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Published: Wednesday, May 29 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

The fact that apparently Kirkham's "support" for domestic STEM education is contingent on passage of massive amnesty for illegal aliens plus a massive increase in still more foreign labor including STEM, demonstrates what this really is about: cheap labor.

Just more Gang of Eight doublespeak. "Enforce immigration law" -- but DON'T enforce immigration law, by instead REWARDING illegality with legal residency status (and granting amnesty to employers, as well, by waiving all penalties for hiring illegal aliens and allowing them to continue to employ them even under the same, false documentation). And, "We need to encourage more domestic STEM" -- yet, in the same breath, "We need to flood the nation with cheap, foreign STEM" and thereby drive STEM wages down in America, and keep them down.

I do not buy the notion that there is an actual shortage of domestic STEM talent. The problem instead is the determination of American employers to avoid paying their fellow Americans a fair wage. Many qualified, domestic STEMs have discovered to their dismay that they are passed over in favor of cheaper, foreign STEMs.

Pay domestic STEMs a fair wage, and they'll be there -- talented, creative, quite qualified, and ready to work.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"The immigration crisis was created by both parties over decades — we Republicans have an obligation to do our best to help fix the system we helped break."

This kind of thinking will get you labeled as a RINO.

First rule - Never admit that your party has any blame.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Mr. Kirkham aptly illustrates the attitude of the open borders lobby.

He feels he has to pay too much for labor so he calls Sen. Hatch to ask for cheaper labor.

How about if we all do that?

I don't think I should have to pay 70.00 per hr. for my plumbing jobs.
How about that electrician I hired for 200.00? Why are teachers pd. (to some) the ridiculous sum of 35k per yr. when we can bring teachers from India for 15k per yr. Yes, most of them DO speak English. Does anyone think we can't replace almost ALL workers with cheaper labor?

I don't think immigration enforcement is a "political" issue, (although BOTH parties want you to believe that), rather its' a law enforcement issue that results in legal American citizens being victimized by their own government.

wigglwagon
Mariion, Va

It doesn't much matter what we do about immigration. With companies like Smithfield foods being owned by China, soon we will have an abundance of imported Chinese workers, whether we want them or not.

Viva la Migra
American Fork, UT

The push to increase H1B workers doesn't have a lot to do with a shortage of qualified American workers, it's all about trying to flood the market with cheap labor, pushing costs down. Like every thing else, you get what you pay for. On one project I was involved with, we tried bringing in Indian H1B workers to help out. We immediately ran into communication problems and found that they couldn't follow even the simplest requirements. The team lead ended up spending more and more time explaining requirements and reviewing/helping rewrite shoddy code for the H1B workers.

It simply wasn't worth it for our team to deal with the poor communication, shoddy programming style of these H1B workers. We carefully interviewed several more over the years, and found that none of them possess the stated technical skills, to the point now where we will not even waste time interviewing them.

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

"The immigration crisis was created by both parties over decades — we Republicans have an obligation to do our best to help fix the system we helped break."

First, the system isn't broken. The problem instead is lack of enforcement of EXISTING law.

However, this is the fault of crooked politicians -- not the American people. For example, a recent Reuters poll shows that most Americans WANT enforcement including Deportation specifically.

This points to the need to stand for aggressive enforcement of existing immigration and related laws.

That is how we fix the problem.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

The "new" immigration bill being debated contains a myriad of "free stuff" for illegal trespassers. When your congressional "leaders" refer to "enhanced enforcement" - DON'T believe it. Napolitano has every means at her disposal to enforce immigration now - but chooses not to!
Labor unions have come out AGAINST the "new" amnesty. Conservatives see how terrifically expensive it will be to put 25 million "new" Americans on the social safety net. Since polar opposites are against amnesty (don't let them call it anything else)that should indicate that the politicians are working against legal American citizens.

Its NOT the fault of the American taxpaying public that we are where we are. It IS the fault of politicians who, on one side believe they can create enough "new" voters to get them elected. The other side of the aisle, believes they can convince politicians (through payoffs)that they DESERVE cheap labor.

We need politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle to put American (legal) citizens first.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Supply and demand is the most fundamental law of economics. At a time when demand for labor is low, we're about to vastly increase the supply. This will have but one effect, a collapse in the price of labor. This is exactly what Corporate America wants, and it is what our bought and paid for politicians of both parties are going to deliver to them on a silver platter.

P.S. Employers who complain that they can't find skilled workers usually want employees who are highly skilled and educated at great expense to work for manual labor wages.

