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Published: Saturday, May 25 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Hamath
Omaha, NE

Exactly!

Conservatives need to stop complaining about how your money is going to help the poor so we can focus on fixing how the system is set up.

Liberals need to start realizing that the welfare system marginalizes the very people it serves. It extends poverty ad infinitum because of what it does to their character.

We need to serve people who are struggling, but in ways that helps maintain their self worth. Just giving them something for nothing will never do that.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

Florez is dead wrong here. He completely misunderstands what the purpose of government is.

Florez indicates that the government's purpose is to provide citizens with goods and services. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The Free Market is the provider of goods and services, and the sole purpose of government is to protect the citizens from crime and foreign invasion so that they can participate in the free market.

Florez, like all liberals, sees government as an entitlement machine that hands out goods and services so that all may have their wants satisfied, regardless of whether they work to provide for themselves. Indeed, he is constantly calling for the government to hand out more and more so that there will be fewer poor people. What he ignores is the basic fact that the government cannot give to one without taking from another. When the government does so, ita actually promotes poverty by destroying the incentive to work.

From the beginning, it was decreed that man would eat bread by the seat of his own brow. That is how it should be. When all are working hard to provide for themselves, poverty will cease to exist.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Interesting article but an inaccurate analogy to say the government is like a huge vending machine. No vending machine can not put you in jail, spy on you, dictate your healthcare, confiscate your property, lie to you, punish you for donating to the "wrong" political party, violate your rights and force you to obey unconstitutional laws but the government does that everyday!

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

The problem is that all we think government does is let welfare recipients live like fatcats, and we get nothing out of it so do away with it. We've become so self centred and lazy we don't see what the FAA or EPA or FDA does for us. Or the people who pick up the garbage or mow the lawn in the park. No, as far as we're concerned today it all goes to welfare and foreign aid, and we're willing to wreck our society to starve those programs.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

If your view of government is the same as a child's idea of "Santa Claus", then Mr. Florez's analogy might be correct.

As John Charity Spring said, "From the beginning, it was decreed that man would eat bread by the seat of his own brow. That is how it should be. When all are working hard to provide for themselves, poverty will cease to exist."

When Mr. Florez demands that government get out of our lives, then he will see his family, his friends and his neighbors prosper.

The fact is that most people only work as hard as they have to. I know a very successful realtor. Unlike many who wold take a day off or a week off after making a sale, he worked every day all day long, whether he sold one house or whether he sold three. He believed that success came from working. Government counts on us NOT working. Government counts on our greed to demand that others work hard so that we don't have to.

Those who will not work must not expect to feast at the table of the workers.

Shaun
Sandy, UT

@john charity spring. So my guess is you buy bottled water instead of using tap water. You also never drive anywhere because roads and all their infrastructure are government services and goods. Should I go on?

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

By not telling the “rest of the story” John Florez may be giving us a very untrue picture.

The rest of the story is simply that just about everything beyond our immediate family fits the analogy of the vending machine.

In dealing with business, we can sometimes make the warranty make amends, but the truth is we have paid for that warranty whether we use it or not.

In our health, no matter how much we spend, we still can get sick.

I think John’s article puts him into the same category as the rest of those guys trying to destroy America.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Mr. Florez

It would be helpful in future articles, if you could give specific examples of how our current system doesn't work and then specifics on the type of plan you would like to see implemented. I could see a program like the LDS church--home/ visiting teachers assigned to a needy family to obtain necessary resources, develop and implement plans to become successful. The problem with that type of plan is it would require significantly more people to implement. The current system is designed to serve a great number of people using less personnel.

One issue i've run across in providing assistance to people is there seems to be some people who have the tools, just not the means to become successful, but there are some people who don't seem able/willing to make the necessary changes to become successful, even when direction and assistance is provided. However, i don't believe it represents the majority receiving assistance.

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

to Mike R...

"Those who will not work must not expect to feast at the table of the workers"

Do you realize how much that sounds like;

*Let them eat cake*, 2nd Thessalonians 3:10, *Work will set you free*, and *From each according to his ability, to each according to his need*

re Shaun...

JCS probably doesn't live house as he'd have to property tax which fund schools & libraries that are part of the Gov't conspiracy to destroy ethics/morals/values. He more than likely doesn't use the Post Office either.

samhill
Salt Lake City, UT

As I read Mr. Florez's article I kept thinking to myself that his dissatisfaction with the ineffectiveness and inefficiencies of Big Government closely echo my own. So I was amazed that his conclusion was, like so many of my liberal/socialist friends, simply that we've got to make Big Government better, without so much as a whiff of a suggestion as to how that might be done.

Had he attempted to make such a suggestion he might then have arrived at the same conclusion that I and many of my conservative/capitalist friends have. That is, the problem is the same, fundamental problem of **all** monopolies. Whenever you have that much power (remember, it is only the state which is endowed with all **legitimate** coercive authority) controlling that much of .... everything, the results are **always** the same kinds of oppressive inefficiencies and ineffectiveness of which Mr. Florez complains.

Likewise, the answer to the problems, of **all** monopolies, is the same. Namely, free markets.

The only power that **should** be allocated to governments is that of ensuring the freedom of individuals to operate in free markets.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Hank,

How many people outside of your family do you support? How many homeless do you welcome to your dinner table? How many "down and out" have you hired this week?

Don't preach about the words of tyrants and kings when the French Aristocracy had more in common with today's Federal Government than the Federal Government had with the pawns being used by the French Aristocracy.

What did the French demand? They did not demand food and shelter! They demanded to be allowed to WORK without the government siponing off their profits.

The French Aristocracy had no solution and today's Federal Government has no solution. Obama et al are binding us down until all will demand a few crumbs from his table, but he'll be too busy playing golf to hear those cries.

Get him and all who oppress off our backs. Let those who will work, feed their own families and care for their own needs. If you're feeling generous, open your home. Open your pantry. If you have a home and food, you're one of the "rich guys" that Obama likes to talk about.

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

How about eliminating poverty for all those who are willing to work? How about ending the gravy train for all those who contribute nothing or less than nothing, whether bureaucratically, professionally, or by mere indolence?

We should all do something that produces, not confiscates or erodes, wealth. Those who are totally incapable of working with both body and mind are a special case but there are few of them. We can support genuine inability to do anything, as families, by charity etc.

How is it that I cannot give work to my neighbor and pay him for it without being held back by government requirements? Why do you tax the poor worker by adding a surcharge on the purchase of necessities? Why does government take on so much and send us the bill who haven't requested or desired the "services"?

Hank Pym
SLC, UT

To Mike R...

First, I thought it would be the quote by K Marx would be the one that would set you off.

Don't preach you say? Really. Its okay for you to but not others?

I wasn't preaching rather pointing out how ironic your "moralizing" has become.

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