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Holmoe shares insight on future of Y athletics

Published: Wednesday, May 29 2013 9:25 p.m. MDT

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Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Naval Vet & MyPersoective:
Maybe if you didn't spend so much time obsessing about BYU you would know what your athletic director says. Quote Chris Hill in interview with ABC4: "There's been a big change in the fact that we're in a different league and BYU is independent. That has changed. But we have no intention of ending the rivalry. Our intention is to continue it."

Sounds to me like Chris Hill wants the rivalry to continue which is exactly what Holmoe said. If both sides want it to continue don't you think they'd be discussing it, and continue discussing it til it gets done? Lets also drop the big/lil brother BS. BYU doesn't need a 60+ sagarin rated, sub .500 team on their schedule either. We have ND, Wisconsin, Texas, GT, and Boise State on our schedules with the likes of Nebraska, VT, etc in the future. BYU doesn't need to weaken our SOS further by including utah (bcs final rankings for mid tenn st and utah were 64, and 60 respectively...ouch). This rivalry is about the fans and that's what both ADs recognize.

Balan
South Jordan, Utah

It's a shame that religion was the reason BYU was kept out of the Pac10. There is no comparison between BYU and Utah when it comes to national prestige as well as overall sports program - none. If not for the religious bigotry, no doubt that the PAC12 would much rather have had BYU.

That being said, there is no question that BYU would rather be playing in the PAC12 right now as well, but that is not the reality. And rather than crying and whining about what has transpired, BYU when out and did what only a handful of schools in the nation could do - independence!

I for one, particularly given the arrogance of Utah coaches, administration and fans, hope we never play Utah again after this year. We all know that BYU will be just fine without Utah. As for Utah, well - you traded the top of the MWC for the bottom of the PAC12. Enjoy your new lot in life - you got what you asked for.

As pride in your school continues to fade, you can still be proud that you are members of the mighty PAC12!

nhatch82
Eagle Mountain, UT

My Perspective,

In my mind, Utah has already won that game. 1) Regardless of the final score, the Utes will still be in an elite conference, 2) When the game is over, Utah gets to leave Provo.

This is hilarious. Regardless of the Final score you still win? Because you are in a elite conference? So Vanderbilt, because they are in the SEC and get destroyed by every team in the league they are an elite team? You utes fans live in this world where you don't have to win games just as long as you can put a pac12 sticker in your back window. What planet are you from? Here is the real truth "My Perspective", you don't win any games unless you score more points than the other team. Quit making excuses for a terrible last few years. Its funny because you say how unimportant the BYU game is but then when we point out how bad your season was you reply by saying "Well we beat BYU!"

kaysvillecougar
KAYSVILLE, UT

I'm glad that Naval Vet, Alternate, my perspective etc. place BYU way down the list of importance. That's why they never comment on or read any BYU articles.

panamadesnews
Lindon, UT

RE: GoRed

Did you see the recent poll that 65% of Utah fans said that winning the BYU game is more important than a bowl game (not sure if that meant winning a bowl game or having a bowl game). Sounds like to me Utah playing BYU is Utah's bowl game and not the other way around. Go figure.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

USNGary:

"We all know [the Pac-10 had] rejected BYU because of religion..."

No Gary. What we all know is that's just the fallback excuse for being fully rejected by every expanding relevant conference in the country. Utah is very heavily populated with LDS members as well. In fact, most of our General Authorities are Ute alumni. You were rejected because you wouldn't fit in. Your football program is bush league, you're not a Tier-1 Research institution, and you've stamped out free speech/educational freedom to the extent you actually got censored by the AAUP. So not fit athletically, academically, or culturally.

"BYU only wants to continue because it is a local game, big money, they don't have to spend much to travel. Get over yourself. Obviously BYU's goal is not to beat utah"

Yes it is. It's the only game they sell out, and Van Noy couldn't bring himself to enter into the NFL draft because of "unfinished business"....such as beating Utah. It's your most important game of the year, every year.

54-10
Salt Lake City, UT

Tom Holmoe - doing to BYU football what he did to Cal.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

midWACmajor:

"BYU fans would get over not playing Utah much more quickly than our BYU-obsessed little brothers..."

