George,Do you seriously believe that Obama and his administration
has been completely honest with us concerning Benghazi? (Hint: Hicks'
testimony suggests the answer is NO).Do you condone that kind of
behavior?Do you believe that Watergate was horrible enough to cause
Nixon to resign?If so, could you please explain how the cover-up for
Watergate was worse than the cover-up for Benghazi? I have yet to hear a good
explanation that doesn't contradict Hicks' and others'
@riverton cougProp 8 is being challenged through the proper channels of
the courts based on the argument that it violates the constitution, are you
ready to try to prove your accusations in a court of law or do you want to keep
up the baseless accusations in the media instead? Even Rand Paul is distancing
himself from your calls for Obamas head. It is get lonely out there isn't
"When exactly did it become patriotic to try to undue the will of the voting
public with a completely lack of evidence to support such an outrageous
action?"George,Are we talking about Obama or Prop
8?"I don’t find it ironic at all, the GOP posters on these
threads prove everyday with their baseless accusations, grand conspiracy
theories and calls to undo the will of the voting public exactly why they should
not be trusted."spring street,I'm sorry that
you find solid testimonies from people who were actually in Libya (such as
Gregory Hicks) to be "baseless accusations". What exactly is a
solid-based accusation? A testimony from Obama himself that he lied? Even then,
even if Obama said that I'm sure many here would still support him. Sad.
@riverton cougar I don’t find it ironic at all, the GOP
posters on these threads prove everyday with their baseless accusations, grand
conspiracy theories and calls to undo the will of the voting public exactly why
they should not be trusted.
@lost right its all just another grand conspiracy lost.
this is all a tempest in a teapot that will soon blow over.The AP
will complain about being violated, but then they will put themselves right back
in the dems' pockets. It's all a facade to try and show that the dems
and lamestream media aren't really in bed with each other.
The Justice department needs to be brought to the wood shed over this. A free
press, protected by our constitution is a must to our country's future.
This scandal will provide more cover for the conservatives in Washington to
continue doing nothing. Other than voting to repeal Romney care 38 times in the
past 2 years they have passed little to no legislation. While cleaning out the
Justice department we need to throw Boehner and the GOP out as well. He and the
GOP leadership has proved without a doubt to be useless and an anchor to our
@Mike Richardsborrowing from you logic regarding swallows
situation.The people have voted for Obama. He has the responsibility
to do that job that he was elected to do, just as you and I have the
responsibility to do our jobs even when "neighbors" think that they
could do our job better or that we should never have gotten that job.The fact is that Obama has not been convicted of anything. If this farce
continues, no position in government will be safe. Some "concerned
citizen" will leak something to the press and the press will print that
"leak" on page one. Other citizens, who should know the law and who
should respect the law, will tell us that because of a "leak", that that
official should step down until he proves himself innocent.What
total nonsense. We are innocent until proven guilty. Innocent people do not step
down. Innocent people do not let "leaks" force them from office. If you have evidance to rpove Obama did something wrong then prove it
beofre the apppropraiate autorities. you just keep proving tolstoys
point about moral relativity.
So many of the poster on this thread seem to want to impeach a president that
was recently elected by the majority of Americans for the second time while
providing no actual proof the president has done anything impeachable. And you
are the same people that regularly tell us we are un-American, hate our country
and are not patriotic, curious. When exactly did it become patriotic to try to
undue the will of the voting public with a completely lack of evidence to
support such an outrageous action?
This is a willful violation of the rule of law protection freedoms of the Press
that have existed from the Founding Fathers, either by law or by acceptance of
what the Press provided for these people who left despot type countries without
power to the people. This President got caught with his hand in the
cookie jar in this case along with his Attorney General. You can't believe
the President didn't know about this process where the Attorney General is
supposed to sign off on this subpoena know that the Press has given this
President all praise and glory from the Nobel Peace prize to now. They have not
blocked any positive communication that the Chicago bunch tried to put out. The
Press bent over backward to help during all times of crises, either real or made
up. They have gone to bat for this President in almost any circumstance even
holding back bad news to the world in favor of the President's supposed
agenda and policies. They haven't pushed him once. They have given him
every break at the cost of losing Journalistic integrity and ethics along the
way. They should have their radar on.
@mike RichardsAcctually mike I have never once speculated on
swallows guilt or inocence, you keep trying to make this about me but your last
post proves my point you use two very different standards depending on who you
are talking about the very definition of relative morality.