9 oclock nac
West Jordan, UT

The article says Mitsubishi can't find qualified labor, not cheap labor. As some have pointed out, cheap labor is not always cheap or productive. While there are some engineers who can't find jobs, there is no question that there are fields in which skilled Americans are not available. While demand for some labor is low, demand for labor in some STEM fields is higher than ever, with the best prospects for higher pay and security. Hatch's (co-sponsored by Sen. Lee) proposal funds STEM education as well, so we thrwart any long term dependency on foreign labor.

wrz
Pheonix, AZ

@Fitness Freak:
"We need politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle to put American (legal) citizens first."

Don't count on it. Politicians crave votes. They will do anything, ANYTHING to get reelected... including turning our country over to foreigners... Spanish speaking foreigners. As Ann Coulter puts it 'When did we vote to become Mexico?'

Alfred
Pheonix, AZ

I would like the author to tell us exactly what is broken in our immigration laws. As others have stated, what's broken is enforcement... i.e., kicking foreigners out who cross our borders uninvited and those who overstay their visas.

We don't need comprehensive immigration reform... which is another word for amnesty.

If there is something broken it's letting too many foreigners come in from Spanish speaking countries. We need a balance from around the world not just Mexico, Honduras, Venezuela, etc... if we need immigrants at all... and we don't. We have millions of unemployed Americans sitting home sucking up unemployment benefits while we import labor. The line used to be that we need immigrants to do the work that Americans won't do, such as making beds and picking apples. Now they tell us we need STEM foreigners to create jobs for us... baloney!

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Mr. Kirkham is willing to pay $1,000,000 for a piece of machinery but only $40,000 for a skilled person to run that equipment. It seems that he is stepping over dollars to pick up pennies.

anon46545
Dallas, TX

It seems this author and his buddies are in need of a seven-step program to rejoin reality. But, pray tell:

1. Do you know the difference between a machinist and engineer?
2. How will funding for STEM education help when 50% of this nation's STEM graduate can't find work in STEM fields?
3. How does the two million currently unemployed and underemployed engineers jibe with your reality?
4. Just how will importing 3.5 million foreigners on temporary work visas provide jobs for those they're displacing?
5. Why did Sen. Orrin Hatch, aka Judas, aggressively strip all worker protections from the bill to the benefit of the massively profitable and foreign-owned outsourcing firms?
6. How do the above facts bode well for your children when 700,000 foreign workers are already in the US on temporary work visas and they continue to capture 30-50% of all new IT jobs?

It appears to me that our plutocrats are now so frenzied by greed, they're not only lost touch with reality, but seriously misjudging their distance to the guillotine.

RRB
SLC, UT

There are several articles that show we have plenty of STEM graduates to fill the jobs available. The number of visas being asked for exceed the number of stem jobs each year.

The Economic Policy Institute is one of several studies (6) that show this.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, there are about 2.5 million IT workers in America, the bill allows up to 180,000 new visas each year when the cap is removed. What they don't tell you is that the visa is good for 3 years, plus a three year extention. That's six years of 180,000 or 1,080,000. Add in NAFTA visa's that can be used for it workers (900,000 per year) These are journeyman techies and nothing else.

The O (for outstanding) visa program is for importing geniuses and nothing else.

We don't need them, and they endager our countries ability by forcing American students into other fields of study. These visas were designed to destroy our STEM citizens, in an effort to pad the bottom line of business.

The Hammer
lehi, utah

As an accountant out of college for two years I have been unable to get any business to look at my resume to consider me for an accounting position although I had a solid GPA from a local university. I ended up taking a job at a government agency that deals with those who come in with H1B visas. As I processed these individuals I found that they were taking jobs at businesses I had submitted my resume to several times for several positions such as goldman sachs, deloitte and touche and E&Y. I was astonished that most of these people come in as trainees to the company as most of them just graduated from a university abroad or from here in the USA. We don't need increased h1bs its killing my job prospects.

cjf
Salt Lake City, UT

Mr. Kirkham wants USA college students to be smart enough to handle the rigors of STEM degrees, but stupid enough to not know the real truth behind the H-1B visa - that it is used almost exclusively as a source for cheap labor by flooding the nation with hundreds of thousands (millions even) of indentured servants on a visa. This has been confirmed by numerous university studies.

Of course college students aren't stupid. Therefore, they are avoiding STEM careers because of this.

Mr. Kirkham obviously doesn't know the facts, or simply is looking at dollars and ignoring the facts.

Langer
Whetstone, AZ

It's refreshing to see the comments reflect more awareness than Mr. Kirkham and the politicians would like to see in the citizenry. What the gangsters are trying to do with the mess that is S.744 is reward the crooks and punish law-abiding citizens.

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