Too late. Utah already got over playing you when we refused to schedule you for '14 and '15, whereas your fans are still whining about it. Fail.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Cougsndawgs:

"BYU doesn't need a 60+ sagarin rated, sub .500 team on their schedule either. We have ND, Wisconsin, Texas, GT, and Boise State on our schedules with the likes of Nebraska, VT, etc in the future. BYU doesn't need to weaken our SOS further by including utah..."

If that's true, why is your side howling the loudest over our refusal to schedule you for '14 and '15? Don't forget that ND and Texas were all "2 for 1"-ish, Nebraska and Wisconsin were all one-offs, Ga. Tech already dropped their last 2 scheduled games with you, and you don't REALLY have any future dates with Va. Tech. You just made that part up. So really, all you got was Boise St. The truth is, you DO need us more than we need you. Epic fail.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Balan:

"It's a shame that religion was the reason BYU was kept out of the Pac10."

No, it's a shame that the Indy-WACers just can't admit the real reason why they weren't wanted by not only the Pac-10, but also the Big 12, B1G, ACC, and SEC, and have resorted to classless, baseless, and disingenuous cries of discrimination.

Very shameful indeed.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

nhatch82:

"Its funny because you say how unimportant the BYU game is but then when we point out how bad your season was you reply by saying 'Well we beat BYU!'"

You ARE unimportant, and the only reason why we keep pointing to the scoreboard is because you have no leg to stand on when you're the loser of 3 in a row, 8 of the last 11, and own a generation gap in the all time series. We're simply pointing out the "glass house" you've all been living in. There's no contradiction there.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

midpacmajor
"Frankly, BYU fans would get over not playing Utah much more quickly than our BYU-obsessed little brothers..." Laughable. No one complained more about Chris Hill dropping the byu game than byu fans.

As I have adequately shown above, 723 responses and the byu ranks #3 in importance this year. See the block u site.

I have to ask how hard byu fans think Holmoe works the phones to get a game scheduled with a program. Based on the announcements he makes from time to time, it seems to me that it is Holmoe making the initial contact and pushing a contract. My guess is that ND does very little work. Of course, Holmoe wants a game with Utah...it one more he doesn't have to dig up with someone else.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Balan
"If not for the religious bigotry, no doubt that the PAC12 would much rather have had BYU."

Here we go again...

The Pac-10 Presidents and Chancellors have made it very clear that Utah was invited to the conference based on 1) Academics, 2) Research, 3) Athletic Prowess.

Regarding academics, I'll save you the trouble of commenting...byu is ranked #69 by USNWR, Utah #129. That is for undergrad and the cost of tuition (dirt cheap at byu) played an important part in that ranking. Now, look at the ranking in USNWR for graduate programs. Utah is in a class by itself in the state of Utah (medical school) and aligns well with Pac-12 schools. byu compares well (and lags in certain fields) to USU.

Regarding research, byu has never been, is not now, or ever will be a tier 1 research institution. End of story.

Athletic Prowess, I have to hand it byu for this criterion. byu is, in all respects Pac-12 caliber.

Bottom line, it takes more, a lot more, to be in the Pac-12 than sports. There was no "bigotry." It's all about standards and the bar was too high for byu.

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Nav Vet:
My bad, I was thinking West Virginia not VT. Future schedules include Nebraska, Michigan, Texas, Virginia, Cincinnati, and more to come. If it makes you feel better to think BYU needs U, go ahead and think it. You seem to live in your own fantasy world anyway. As far as 2-1 that's because the teams they're playing (other than ND) have conference contracts and that brings them more leverage. No BYU fans I know of are under any delusions that scheduling isn't tough and you take what you can get in independence. BYU is still bigger and better in every regard than Utah, and for that reason they can do deals in independence and make far more money than Utah ever could. I know that drives ute fans crazy...the truth usually does. In the meantime Utah will continue to collect their charity from the big boys in the PAC 12 that actually drove their 3 billion dollar deal. I'm sure when espn/fox negotiated that amount Utah had very little to do with the bottom line. Wazzu and Utah, the welfare kids of the PAC12. Siphoning off others because they couldn't bring the money themselves.

WildCougar
Holladay, UT

It's funny listening to ute fans trying to justify how great they are. Usually when someone does that, that person knows that they are inferior. I can't stand utah fans, I can't stand that school. I don't care if we play them at all anymore. BYU doesn't need utah, utah doesn't need BYU. BYU will continue to be the more interesting story and utah will continue to lose their shorts in the pac. Your goal is to win the pac south. Wooopty dooooo! What will that do for your program? Hey recruit come to our school we won the pac south. Sounds Exciting....Sarcasm.

