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Published: Thursday, May 23 2013 4:20 p.m. MDT

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wer
South Jordan, UT

It's about money, and the homosexual agenda will not be satisfied with this decision or even if BSA welcomes homosexual adults with open arms. This conflict will not end in their minds until BSA teaches that any and all sexual orientation is acceptable and even taught as such by BSA.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

The door is now ajar. The winds of society have blown open the door.

Claudio
Springville, Ut

Wer,

Don't speak for people you don't know.

Good call BSA.

ImABeliever
Provo, UT

Currently serving as Boy Scout Committee Chairman and having been a Boy Scout Leader
in other capacities in the Boy Scouts of America for a number of years I thought I
would never live to see something like this.
Also, as a Member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day - Saints living in Utah in gives me consideration whether to remain in the Boy Scouts Organization.
It is true we are living in the Last days.

Rocket Science
Brigham City, UT

BSA’s "change" upholds present standards and emphasizes inclusivness. The BSA has always accepted all youth who are committed to do their best to do their duty to God, country, fellow men, live up to the Scout law and who commit to keep themselves physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight. Morally straight encompasses a tremendous commitment to do what is morally right including; no “sexual conduct, whether homosexual or heterosexual, by youth of Scouting age”. Homosexual conduct is still contrary to the virtues of Scouting.

Same gender attraction is not the same as homosexuality and youth should not be advertising their sexual desires around the campfire or other scouting activities. Any youth who has a same gender attraction, as all scouts in all situations, should be protected from any hazing, bullying or harmful/embarrassing initiation, BSA forbids it. A Scout Master is obligated to help scouts learn to do right, live the oath taken. Counseling on moral and repentance issuess however are left to ecclesiastical leaders and are confidential.

I hope the 70 percent of leaders who say they will limit or stop their participation will continue to full-heartedly support BSA.

lmc
West Jordan, Utah

I've been involved with Scouting in Utah for decades. I have been involved in Woodbadge Scoutmaster training for over 20 years. I have taught Youth Protection Training to new Scout leaders. I never knew that BSA did not allow youth to join if they had questions about their sexual orientation. Frankly, most normal 11-12 year olds are just beginning to notice there is a difference. There is no question regarding sexual orientation on the BSA application. Never has been. I have never known any youth to be denied participation. As a matter of fact I have always been instructed that LDS sponsored Scouting units invite and encourage all youth within LDS Ward boundaries to register whether or not they were LDS. The LDS Church always paid their registration fees so that all could participate.

The first I heard that BSA "banned any boy joining Scouts" was when I saw it on the news. I didn't believe it then and it still has not been my experience despite hearing it repeated over and over by the media. The "new" policy is nothing new. It is exactly what has been done in every Scout unit with which I have associated.

paintandestroy
Richmond/Cache, UT

This is the right move, kids with conflicted sexual feelings should be welcomed in a nurturing environment where good role models can be found and a persons identity is the sum of many attributes, not just one- If the policy goes further to include homosexual adults I wouldn't think twice about distancing myself and my kids from scouts.

Abbygirl
East Carbon, UT

I am shocked, no stunned, no confused, all of the above! But I am sure that church leaders took it to the Lord, but it is worrisome to me, But who am I to question my Savior who died for ALL of our sins!

ClarkHerlin
Provo, UT

This is a good idea. At least within the Church, both Sacramental-worthiness and Scouting participation with be intertwined. The Church teaching no homosexual activity whatsoever (not just no homosexual sex). They'll do well on enforcing that as they currently do. The boys will be given their agency, but all will suffer the consequences, whether gay or straight.

Go Big Blue!!!
Bountiful, UT

Not only is it the right answer, it is in tune with the LDS General Authorities. And that is good enough for me.

chris87654
LAKE SAINT LOUIS, MO

Go Big Blue!!! sez: " Not only is it the right answer, it is in tune with the LDS General Authorities. And that is good enough for me."

This may be true, but no one really knows what God thinks about the gay issues.
What we DO know is God doesn't base His decisions on getting/losing votes, getting/losing members/dollars in a church, being "politically correct", or making changes based on a human majority.

I've got to go with Mother Nature .... at this time, It's impossible for human gays to reproduce naturally.

Interloper
Portland, OR

"The BSA has always accepted all youth who are committed to do their best to do their duty to God, country, fellow men, live up to the Scout law and who commit to keep themselves physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight."

Actually, the Boy Scouts of America allowed racial segregation through the 1970s in Southern and Southwestern councils. It is important to acknowledge the real history of all organizations, not mythology that whitewashes what occurred in the past.

