Published: Tuesday, May 21 2013 9:17 a.m. MDT
"Declaration of Religious Principle"Strange how straight
people think gay people can't be religious.Ideally, children
shouldn't engage in sexual conduct anyway.
'Religious' is a very vague term nowadays. However, the measure of
any follower of Christ will be in acknowledging His laws, his way, and striving
to live by it. According to some, the definition of 'religious' would
be anybody who says 'hello' with a smile while stripping Jesus of the
'weightier' matters of Christian living.
I'm grateful 70% to 80% of the local leaders are still willing to stand
firm on the standards established early on by the BSA. Others clearly buckle
under the constant pressure exerted by the LGBT crowd. Either we stand for
morality, or we don't. And to say the Scouting program can have feet in
both camps is nonsense and the program becomes somewhat pointless (the term
"morally straight" would now be offensive).And this brings
up another point...Can boys from polygamous families participate in
the BSA program? Anyone have an answer?
Scouting is not about religion or "Christian Living" and originally was
about preparing young men to go to war.Scouting has succeeded
because it's fun for most young men to go on adventures and learn survival
skills like mountain men and Native Americans or other hobbies opened up with
Merit badge achievement. Being an Eagle Scout I can tell you the
worst/boring part was the religious influence and not being able to camp over a
whole weekend because religious folks wanted us back in Church on Sunday instead
of a place where God resides in peace.
@Happy Valley HereticI am also an Eagle Scout and would totally
disagree with that assumption on not being about "Christian Living". As
you dig deeper into Scouting it's all about Christian Living and improving
our faith in Christ. But individuals still have a choice if they want to
accept/follow Christian Living. Regardless of Christian principles in Scouting,
people will still benefit from what they learn during these years. Your a prime
example of how non-religious people can still get along with religious people,
Imagine that concept.
Re: MapleDonThe answer to your question is an obvious yes. I
don't know what relevance the question possibly has to the article, but
there is your answer, just the same. The 20-30% of leaders you
claim are promoting immorality include the leaders of the LDS Church. Please be
sure to abandon your anonymity and express your opinion to your bishop this
Sunday.I have no idea what sexuality has to do with Scouting. In
20+ years with the organization, not once has sexual orientation been discussed,
brought up, or had a passing mention in any activity or meeting. The kids
don't care about it. Why are the adults obsessed with discussing what one
does in the privacy of their own bedroom?
@ClaudioWho are the leaders in the LDS Church that are promoting
@MapleDon --"Can boys from polygamous families participate in
the BSA program? Anyone have an answer?"Why wouldn't
they?@banderson --"'Religious' is a very
vague term nowadays. However, the measure of any follower of Christ will be in
acknowledging His laws, his way, and striving to live by it."Fortunately, your interpretation of "His laws" doesn't get to win
just because you say it should.Many religious people support gay
rights. And many gay people are religious. A fair number of gay people are
pastors of their churches, or serve their churches in other capacities. You
don't have a monopoly on religious belief.
I had gay scouts in my troop growing up. That wasn't a big issue to me. The
only issue I had is they didn't want to go camping, hiking, boating,
shooting etc. The only interest they had was to shop at Nordstrom or shopping in
general. Which is fine. However, when 10 of the boys want to go camping and 2 of
the boys throw a fit about it. It becomes a bit much.Not saying all
gay people will act this way, but, that was the experience I had with gay
scouts.So, if they do make it open to gay scouts, they need to
understand what they are getting into and if they are willing to go in the
hikes, bike riding, camping, shooting, boating etc then that is fine with me. If
they're going to sit there and criticize the leaders and belittle anyone
that doesn't shop the finest stores, then they probably need to find a
different organization that better meets those needs.
Re: Area 52To my knowledge, none. MapleDon, however, seems to know
better than you or I.
their duty to God by making adherence to what is known as a "Declaration of
Religious Principle" a key requirement for youth membership. "any" sexual conduct by youth of scouting age would be contrary to the
virtues of scouting.As far as Christian only, the scouts recognize
the following religious awardsUnity of Mankind BahaiSangha
BuddhistBuddhist HinduIn the Name of God IslamNer Tamid
JewishMany religions adhering to a "Declaration of Religious
I am an Eagle Scout and also a recipient of the Scout's God & Country
award through my Presbyterian Church in the mid-60's. The Scout's ban
on gays is embarrassing, ignorant, mean-spirited and homophobic -- reminds me of
the discrimination that young black men endured during the early 60's to
become Boy Scouts. It is contrary to Scouting values, American values and
Christian values and MUST be overturned.
@LeftcoastrockyWhy would it be okay for gay male leaders to go
camping with adolescent boys? It's like saying it's okay for
adolescent girls to go camping with straight male leaders. We all know that
would not be appropriate! Unless, you have strict rules in place; the BSA is
opening up themselves with real problems. I do think it's okay
for the BSA to let openly gay boys into scouts but definatley not gay men as
leaders who oversee and interact with these young boys.
Contrarius: Fortunately, or unfortunately to some, God does have a monopoly on
truth, despite the efforts by some to change that truth.
@Area 52 you are referring to pedephiles NOT gay men or women. Most
molestation is by men who Identify themselves as heterosexual.Your a
prime example of how religious people can still get along with gay people, If
they only understand who they are talking about.
bandersen, I agree Zeus is also be pleased with your devotion.
I disagree with this opinion piece. I feel sick inside when I think of open
homosexuality in scouting. When I look back at how things have changed over the
last twenty years or so I feel like we are being led carefully down to hell, one
gentle step at a time. I wish the church would return to the days of
clarity regarding morality. It seems to me that after the bruising they took
from gay activists over prop 8 they are afraid to speak out and clearly identify
what is right and what is wrong. Very sad.
@LeftcoastrockyThank you for monitoring the DN. Your name clearly
indicates your bias. The Scout's policy on gays meets none of your
outrageous negative claims and is not anti Christian or contrary to this nations
values. My four Eagle Scout sons encountered none of the attitudes you
mentioned, even though there was a gay Scout among them. Perhaps your troop can
craft its own policy, but save the faux indignation. Have a great day.
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