Voting straight ticket 'Democrat' would be just as bad as voting
straight ticket 'Republican'.
So long as Utah elects Orrin Hatch 7 times in a row for the last 42 years.All I can say is -- Only ignorant lemmings... must... always... vote...
You are right that our state is not being well served by our one-party ruled
Republicans. You are also right that the caucus system has an absurd premise,
that the general public is too dumb to get a vote of our own.As to
those who say that a primary will be too expensive, I ask, "Why on earth
would you want to save money for candidates by taking away people's votes?
Doesn't that just give them the leeway to spend every bit as much money,
influencing even fewer people? And why won't you even consider other
possible reforms that might help us reign in the corruption of money and
politics, such as a well-crafted campaign finance measure, term limits, or
This is a good letter. We dearly need moderate, middle of the road politicians
in this state. The Utah Republican Party has thrown their moderate members
literally under the bus. The likes of Leavitt, Walker, Bangerter, and Bob
Bennett are recognizing the problem with the political structure in Utah. I
have talked to several well placed Republicans who have told me that what is
currently taking place in Utah Politics is unhealthy and possibly dangerous. We
need to scrap the Caucus System, and install Open Primaries, Term Limits, and a
good recall law. The incidents happening with Swallow and Shurtileff are just
the tip of the ice berg. We need to create an environment where moderate
Republicans and conservative Democrats can get elected in this State. We need
more Jim & Scott Matheson's, Mike Leavitt, Wayne Owens, Olene Walker,
and Gunn MacKay's in this state. The example set by Mayor Corroon is what
Utah Politicians should strive for in their careers. Be honest, only serve two
terms, and don't get corrupted by greed and money.
I don't think voting party line... in any direction.... ever does anyone
any good. The last thing we need is more straight ticket type people where
thinking is no longer required.Anyone who votes straight ticket has
completely abdicated their responsibility as a voter. We are to vote for
people - who we have studied.... not a dang elephant on donkey.
Mr. Call seems to want us to believe that he would vote Republican if they would
only get rid of the caucus system. Riiiiight. In reality, I’ll bet
he’s been a Democrat for a long time and resents the fact that Republicans
win the majority of offices in Utah. So he’s using the current bandwagon
of anti-caucus sentiment as a convenient way to express his resentment. Keep
the caucus system. It works just fine.
Re: "We will vote a straight ticket for the Democrats."All
three of us. That'll show you!
While I agree that times have changed, the Democratic party today is not the
party of JFK (skilled negotiator), Tip O'Neill (sought a compromise) or
Warren Magnuson (D-WA) who was strong on defense. Kennedy's famous speech
noting that all boats float on a rising tide is now ridiculed by his own party.
It is amusing to see that one party is frantic over the IRS scandal, but
minimizes Swallow. The other party lives and dies about Swallow and wants to
forget and move on over the IRS and Benghazi mishaps. It would make a bad
The information on John Swallow's corruption was out before the election.
He is an example of what happens when you vote for the party no matter what.
Recent news commentary has questioned the future of the tea party. What taints
the tea party and advocates such as Utah Republicans Mike Lee, Jason Chaffetz,
Dan Liljenquist and Mia Love is their allegiance to far-right politics.Agenda particulars of America's conservative far right include:Mobilization against a supposed leftist socialist conspiracy to subvert
America's Constitution and its sovereignty.Unregulated access
to guns as our best defense against tyranny in government and evil doing.A free market capitalism of unrestrained competition biased on behalf of
the fittest and disdainful of those less able.Unquestioned
patriotism to include an obligatory military force abroad in constant war
against an illusory enemy.No compassion for illegal immigrants who
are scapegoated as unscrupulous takers responsible for our economic woes.An uncompromising dedication to ideological purity.Far-right
regimes in practice are typically highly authoritarian and hierarchical,
oppressively nationalistic, obsessed with ideological and ethnic purity, prone
to resort to force and in general focused on policies that favor themselves at
the expense of others. Modern examples are invariably catastrophic.Woefully out of touch with reality, the far right is ultimately a dead end and
a bad choice for Utah and for America.
Until Utah Mormons stop quoting Ezra Benson's "you can't be a good
Mormon and a Democrat" comment from 40 years ago, you will not see anything
different.I can only thank our Heavenly Father that most Mormons
are; not from Utah, Not from America, and therefore -- NOT Republicans.
