To Mike R...First, I thought it would be the quote by K Marx would
be the one that would set you off. Don't preach you say?
Really. Its okay for you to but not others? I wasn't preaching
rather pointing out how ironic your "moralizing" has become.
How about eliminating poverty for all those who are willing to work? How about
ending the gravy train for all those who contribute nothing or less than
nothing, whether bureaucratically, professionally, or by mere indolence?We should all do something that produces, not confiscates or erodes,
wealth. Those who are totally incapable of working with both body and mind are
a special case but there are few of them. We can support genuine inability to
do anything, as families, by charity etc. How is it that I cannot
give work to my neighbor and pay him for it without being held back by
government requirements? Why do you tax the poor worker by adding a surcharge
on the purchase of necessities? Why does government take on so much and send us
the bill who haven't requested or desired the "services"?
Hank,How many people outside of your family do you support? How many
homeless do you welcome to your dinner table? How many "down and out"
have you hired this week?Don't preach about the words of
tyrants and kings when the French Aristocracy had more in common with
today's Federal Government than the Federal Government had with the pawns
being used by the French Aristocracy.What did the French demand?
They did not demand food and shelter! They demanded to be allowed to WORK
without the government siponing off their profits.The French
Aristocracy had no solution and today's Federal Government has no solution.
Obama et al are binding us down until all will demand a few crumbs from his
table, but he'll be too busy playing golf to hear those cries.Get him and all who oppress off our backs. Let those who will work, feed
their own families and care for their own needs. If you're feeling
generous, open your home. Open your pantry. If you have a home and food,
you're one of the "rich guys" that Obama likes to talk about.
As I read Mr. Florez's article I kept thinking to myself that his
dissatisfaction with the ineffectiveness and inefficiencies of Big Government
closely echo my own. So I was amazed that his conclusion was, like so many of
my liberal/socialist friends, simply that we've got to make Big Government
better, without so much as a whiff of a suggestion as to how that might be
done.Had he attempted to make such a suggestion he might then have
arrived at the same conclusion that I and many of my conservative/capitalist
friends have. That is, the problem is the same, fundamental problem of **all**
monopolies. Whenever you have that much power (remember, it is only the state
which is endowed with all **legitimate** coercive authority) controlling that
much of .... everything, the results are **always** the same kinds of oppressive
inefficiencies and ineffectiveness of which Mr. Florez complains.Likewise, the answer to the problems, of **all** monopolies, is the same.
Namely, free markets.The only power that **should** be allocated to
governments is that of ensuring the freedom of individuals to operate in free
to Mike R... "Those who will not work must not expect to feast
at the table of the workers" Do you realize how much that
sounds like; *Let them eat cake*, 2nd Thessalonians 3:10, *Work will
set you free*, and *From each according to his ability, to each according to his
need*re Shaun...JCS probably doesn't live house as
he'd have to property tax which fund schools & libraries that are part
of the Gov't conspiracy to destroy ethics/morals/values. He more than
likely doesn't use the Post Office either.
Mr. FlorezIt would be helpful in future articles, if you could give
specific examples of how our current system doesn't work and then specifics
on the type of plan you would like to see implemented. I could see a program
like the LDS church--home/ visiting teachers assigned to a needy family to
obtain necessary resources, develop and implement plans to become successful.
The problem with that type of plan is it would require significantly more people
to implement. The current system is designed to serve a great number of people
using less personnel. One issue i've run across in providing
assistance to people is there seems to be some people who have the tools, just
not the means to become successful, but there are some people who don't
seem able/willing to make the necessary changes to become successful, even when
direction and assistance is provided. However, i don't believe it
represents the majority receiving assistance.
By not telling the “rest of the story” John Florez may be giving us
a very untrue picture.The rest of the story is simply that just
about everything beyond our immediate family fits the analogy of the vending
machine. In dealing with business, we can sometimes make the
warranty make amends, but the truth is we have paid for that warranty whether we
use it or not. In our health, no matter how much we spend, we still
can get sick.I think John’s article puts him into the same
category as the rest of those guys trying to destroy America.
@john charity spring. So my guess is you buy bottled water instead of using tap
water. You also never drive anywhere because roads and all their infrastructure
are government services and goods. Should I go on?
If your view of government is the same as a child's idea of "Santa
Claus", then Mr. Florez's analogy might be correct. As
John Charity Spring said, "From the beginning, it was decreed that man would
eat bread by the seat of his own brow. That is how it should be. When all are
working hard to provide for themselves, poverty will cease to exist."When Mr. Florez demands that government get out of our lives, then he
will see his family, his friends and his neighbors prosper. The
fact is that most people only work as hard as they have to. I know a very
successful realtor. Unlike many who wold take a day off or a week off after
making a sale, he worked every day all day long, whether he sold one house or
whether he sold three. He believed that success came from working. Government
counts on us NOT working. Government counts on our greed to demand that others
work hard so that we don't have to.Those who will not work must
not expect to feast at the table of the workers.
The problem is that all we think government does is let welfare recipients live
like fatcats, and we get nothing out of it so do away with it. We've become
so self centred and lazy we don't see what the FAA or EPA or FDA does for
us. Or the people who pick up the garbage or mow the lawn in the park. No, as
far as we're concerned today it all goes to welfare and foreign aid, and
we're willing to wreck our society to starve those programs.
Interesting article but an inaccurate analogy to say the government is like a
huge vending machine. No vending machine can not put you in jail, spy on you,
dictate your healthcare, confiscate your property, lie to you, punish you for
donating to the "wrong" political party, violate your rights and force
you to obey unconstitutional laws but the government does that everyday!
Florez is dead wrong here. He completely misunderstands what the purpose of
government is.Florez indicates that the government's purpose is
to provide citizens with goods and services. Nothing could be farther from the
truth. The Free Market is the provider of goods and services, and the sole
purpose of government is to protect the citizens from crime and foreign invasion
so that they can participate in the free market.Florez, like all
liberals, sees government as an entitlement machine that hands out goods and
services so that all may have their wants satisfied, regardless of whether they
work to provide for themselves. Indeed, he is constantly calling for the
government to hand out more and more so that there will be fewer poor people.
What he ignores is the basic fact that the government cannot give to one without
taking from another. When the government does so, ita actually promotes poverty
by destroying the incentive to work.From the beginning, it was
decreed that man would eat bread by the seat of his own brow. That is how it
should be. When all are working hard to provide for themselves, poverty will
cease to exist.
Exactly!Conservatives need to stop complaining about how your money
is going to help the poor so we can focus on fixing how the system is set up.
Liberals need to start realizing that the welfare system
marginalizes the very people it serves. It extends poverty ad infinitum because
of what it does to their character. We need to serve people who are
struggling, but in ways that helps maintain their self worth. Just giving them
something for nothing will never do that.