Published: Saturday, May 25 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
The murder rate today is virtually the same as it was in 1960. That is before
the Supreme Court ruled that prayer in public schools was unconstitutional.
Our "founding fathers" that had as many different ideas about values as
there were "founding fathers" and no more spoke with one voice then we
do today, those "founding fathers?
David, if God is missing from your life, or if you have lost your values, stop
blaming the government, gangs, the devil, or anyone other than the man in the
This letter is the most correct of any to appear in this paper in a long time.
Indeed, the Obama administration's abandonment of the values of the
Founding Fathers is destroying this Country.The Founding Fathers
believed and established this Country on principles such as hard work, thrift,
and industry. The current left-wing government has abandoned these values and
replaced them with an entitlement mentality. Now, large segments of the
population sit around in their laziness and sloth expecting that their needs
will be taken care of by others.The Fathers knew that citizens must
be expected to provide for themselves, or disaster would be the inevitable
result. Those who subsist on welfare, rather than working, use their free time
to enage in crime, substance abuse, and immorality. These are the causes of
America's ills, not gun ownership.Rather than attacking guns,
we should attack the moral corruption that it being supported and promulgated by
left-wing governmental policies. This is what the Founding Fathers would want.
I agree that we need to focus on values. But I don't see how government has
taken God out of our lives.
Nice try with this article but if you are a liberal, guns cause crime, matches
cause arson and super sized drinks cause obesity! No one is responsible for
their choices and we are all victims of an unjust society, not the consequences
of our own choices. Terrorist aren't really terrorists but "freedom
fighters". Abortion isn't killing unborn human beings its a choice and
a "constitutional right". Welfare dependency is compassion and the is no
God and therefore there is no right or wrong behavior and no one is accountable
for their behavior. Big, over reaching government is good, freedom is bad and
there is no tyranny. The perfect recipe for societal chaos! But that's
preferable to them than faith, self control, personal freedoms and self
government because for them its all about control and power! Who's plan was
that in the first place?
Nonsense. I didn't get a chance to know the founders any more than anyone
else alive today, but I suspect that they would ba appalled at the gun violence
of today. They were smart, educated men. The elites of their time, as it were.
I'm pretty sure that, had they been able to see the outcome, they would
have approached the second amendment differently. Not with religion or pining
for some mythical era past, but with real thought and action.
How exactly was God taken out of your life? Are you not allowed to go to
church? Have the churches been turned into warehouses? Are you not allowed to
pray? Just because you don't get to force everyone to believe or worship
or even behave they way you want doesn't mean God was taken out of your
life. Speaking of founding values the founding fathers created a
separation between government and churches specifically to protect a diversity
of opinions that existed then. I'm sure some opinions, and I would guess
more than just atheism, seem Godless to you. However, it was a specific
principle of the founding fathers to protect a persons right to that opinion.
Thank Gosh for the Federal Government protecting the rights of Atheists. I
haven't raped, killed, robbed. And, I follow the Speed Laws in our
communities and freeways. I'm really amused by how many suit and tie
wearing Sunday drivers speed by my house every week. Morality is not exclusive
@Mountainman.... you just keep up with your comic book version of the world....
where everything is nice and tidy... black and white.... good and evil.... .and
all problems only have one answer. Because surely no democrats went to war in
the middle east - only republicans. And only republicans pay taxes.... care
for their kids and go to church.It really amazes me that adults
have such closed minded views of the world. That they really think because
someone is a democrat that they hate god, don't love the country... less
alone hunt. It is mind numbing to think of such a simplistic view of the
world.There were two plans..... and only one offered freedom of
choice... freedom to choose the wrong answer.... and that is not the one that
mandates people live a particular lifestyle. It is so funny that paying taxes
is confused with lack of freedom. Those who choose to outlaw bad choices are
the ones against the Lords plan... those who would impose some version of
Christian sharia law.
