@ John Charity SpringWhy so serious?
to airnaut on 5/20Well, 53% of people do.
This article seems over exaggerated. Think about, only 28% speaking parts where
female? Probably depends on the type of movie you are seeing. And does that
really matter? Doesn't being a character in a movie turn you into an object
since actor portray fictional character and not real one most of the time? Does
it really seem reasonable to say that movies are what cause women to not choose
certain careers or the cause of child pornography? Movies are over the top and
fictional that's why we like them. Most of the bad guys in movies are men,
I guess we found the reason why the majority of crime is done by men. Now
C'mon, does that sound reasonable?
Capitalism.You vote with your wallet.
No one forces women to take-off their clothes in movies, or to dress like
trollops and become sex-objects. Don't women deserve some of the blame
Ah yes, we need more examples in film of women finding a husband before they are
20,staying home raising the children, handling all of the domestic chores of the
house hold, supporting their husbands every need in and out the house, and
generally being subservient to men. Yes that's what this country needs,
that'll fix every thing.
Re: ". . . we have been stuck in the mire of arbitrary, flawed definitions
promoted by churches and religions far too long."Spoken like a
true liberal "progressive."Ring in the "new." Throw
out the "old." No one who lived before me knows a thing. All wisdom is
foolishness. What I say is good, is. Evil is good, good is evil.It's just sad to see otherwise competent individuals delude themselves
with such obvious sophistry.
Besides all of the above the movies from the 1930's on depicted beautiful
and handsome men smoking and drinking in too many scenes. This resulted in the
deaths of millions of Americans and of other countries to cardiovascular
disease, heart attacks and strokes and a large number of women saw that it was
ok and even advised to drink and smoke. Many prominent actors such as Tyrone
Power, Errol Flynn, etc. died before 50. Sly Stallone admitted to receiving
$500,000 to smoke in 4 or 5 movies. My daughters wouldn't be caught dead in
the dressware of the movies for women.
Brian Utley, I think you confused your position. Do you want to restate that?
Brian Utley, Although some "Mormons" maybe believe that, the LDS
church does not believe that in any form. Any form of immodesty should be
avoided like the plague according to our prophets. The actions of one individual
does not affect the divinity of the institution. Trust me, the LDS church is
completely against any immodesty in any form.
It's articles like this that don't adequately present the flip side
that upset me most. Many of your readers are outraged at the narrow definitions
of moral appropriateness and acceptability that you shamelessly promote---in the
name of religion and decency. Arbitrary gender bias is wrong, certainly; but we
have been stuck in the mire of arbitrary, flawed definitions promoted by
churches and religions far too long. The values you sponsor are fine for you,
if that is what you think you want, but are revolting to others like myself.
For instance, many religious people, and many Mormons, for that matter, believe
that there is nothing inherently wrong in showing "skin" and that
prohibitions against nudity are provincial and Victorian...and flat out wrong.
And we believe that the world would be better off if we were done with
There are more complex forces here than just blaming Hollywood liberals. You
have traditional morality joining together with feminism to stand against
artistic expression, chauvinism, capitalist profit-seeking, and good
old-fashioned human lust. Something has to give. Unfortunately my
money's on the latter.
My wife and I rarely go to the movies anymore. We enjoy good movies, but we
don't enjoy the trash that some consider to be "good movies"
because they make a profit. Recently we saw "42". That was
an excellent movie. We were totally shocked at the abuse that Jackie Robinson
had to endure, the names that he was called. The scene where the boy was
confused about what he should do before he followed the example of his father
and joined in with the verbal abuse is exactly what is happening today. We were appalled that anything so base and mean could have been part of
the American culture. Someday, hopefully, a movie will be made where the
viewers will be just as shocked to see how women were used as sex objects and
portrayed as sex objects; where women were mocked unless they looked a certain
way and acted a certain way; where women were called all kinds of names openly
by men who had lost all decency.Just as the boy learned from his
father how to verbally abuse Jackie Robinson, today children are learning from
adults how to disrespect womanhood.
I guess we can forget about all that Bra Burning crap of the 70's...Men get
a life and grow up!
Then don't go to the movies. What outrages me more is the exceedingly
narrow range of human behavior depicted in big budget Hollywood movies. When
every movie has to be bigger, louder, more violent and sexier, then we have the
option of voting with our wallets. But big blockbuster action films get made
because they've profitable. Look in the mirror. And go see something
smaller and more human.
To those who pooh pooh this article, I simply refer you to the book, "The
Naked Communist," which was written in the 50's. In it, W. Cleon
Skousen wrote about the communist agenda and he listed 45 goals they want to
achieve. Here are some of them:24. Eliminate all laws governing
obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech
and free press.25. Break down cultural standards of morality by
promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio
and TV.26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as
"normal, natural, and healthy."40. Discredit the family as
an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.You might not
think this isn't on topic, but making out women to be something to be used
as an object is all part and parcel to breaking down our society. The attack on
women is central to tearing apart our country. Hollywood is nothing more than
part of Gadianton's Band.