JonathanPDX
Portland, Oregon

It's a shame it has taken this long to show boys who happen to be gay that they are worthy of being included in activities that are wholesome and uplifting. If people really believed all their propaganda about "hating the sin and loving the sinner", this inclusion would have happened long ago.

It's important that young men have the ability to have good role models and to understand that they need not act upon their feelings, just because society seems to believe they should or that they will, but choose a more noble path.

If we are to be truly Christ-like, then we need to stop judging others for their perceived sins or actions and start loving them for their potential as worthwhile and righteous children of God.

I am proud to see the LDS Church growing to include those who truly need a moral compass in their lives, and to help teach them that Christ loves all his sheep, not just those with the whitest wool.

idablu
Idaho Falls, ID

I agree that this really doesn't change anything with regard to Church policy.

However, I strongly believe that the Church was absolutely right in regard to Prop 8 and the definition of "marriage."
And it disturbs me that ever since California and Prop 8 the Church has been pretty quiet in other campaigns redefining "marriage" across the States.

Dubai Holladay
Dubai, UAE, 00

It's about time...Being GAY is NOT a choice and for the Scouts to still be teaching ignorance, hatred and intolerance to other kids is a shame. This is not part of the diabolical homosexual agenda(who makes this stuff up?) Love is all around us, so why all the hate from Adults? I don't understand it, children are not born with Hate or Intolerance they learn it from Parents, Teachers and Preachers. I was born and raised in Utah and I never felt all the Hate that I'm seeing now. Wake up, Utah this should not be who you are.

John Wilson
Idaho Falls, 00

I'm not sure how I feel about the decision one way or the other. A 60 percent approval of the change still leaves a lot of no votes. It will be interesting to see how this works out. The only thing for sure is the so called activists are not finished, they have just started.

Captain Green
Heber City, UT

First of all, nobody IS Gay. There are just people who do homosexual things and it is still considered wrong even by those leaders voting to allow Scouts with same-sex attraction issues to participate in Scouting. If a young man acts on his inclinations, however, he will be expelled from the BSA post haste, because the Scout Law says he must be "Morally Straight." And THAT presents the problem. Boys sleeping next to each other in a confined tent on a camp out may be tempted to push the limits. And this is why the policy should not have been changed. There are going to be problems. And decent families will likely be pulling their boys out of Troops as they hear of "awkward encounters."

BlueSouth
MC KINNEY, TX

Let's forget the religious and philosophical arguments for a moment and talk about this in practice... Does any parent want their son to go camping with girls? I assume most parents would say no... okay, then why? Is it because of the potentiality of sexual conduct between boys and girls on the camping trip? Would a parent feel different if the girl joining the camping trip was not sexually involved with their son or any other boy? So does this change if a boy has the same sexual orientation as a girl. He may not be acting on his impulses, but neither is the girl... so do we open the door to girls too? Oh wait, I guess some would argue that its different because in one case the attraction is mutual (boy-girl scenario) while the other is one way (boy-boy scenario). I don't think it really makes a difference. In practice this policy makes no sense.

I know it. I Live it. I Love it.
Salt Lake City, UT

To my fellow members of the LDS Church who are complaining about the BSA, please remember...

The LDS Church welcomes members who struggle with same-gender orientation.
The LDS Church teaches all members to live according to certain principles.

The BSA is only doing the same as we have been doing. Youth struggle with feelings, confused or not, straight or not. We still welcome them to Sunday School, young men's, ward camp-outs, and to sacrament meeting.

We do not welcome sin, but we are also commanded not to cast out a sinner. We are all sinners at some point in some way. If we turn a boy away simply for having feelings, especially one who chooses not to act on them, then where do we stand?

I marvel when I see some LDS parents take no measures to protect their children from the online world when they themselves once struggled for years because of the same lack of protections.

When we will not help our youth (whatever their feelings), though their consequences be their own, we will have brought consequences on our own heads. The gospel is one of repentance, not exclusion.

Mack2828
Ft Thomas, KY

I have tried particularly hard to make this a civil and thoughtful post in hopes that it can somehow be approved by the editors and get posted.

Here are my views on this issue: Nobody is "gay." Some people feel desires to engage in sexual relations with those of the opposite sex. These desires come from the evil one and if acted on are sin.

I believe the BSA (and all of us) should be loving towards every young man and have the courage to teach every young man the timeless value that sex with someone of your same gender is not morally straight. When the BSA argued before the supreme court in 2000 they testified that that was one of their "core values." Today they decided that it is no longer so.
I wasn't allowed to vote today, but I can vote with my wallet and my time. I will no longer give any money to friends of scouting or volunteer to work for the BSA in any way.

I WILL continue to treat all people with love and respect and I will work in other ways to help young men learn timeless values.

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