Hey utes, You should just put all your chips into the womens gymnastics pot and call it a day. BYU will continue to play competitive football, basketball, volleyball, baseball, rugby, swimming, soccer, golf, track etc. And ute fan you can hope to win the pac south and cheer on your red rocks (or women utes or whatever you call them) gymnastics team.

Anyway, Go Cougs!

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Frantic and Emotional

"…What we all know is that's just the fallback excuse for being fully rejected by every expanding relevant conference in the country. Utah is very heavily populated with LDS members as well. In fact, most of our General Authorities are Ute alumni. You were rejected because you wouldn't fit in. Your football program is bush league, you're not a Tier-1 Research institution, and you've stamped out free speech/educational freedom to the extent you actually got censored by the AAUP. So not fit athletically, academically, or culturally."

This comment shows how uninformed some trolls are.

Point 1. "fallback excuse for being fully rejected by every expanding relevant conference." Love how what used to be "BCS" is now "expanding relevant". This must be since the Big East wanted BYU.

Point 2. "Most General Authorities are Ute alumni as well." Not true, perhaps twenty years ago, but not anymore. Only three of the current 12 apostles are Ute grads (six are BYU)... and if you extend it to all general authorities less than 5% are Ute alumni.

Point 3. "You were rejected because you wouldn't fit in." Perhaps true.
Continued

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

Continued
Point 4. “your football program is bush league.” Whether BYU or Utah currently has a better football program is debatable… but they are similar enough that if one is “bush league” than so is the other.

Point 5. “you’re not a tier-1 research institution.” It is true that BYU is not a “very high research activity” institution (Carnegie classification), but either are Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State, and they all received PAC 10 invites.

Point 6. “you’ve stamped out free speech/educational freedom to the extent you actually got censored by the AAUP.” I didn’t know who the AAUP was so I had to look it up (American Association of University Professors), ironic and perhaps a little sad since I am a university professor. You’re right, BYU is on the list. So is USC.

Point 7. “not fit athletically, academically, or culturally.” See director’s cup, admission requirements, students who get advanced degrees, international programs, and students that lived abroad. BYU is easily the most athletic, academically rigorous, and culturally aware school in Utah.

Balan
South Jordan, Utah

MyPerspective - so what are the uppity ups of the PAC12 going to say??? "Hey sports world, the reason we didn't take BYU is because we don't like Mormons, and besides, they won't play on Sunday"??? Nope, they said exactly what you said - but anyone with a brain knows better.

The only thing Utah has on BYU of the three you listed is possibly research. In the other two areas of academics and athletic prowess, BYU is light years ahead of Utah.

So keep wearing those crimson-tinted glasses MP. They will keep you from having to deal with the truth!

Cougsndawgs
West Point , UT

Naval Vet:
BYU wasnt wanted by any "relevant conference"? The Big 12 came to BYU before TCU or WVU. BYU walked away from the table and wasn't willing to put themselves on the line without contracts and promises made in writing. Chip Brown (probably the most "in-the-know of any of the realignment reporters concerning the Big 12):
"BYU was a serious candidate for expansion until last September, when OU destabilized the Big 12 when it tried to go to the Pac12. At that point, BYU officials were turned off by the instability and backed away, saying it cherished its independence. BYU turned away from the Big 12 first. So that was a downfall."
That doesn't sound like the Big 12 didn't want BYU. Last time I checked the Big 12 is a "relevant conference" (usually 2nd to only the SEC in comp power rankings). Stop "frantically and emotionally" making stuff up.

midpacmajor
Salt Lake City, Utah

navelvet

"Utah already got over playing you when we refused to schedule you for '14 and '15,..."

You've misinterpreted whining for laughing at the feeble excuse Chris Hill gave that he didn't think the Utes were good enough to handle playing BYU and Michigan in the same year.

Funny how that worked out, since BYU also scheduled Michigan in 2015.

It's laughable that Utah fans who claimed they were "moving on" three years ago are still so obsessed with BYU that they continue to spam every BYU article.

What's even more laughable is the only wins CONSTANTLY cited by Utah fans since the Utes joined the PAC, are Utah's two wins against BYU. There's not a day goes by that Utah's record against BYU isn't cited by several Utah fans.

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