Punishing people? Are we losing the freedom of thought, and expression?This isn't the America I grew up in.What? These people
will decide what medical care we may receive? Can a seventy year old be denied a
costly hip replacement due to age? This isn't the United States of America.
What's our commander in chief doing to protect of American
TruthseekerYou might not remember it, but it was the Reagan White
House that broke the Iran/Contra scandle. That did not stop the Congress from
going full tilt investigation. Sometimes when an administration is going to be
caught, they will come out first to try to lessen the impact. That is clearly
what is happening here. It does not in any way, nor should it, deter Congress
from looking into all of this stuff. Obama and his people don't deserve
any more cover than Clinton or Reagan got, which was none.
J. Russell George, a Treasury Department inspector general, testified Tuesday to
the Senate Finance Committee that his department was in touch with Issa's
office several times in 2012 and this year regarding its IRS investigation.Here's a transcript of the exchange between George and Sen. Robert
Menendez (D-N.J.), a member of the committee:MENENDEZ: Inspector
General, did Chairman Issa send a letter on August 3rd of 2012 to all the
inspector generals reminding them that under the Inspector Generals Act, it
requires IGs to report particularly flagrant problems to Congress through the
agency head within seven days, via what has been known as the seven-day letter?
Did you receive that letter? And, if so, did you respond to inform Chairman Isaa
of your investigation into the IRS?GEORGE: Senator, we did receive the
letter, and Chairman Issa's committee was the first to actually contact us
regarding this matter. And so through the course of engaging the review, on
occasion we have had communications with his staff.MENENDEZ: In
2012?GEORGE: And since then, yes.
The beauty of Obama's administration is that nobody is ever responsible for
anything. They're just a bunch of kindergarten kids our for a walk. They
look, but they don't see. They see, but they don't understand.How about replacing everyone in that administration with adults who know
how to accept responsibility? This last round of atrocities has
shown that Obama's administration is the first and foremost enemy to the
freedom of America's citizens and of her press. But nobody in Washington
has a clue about what is going on. How wonderful!
@Ralph"BTW, whatever happened to that Benghazi thing?"It's still brewing. I've heard some speculation that this IRS
thing was leaked to draw some attention away from Benghazi. I don't think
it worked. There are more whistle blowers coming to testify before Congress.
It looks like the Benghazi thing is going to end up being a huge
deal for Hillary Clinton AND Barak Obama. Someone issued a 'stand
down' order to the military and let 4 Americans die. That's not
something that is going to go away.
IRS hearings:MENENDEZ: Inspector General, did Chairman Issa send a
letter on August 3rd of 2012 to all the inspector generals reminding them that
under the Inspector Generals Act, it requires IGs to report particularly
flagrant problems to Congress through the agency head within seven days, via
what has been known as the seven-day letter? Did you receive that letter? And,
if so, did you respond to inform Chairman Isaa of your investigation into the
IRS?GEORGE: Senator, we did receive the letter, and Chairman Issa's
committee was the first to actually contact us regarding this matter. And so
through the course of engaging the review, on occasion we have had
communications with his staff.MENENDEZ: In 2012?GEORGE:
And since then, yes.(Menendez is a Senator from NJ, George is the
Inspector General of the Treasury who conducted the investigation into IRS
The act or law that creates 501(c)(4) is highly unconstitutional,It
seriously violates 1st amendment right."Congress shall not
abridge..."The act or law should be abolished, they have never
ever tried to try a violation in court.This assault on the freedoms
and rights of Conservative groups is abhorrent and a grotesque and tyrannical
violation of the powers of government.It is so wide spread and
coordinated is is clearly came from high up.and it all started
immediately after a meeting Obama had with a top IRS official nearly 3 years
ago.Obama and his administration is most certainly involved if they
did not dictate this action.Yes, government tyranny is alive and
well despite the denials of the left.
"My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of
openness in Government. We will work together to ensure the public trust and
establish a system of transparency, public participation, and collaboration.
Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness
in Government."Barak ObamaUnbelievable, believable,
peterAlpine, UTTo Tolstoy--true point. But what CEO wouldn't
investigate any misconduct/inappropriate behavior by any of his employees, then
take proper action to hold his employees accountable for such misbehavior. That's what happend so....?
It is real convenient that the ex-Commissioner, a Republican appointee,
didn't know anything about this program during his last 2-3 years of his
tenure. If he was that incompetent, then the President is happy to have a
Republican to blame. If this Commissioner didn't know due to the
compartmentalization of the program and clandestine as it appears it was, that
was to keep the commissioner unaware of that program. It has happened before
where the lower level employees would not be whistleblowers as there is
retribution or the threat of retribution from those that were over those
employees. Or were the employees complicit with the administration's
efforts to subvert the system, such as a mock or ad-hoc configuration control
board for the information systems management of those records. With the
upcoming move to link the IRS with comprehensive healthcare would have required
the whole computer process configuration board work on that changeover for the
past 3 years, the same time as this program was in force. Does that mean the
healthcare program and the conservative information process were intermingled
into the same program to mask the existence of the right wing gathering
Re:peter, RedHeadedBenghazi---Accountability Review Board, headed by
Ambassador Thomas Pickering with Admiral Mike Mullen and 3 others to
determine:"whether the attacks were security related; whether
security systems and procedures were adequate and implemented properly; the
impact of intelligence and information availability; whether any other facts or
circumstances in these cases may be relevant to appropriate security management
of U.S. missions worldwide; and, finally, whether any U.S. government employee
or contractor, as defined by the Act, breached her or his duty."The criminal investigation of the September 11-12, 2012, Benghazi attacks, for
which the statutory responsibility rests with the F.B.I.IRS
investigation initiated by the Treasury Inspector General.Fast and
Furious--Investigated by DOJ Inspector General, with multiple people fired,
retired or reassigned.To name a few...It is evident to
the majority of Americans that Republican's priority is to smear Obama (and
Clinton), to shut down and oppose any and all legislative activity
passed/proposed by Democrats and signed by Obama. "Fact-finding" is
merely the label Republicans apply to conceal their ultimate goal.
