college education. And another 20 or 30 years.

I have a daughter, but if I had a son I know he could be like I was looking at the postings of scholarships and finding absolutely nothing for him and all kinds of help for everyone else. That was a pretty sad day in my life. Did I deserve to be discriminated against?

Commenter88
Salt Lake City, Utah

Over and over again young women are led to believe that no matter what they do they will only earn 77% of a man. Not so. Fallacious. A cunning lie. The fact is that the marketplace is quite fair with no real bias. These "studies," on the other hand are extremely biased and do not account for the number of years in education, degrees, years of experience or any years taken off for family reasons. If anyone ever accounted for all those factors it would quite possibly show that women earn more! Oh, how I would love to take six years off for family time and then come back and complain that I am not earning as much as the women who didn't take the time off.

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