It's time to pull your head out of the sand. The "State Religion"
of America is either atheism or secular humanism. We have just as much
government control of the doctrines dictated by government to establishments of
religion as any European country. Obama has dictated that establishments of
religion WILL provide birth control and abortions to anyone who works at those
establishments, regardless of what the 1st Amendment says about the limits the
people put on the government.Life has no value in America. Over
50,000,000 unborn babies were sacrificed by their mothers since 1976. Which
founding father would have ever even uttered the word "abortion"?This week the Boy Scouts voted to protect our sons and grandsons from
leaders whose idea of sexuality would have been abhorred by the founding
fathers.No change in values? It all depends on how much you think
"values" have slipped since this nation was founded.The
murder rate is a reflection of the lack of respect that people have for God and
for God's children.
1. If we don't have God in our lives - how is that the Government's
fault?[Unless the letter writer is suggesting Government forced religion.
Ala, The Taliban, Sharia Law, etc.]2. Gangs operate on the same
premise as "Capitalism".Buy and sell whatever the market demands,
Get Government out of the way, Dog eat dog, only the strong
survive, do whatever is necessary to crush the competition, King of
the Hill.[Unless the letter writer is suggesting we eliminate
Capitalism.]Sometimes, it seems Conservative can't see that the
"values" they espouse are sometimes their own worst enemy...
@Mike Richards. The number of abortions is decreasing. Does President Obama get
credit for that?
"It seems that maybe the problem started when God was taken out of our lives
by government..."Don't be silly. If you want
to live in a country run according the conservative religious dogma, Uganda,
Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iran await you.Otherwise, try instead
living in the real world of constitutionally protected liberty, including
freedom from being forced to abide by the religious rules set forth by religions
to which you don't subscribe.If your religion wants you to do
certain things that make no sense but are otherwise harmless to other people,
then go ahead, knock yourself out. But if you want everyone to
abide by the nonsensical rules of your own religion, then expect a legal
challenge, and expect to lose.
@ UtahBlueDevil. First of all, I never said what you said I said so thanks for
putting words in my mouth. Secondly, what I DID say I have learned by experience
and observation and its no comic book version of the world. It may be to you but
then again, who's version of our country is a comic book version? Now that
is a relevant question.
“The Founding Fathers believed and established this Country on principles
such as hard work, ...”.A portion of “The Founding
Fathers” utilized slave labor to accomplish most of the “hard
work” on their private properties.The nation that they helped
establish, when all is said and done, is among the best on this planet. But
these men had some flaws and their works were not 100 percent perfect.
To Mountanman May 25UBD is right. You do paint broad brush strokes
w/ only 2 colors (black and white). The last Star Wars flick (Revenge...) may
not have been right but they weren't wrong when they said, "Only the
Sith think in terms of absolutes."Personally, I think you taking
the easy way out psychologically, emotionally, & mentally to limit your
perception and beliefs.
New Hampshire and Vermont have the highest rates of atheism, and the lowest
rates of crime in this nation. When all 50 states are looked at as a whole
there's just no correlation between religiosity and gun violence (and
I'm being generous saying there's no correlation since the Bible belt
states in the south are very high for gun violence).@MountanmanWe know guns don't kill people, but people kill people with guns (to the
tune of 30,000 a year in this nation including gun-used suicides), so by
regulating guns we are regulating people so that the people who want to kill
people with guns are less likely to have those guns.
re: Mike Richards on 5/25And here we go.... 1) The
"state religion" is a philosophy? Hmmm!? 2) The alleged decline in this
nation has nothing to do w/ *values*. *values* are subjective as is a
philosophy. It has everything to do w/ the creation of the Fed which was the
beginning of the corporate state i.e. Fascism in the US. 3) Murder has some to
do w/ lack of respect but there is more correlation with the fact it is a crime
of passion.Tell me Mike; Are you for replacing the Eagle as the
symbol of the US w/ an ostrich??
Back to slavery! Back to oppressing women! Back to killing Indians! Yep, we
need to go back to the values of the Founders!
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