"So what part of FORMER irs chief is throwing you off?"Someone resigning a few weeks before they intended on leaving is one thing.
Being fired is another. Miller wasn't fired. Ask anyone who has been fired,
and they will tell you that this is not being fired.Also, who else
was fired? Apparently since only Miller was "fired", only Miller was
responsible. Is that the case?Peter has it right. These CEOs, in a
sense, seem to be so incompetent as to not take any action to prevent these
things from happening again. They just "fire" one guy who was going to
leave in a few weeks anyway and call it good. Any CEO would get fired for not
dealing with a scandal like that, especially for a company that is even close to
the size of the federal government.
To Tolstoy--true point. But what CEO wouldn't investigate any
misconduct/inappropriate behavior by any of his employees, then take proper
action to hold his employees accountable for such misbehavior. Only in big,
corrupt government. And that's part of the whole problem, our federal
government is too big.
Rank HypocrisyBack in 2003 when a couple of soldiers just above the
rank of private took inappropriate pictures of Iraqi prisoners the international
and Washington press HOWLED and wrung their hands that it seemed Bush almost
demanded a direct live video feed of the abuse to the White House.Now, ten years after, when a government agency repeatedly audits law-abiding
citizens who are correctly exercising their first amendment right to criticize
the government, No one did it. Give guns to Drug Lords? No one did it.
Monitor reporters' phone calls? No one did it. Rescue an Ambassador?
Can't do it. $6 Trillion in new debt? Not him. Barry just heard about it
on the news like everyone else.Remember, Barry is only responsible
for the positive actions of Seal Team Six.Is it any wonder why we no
longer trust a "free and independent" press?
@riverton coug So what part of FORMER irs chief is throwing you
off?If you are referring to Obama you show me any CEO of any company
even coming close to the size of the federal government that knows what all the
workers in every office across their company is doing and I will show you
someone that is diluting themself.
"For more than a year, from 2011 through the 2012 election, members of
Congress repeatedly asked Shulman about complaints from tea party groups that
they were being harassed by the IRS."Russell George, the
Inspector General, sent a letter to R-Rep. Darrell Issa, Chairman of the
Committee on Oversight and Reform on July 2012 that they were looking into the
matter and conducting an investigation. If Republicans didn't know an
investigation was underway, perhaps they should call Darrell Issa to testify why
he didn't inform them. Secondly, until the investigation was
completed nobody should testify that Conservative groups were unfairly targeted
should they? Facts needed to be gathered and examined before conclusions are
reached. The Republicans make conclusions, and then selectively pick the facts
to support their conclusions.Thirdly, this area of the tax code is
fraught with problems. The statute says that an organization is operated
EXCLUSIVELY for the promotion of social welfare as opposed to political
activities. The Treasury Dept. needs to clarify what "exclusive" means
and what types of activities promote social welfare as opposed to political
activity. "Tea Party" is well recognized as a political movement, while
the Sierra Club is recognized for environmental concerns.
So, either these people are lying to us and they knew about it. The appropriate
response would be to fire them all.Or else, they are telling the
truth and they don't know a thing. In that case, they are just so ignorant
and incompetent that we would be wise to question why they are in the positions
they are in. The appropriate response would be to fire them all.In
either case, why are these guys still in office?Apparently they did
know something, which explains why any firing hasn't been done.
It is time to eliminate the 5ht Amendment defense for public officials with
regards to corruption. They should be forced to testify against themselves with
a lie detector attached.Bill Clinton couldn't remember anything
under oath but a wrote a 900 page book. Not bad for a guy who can't
remember nothin.The 5th Amendment is there to protect the people
from a tyrannical government. A tyrannical government now hides behind it from
the people. We require folks in the CIA and FBI and other jobs where national
security is at stake to testify with a lie detector attached. Certainly the
Presidency is even more sensitive.We also need two attorneys
general. One that has to answer to the President and another to answer to the
party out of power. These clowns would never be so brazen if they knew that they
could not stop investigations. The deterrent factor alone would make it worth
Since the IRS will most likely stonewall any/all questions, I'll
speculate.This Presidential administration has cultivated a culture
of "end justifies the means". They started with the passage of
Obamacare. Remember the "cornhusker kickback", or the "louisiana
purchase"? How about "fast and furious" which, most of us believe,
was really used to try to justify all those nasty looking AR15's being
BANNED because they were winding up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.
Fortunately there was a whistleblower, (who, BTW, is receiving retribution for
his attempts at good citizenship skills).Why WOULDN'T IRS
agents want to jump on the bandwagon to promote the Obama agenda? After all,
they still received 90 million in bonuses, even while the rest of the nation was
switching to food stamps and unemployment.They, most probably,
didn't think anyone would ever catch them anyway. Who DARES to question
the IRS? Not me.Its doubtful ANY IRS employees will receive much of
anything besides maybe an admnistrative "slap on the wrist".Does anyone REALLY believe Holders justice dept. would ever prosecute "one
of the team"?
I only wish someone in these testimonies would tell Senator Baucus that they
were only doing what he suggested in 2010, scrutinizing 501(c)(4)
organizations.The hypocrisy in Washington knows no bounds.
" "Mr. Miller, that's a lie by omission," said Sen. Orrin Hatch
of Utah,..."And if anybody knows anything about lying by
omission, it's our esteemed Senator from Utah.BTW, whatever
happened to that Benghazi thing?