Published: Tuesday, May 21 2013 12:00 a.m. MDT
Really now, more deaths because of Medicare, Tricare, and Medicaid and other
government programs I In all my years, I have never heard that from people on
those programs. Pre-existing conditions occur with private insurance companies
far more than with any government program. Please do your research first.
Kind of hard to have reasoned, fact based discussions on issues like health care
when politicians take a reasonable issue and completely turn it into something
it is not.And the partisan masses swallow it without question.The whole "Death Panel" is based on the notion that doctors
could get compensated for their time when discussing options with the family of
a very ill loved one.Talking about "death panels" screams
low information voter.
Or insurance companies.
@JoeBlow – “Talking about "death panels" screams low
information voter.”And a political party that celebrates it as
a virtue… the legacy of Sarah Palin lives on.
We already have death panels: the insurance companies.One often
hears that "all life is sacred," which usually means that "all life
is sacred till it's out of the womb," or that "all life is sacred
till it becomes a matter of money."If there is a right to life,
there is also a right to the things necessary for maintaining life - food,
clothing, shelter, and healthcare - otherwise this "right" is nothing
but words on paper.
....and we are supppose to feel better that FOR profit Insurance companies pick
and choose who lives and who dies?BTW: Corporations base ALL
decisions on earnings, not votes.Governments base decisions on votes, not
To "Open Minded Mormon" you really don't pay attention to things do
you. You complain about private health insurance, but don't seem to care
that government insurance is far worse.For example, the ACA was
going to cut deficits. How is that possible without them taking in more than
what the program costs. That is profit, and the government was going to do so
without a peep from your ilk.Next, government insurance programs are
riddled with 2 times the fraud that private companies experience, while only
insuring half as many people.Medicare denies claims at a much higher
rate than private insurance companies.With all the problems of
government programs, why would you support them?
Michael A. Cosman, your letter is based on what? Will you show us? Experience? I
think not. Sarah the half governor? Maybe.
This letter is pure nonsense. Death panels are already in place. They are
called Insurance Companies.
As my relative lost his job several weeks ago, he is now without health
insurance. He is working hard trying to find another job. Money for caring for
his little diabetic child has dried up. I'm helping, but it's
unbelievably expensive. When I think that in Europe, where I lived for a while,
this wouldn't even be an issue, it makes me want to cry. The conservative
philosophy that rules this country ("you're on your own, little
girl") is cruel and sickening.
The stupidity of the left never ceases to amaze, and their loyal brown nosing,
defense of obama is equally nauseating. Death panels were never about a doctor
or two deciding whether one lives or dies. Please try not to confirm to the rest
of us, that YOU are a low informed voter. Death panels are about a misguided
government program, that only a mindless sap would support, which inefficiently
wastes or distributes resources, and will never be able to provide all that is
promised or dreamed of. Therefore, when the pot of money used to provide for
citizens healthcare, starts to dry up, "death panels" will be required
to step in and decide who doesn't and who does receive healthcare, in order
to preserve and prolong the dwindling pot of money. Given the track record of
the anti-tyranny conservative organizations, in predicting the types of scandals
that this administration uses to suppress voters and information during the past
year, any leftist accusing the other side of "low information" has zero
@HaHaHaHa, Medicare has been around for some time now. Show us the death panels.
Who has died because of lack of health care? And were is the right to food,
clothing or shelter in the constitution? We have an abundance of it do to lack
of guarantee. Capitalism creates a market for things we need. Marx thought a
right to food, clothing and Shelter was a good idea. What happened were that
was a right?
Health care costs are soaring because of unrestrained demand. Unrestrained
demand is the natural consequence of health care recipients not paying for their
own health care, but simply demanding care without having to consider their own
ability to pay. The situation we've had, in which employers pay our health
care "insurance" premiums, is not ideal because it creates the
perception that it is "free", resulting in increased demand without
regard for cost.The transition to government-run healthcare
addresses the problem of unrestrained demand with a big stick; that is, we can
be compelled by government to accept less, both as health care recipients and
providers. The "death panel" is the entity that decides how to spend
limited resources in the face of unrestrained demand. There is some degree of
truth in claims that insurance companies are death panels, although they do have
contractual obligations that can be enforced in a court of law. Government-run
health care eliminates any contractual constraints.The best solution
is for people to pay for their own health care and restrain their own demand.
This also creates the opportunity for us to provide charitable assistance for
those with fewer resources.
HaHaHa writes"Please try not to confirm to the rest of us, that
YOU are a low informed voter."Happy to do so for you HaHa. My
original post is exactly correct.This from Forbes"At
the time of Palin's original death panel claim, the IPAB hadn't been
written into legislation. Her claim instead was focused on language being
proposed in the bill that would require Medicare to pay for end-of-life
counseling. The death panel myth grabbed hold even though the vast majority of
Americans are in favor of payment for end-of-life counseling"Palin is the mother of the "death panel" myth.
To "JoeBlow" stop proving HaHaHa right. Here is more recent information
that validates what Palin said.Read "Krugman: Death Panels and
Middle-Class Tax Hikes Ahead" at Investor's Business Daily. There we
find that leading Democrats are saying that the death panels are coming.Better yet watch "Dems Admit: Yep, Death Panels are coming" at
the BlazeAlso see "Why we need 'death panels'" at
MSNSeems that the Death Panels are coming and the Dems now admit it.
Pops,Other than someone who wants care when none is required, why
would “free” healthcare mean I go to the doctor more often? I have
good health insurance and I avoid going whenever I can.But as to
considering the ability to pay imposing some measure of self-restraint – I
agree. The problem is that most of us do not have the ability to pay for
something catastrophic. Surely, whatever cost savings might be available with
such a plan would not account for heart surgery and all of its required
therapies. Most folks would be bankrupted by a single significant health event.
Their restraint would be simple – they could not afford to get sick, they
would not get care, and death or disability would result.Finally,
this is not govt. run healthcare. My friends who work in private insurance are
gearing up for the new clients. Not to say it is my solution, just that it is
not govt. run.
Her (Palin) first post was about a proposal in the emerging bill that would
allow Medicare to pay for doctor’s appointments for patients to discuss
living wills and other end-of-life issues. Palin’s decision to call this
pending provision a “death panel” ignited a firestorm that resulted
in the language being removed from the final legislation. The debate
predated the relaunch of The Fact Checker column, but our colleagues of
PolitiFact awarded Palin with the 2009 “Lie of the Year” for the
death panel claim.Spin it any way you like.
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