Does anybody else find it ironic that Romney didn't win the election
because "we can't trust him"?Either Obama is a liar and
he must go, or else he is the most incompetent president in U.S. history and he
must go.And either Obama won the election because the American
people are so clueless or mislead, or else he didn't actually win the
Now all of the sudden the mainstream press is all up in arms about the
government violating the second amendment. It would have been nice if they would
have stood up for the second amendment when it was recently under heavy attack.
Tolstoy,How many times have the "news" stories about Swallow
used a convicted felon as their source? How many times has Harry Reid told us
that the purported meetings and conversations with John Swallow just didn't
happen?So, which is it? Is Harry Reid correct and John Swallow
didn't do as the convicted felon claimed, or is the convicted felon correct
and Harry Reid is lying?You can't have it both ways. You want
to try Harry Reid and John Swallow in the press, be my guest. When it's
your turn for a trial, I hope you make front page news, then you'll know
the difference between reporting he said / she said and reporting the facts
presented at a government hearing about squelched testimony, about cover-ups,
about misconduct by high government officials, about Obama lying, about Clinton
lying, about Rice lying, about the I.R.S. being used for political purposes,
about the AP's 1st amendment rights being violated.But, you
want gossip instead of hard facts. So does Obama. He prefers the gossip that
emanates from his press secretary to the facts presented by honest people in a
Sure!Obama didn't know about guns to Mexican cartels, Benghazi,
AP break in, and the IRS scandal.The Obama administration
doesn't know what the Obama administration is doing? They knew
what Mitt Romney was doing, even if they had to make things up. Time for a new
@elcapIf Richards is right show me the proof to back up your claim.
@mike richardsYes, by all means, investigate all misdeeds. In the case of
the AP and IRS scandals, how about also investigating those who are demanding
that the president be removed from office? What is their agenda? What do they
have to gain? Who benefits most when the waters around the presidents office is
muddy? Who benefits most when he cannot do his duty? Who would be prosecuted if
he were fully functioning? Somebody does not want him to be able to do his job?
Who is that person or persons? prove your not a hypocrite Mike.
@TolstoyRichards is right. Obama is dodging the law. He hides behind
his underlings out of Chicago and fails to leead. Admit it, we have a man in
the Presidency who leads from behind. We should have recognized is incompentancy
from the outset. I did.
@mike Richards I take "umbrage" at the "FACT" that
you decried swallow being tried in this paper but seem fine doing so in this
same paper to obama. As far as the "FACTS" I ask you once again
where is your evidance pbama was involved in the inappropriate actions taken
against the AP?
Tolstoy,You seem to be hung up on something. You seem to think that
when a newspaper reports something new that has not been published that I think
that the newspaper is trying that person in the press. You're wrong. The
duty of the newspaper is to report news. Obama's misdeeds are news.
FINALLY, the media is paying attention to what he has been up to throughout his
career. FINALLY, the media has had enough of his abuse of power. FINALLY, the
media is taking their duty as the 4th branch of government seriously.And you take umbrage at the media and at me because FINALLY we are learning
FACTS, not suppositions, but FACTS that should have been published immediately
after they occurred. Those facts were suppressed by the Obama administration.
By tapping AP, those in his administration who would have reported the truth of
what had happened will now remain silent, fearing retaliation from him - just as
he has retaliated against anyone who has crossed him in the past - just ask
Hillary Clinton and Susan Rice about their future prospects.Why do
you want the newspaper to stop printing the FACTS about Obama?
@Mike RichardsOnce again putting Obama on trial int eh threads of the DN
are we Mike? what is your proof Obama had anything to do with the records
seizer Mike? and before you (in your many incarnations) start, no I am not
excusing the seizures simply challenging your unfounded claims that Obama was
obama has been doing unconstitutional things ever since getting in the wh and
only when ap gets some of his thuggery tactics deployed on them do they get
concerned. ap, you've backed and given this guy kid glove treatment for
The 1st Amendment says (in part), "Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or
abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;"Our founding
fathers put God first and then the freedom to speak without permission from the
government. Obama's administration has openly violated both of those
guaranteed rights.The 4th Amendment says, "The right of the
people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against
unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall
issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and
particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to
be seized."Without warrants, the Obama administration
"searched" AP. Tie that breach of law to using the I.R.S.
to intimidate people and that breach to lying about Benghazi and about "Fast
and Furious" and you have a government that uses every "power"
available to it to intimidate its citizens. Prosecute all involved,
including the President, if the tracks lead to the Oval Office. Our freedom is