Utah has perhaps the most unique demographics of any state. There is a high
percentage of the population that has their minds made up on who to vote for in
the general election before candidates are selected. Often times,
those who vote have no idea who the candidates actually are, they just know that
according to what they're taught and what they believe, the candidate with
the "(R)" next to their name is the candidate who represents
"correct principles", and that's the end of the thinking.The reverse scenario would be a state that is 2/3 African American and
reflexively votes "(D)" without thinking about it. Well, of course, in
that scenario, more radical liberals who are at odds with a national Democratic
Party, who is trying to appeal to middle of the road voters, would want to have
a Utah-style caucus, so they could elect extreme candidates on limited budgets.
With more extreme candidates who can enjoy automatic election
results in November, why wouldn't extreme liberals want that kind of
system?Substitute "extreme liberals" with "tea
partiers", and you have this situation, in reality, in Utah.
My precinct caucus includes a couple of the big shots in the Utah Republican
party. I would say their names, but I don't have their permission, and it
doesn't really matter anyway.I KNOW I will never be a delegate,
but I don't mind, as long as my delegates listen to me. I UNDERSTAND that
people have divergent views at the neighborhood caucus, and not everybody will
get their way. But, without a caucus, precinct system, the ONLY way candidates
will get elected to office is by spending enough money to overwhelm the
opposition. Most of us know that this is made up of 15 or 30 second sound bites
that tell me absolutely nothing (at least of any substance) about the
candidate.Until someone can prove to me that a system made up of
sound bites is better than a bunch of neighbors getting together and
"hashing" out the issues; I will continue to support the caucus system!
Apparentally the DN is determined to make changing from a caucus system to a
direct primary a priority for their editorial board.I am curious as
to their motivation.Are they: still mad that Chris Cannon
doesn't get to still represent the cause of illegal alien trespassers in
Utah? " " " Bob Bennett didn't get
re-elected?I think its a little disingenous for them to so openly
advocate changing to a system, where those with the MOST money will,
undoubtedly, be re-elected.
The Caucus System in Utah is the best way to make sure a grass roots process can
work over large amounts of money. It is the only way someone with $100,000 can
go against someone with $2,000,000 in election funds. We have a system that
that does NOT favor the incumbent, wealthy or famous. This is a good thing.Neighbors discussing the best candidates and finding ways to improve
this state and nation.That is being proposed to be removed from the
neighborhood caucus meeting. Dropping off our votes but not discussing. That is
what is wrong with Washington DC. They don't listen to each other in a
meeting. They watch from their offices. We need to change that not follow it.Perhaps the Count My Vote group should go watch WALL-E from Pixar again,
the people on the spaceship.We are talking neighborhood town halls.
We aren't just meeting to elect delegates. Ie believe the Count My Vote /
Buy My Vote group would ruin that.It is the media and lobbyists that
want to get rid of the caucus convention system, not the other way around. Keep Fair Elections in Utah.
One of the principles of those wanting to gut the neighborhood election caucus
meeting and convention system we have in Utah, was this: " A system that
provides inherent advantages to those who are incumbent, wealthy or famous is
not acceptable."The problem is their proposals would do exactly
that.The Caucus System in Utah is the best way to make sure grass
roots movements can work over large amounts of money. It is the only way someone
with $100,000 can go against someone with $2,000,000 in election funds.There were about 120,000 republicans in Utah that went to the neighborhood
caucus elections in 2012 to elect the 4000 State Delegates. Add to those numbers
the democrats and the primary elections. Certainly the municipal elections
didn't do any better in voter representation.Bypassing the
Caucus / Convention System will NOT create more participation. There are 4000
state delegates that spend countless hours vetting candidates to be on the
ballot. They are selected by those that attend the neighborhood election caucus
meeting. You just have to attend.The current system does not protect
the incumbent, wealthy or famous. I think that is a good thing.
"We will vote a straight ticket for the Democrats." Not a chance. The
Republican Party even in its present demented state is the party of active LDS.
So the Utah GOP doesn't need to change anything even when encouraged to do
so by the Deseret News. Nothing is going to change here in Utah.