We can go back to when "Psycho" was created, and how it was the movie
that pushed the boundaries of skin, violence, and psychotic behaviors which are
pretty much the theme of any movie today. The only strongly fierce
woman/mother roll of late was Sandra Bullock's portrayal in "Blind
Side". I still love that movie!! We need more fierceness like that from a
What a waste of space in what used to be a NEWSPAPER. Big screen exploitation of
women should concern the culture as a whole’, is a total focus on the
non-issues of the day.I do not recall the last time I sat in a movie
theater and paid to be assaulted with racket which drowns out the voice track
while numbing the brain functions to make intelligent thought a non function.We are indeed rushing down the path of Rome with so many stories about sports
heroes clogging the media from all levels. False idols abound in the lives of
most and the result is our nation has deteriorated to a point of immanent
collapse with few even caring. They may as well be in pens with Pavlov's
dogs.Deseret News proclaims that we should be focused on female treatment
and forget that Rome is now on fire.Enjoy the crash you helped create by
focusing on self inflicted treatments of women brought on by the silliness of
Re: ". . . it's a bit much to expect all of us to go through life in a
rage about it."Yeah, liberal rage is reserved for conservatives
truthfully outing liberal complicity in the destruction of our society and
"Movie stars, in their screen personae, were role models. They taught us how
to be brave, suave, adult."I agree with the point of the article
but you can't be a good role model as a character when the entire world
knows you act trashy in your personal life. Back then, they weren't exactly
role models. There were limits being pushed every day and people still bought
tickets instead of making a stand for what they believed. And now the
consequences are that their children believe whatever Hollywood says they
should. Things were not peachy back then. Back then created a lot of what we
I totally agree with this article! Thanks for taking a stand. I am with you.
So are millions of others.We need all the help we can to influence
our youth to maintain a high moral standard.Hollywood does not
represent us very well. Deviant film makers keep pushing boundaries so they can
try to make a name for themselves since they clearly can't do it with
interesting plots and acting. Cheap thrills is where they think it is at.
It may not be popular but I wonder what the change has been in movies in
depicting the role of mothers. I am not opposed to seeing successful women in
any career but that would have to include the vital role of motherhood as a
career choice. I also would like to see motherhood as a main role for measuring
success rather than an add on to some "meaningful" career. Women today
seem to be getting the message that motherhood is not meaningful in and of
it's self. The world's future and certainly our countries future will
depend on importance we place on encouraging successful motherhood. (Lest anyone
gets offended, fatherhood-fulfilling the role of fathers and not just the
creation of children, is not exempt from being absolutely vital) I would bet
the positive role of mothers in film has declined to record a record low also if
anyone cared to check.
This is one of the most correct opinion pieces to ever appear in this paper. Yhe
writer should be commended for having the courage to point out just how morally
bankrupt modern Hollywood has become.During its golden age,
Hollywood produced movies that were uplifting to society. Indeed, the movies
portrayed women with respect, and encouraged men to treat women with kindness
and honor. The movies promoted the values that made America great, such as
moderation, piety, and chastity.Today, the now liberal-leaning
Hollywood has an open and stated agenda of promoting unrestrained and wanton
sexuality. As part of this quest, women are portrayed as mere unthinking toys,
who are vauable only according to the pleasure they provide to others. In fact,
deviant sexuality on the part of women is depicted as not only being acceptable,
but as being desirable.Unfortunately, millions of impressionable
young women are imitating the activities they see depicted in modern movies. Is
iit any wonder that the rates of substance abuse and suicide are at all time
highs for young women? Hollywood deserves swift and sever condemnation for this
horrendous damage to the lives of America's women.
Why is it that every issue these days must create outrage? While I don't
disagree with the basic premise presented, it's a bit much to expect all of
us to go through life in a rage about it. There's a lot of things in life
that are wrong or unfair. Life's too short to experience rage about all of
them. I just don't go to movies anymore.
Why is it that when a sinking ship is going down, it's the women and
children first to be rescued. The continuance of life is the first priority.
That seems to of been lost when the women lib in the 60's and got worse for
the women, before when that ever began.
Contemporary media is messed up. Women's value is only as being physically
attractive to men. This is not a liberal value. This is so far right wing that
those we consider to be conservative are appalled. Not because it is too
liberal but because it is too right wing.60's feminism has
failed women. In the traditional stereotype it was OK for men to sleep around
but women needed to remain chaste. That is wrong but that is where 60's
feminism has failed. The politically dogmatic view says that the stereotype is
wrong because it is OK for women to be a boorish as men. A progressive/liberal
view would say that the stereotype is wrong because men need to be chaste. That
way the two genders treat each other with respect rather than as sexual
The moral decays evidences in the Colosseum of Rome are being "played
out" today in the excesses of the TV/Movies/Internet. We pretend that they
don't really hurt anyone because most of us can watch the trash and
separate reality from fiction (or we pretend that we can but perhaps fail in
little ways). But there are those who can't, who learn and adopt the
terrible messages sent to young women and young men and even older men and older
women. It's sad and we should (myself included) be more aware of what
messages we are supporting with our viewing (either by paying for the show or
supporting the show and allowing the commercials to pay for it).