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Letter: The real death panel: Republican votes to end the Affordable Care Act

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  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    May 21, 2013 8:47 a.m.

    @Mountanman – “According to the Heritage Foundation…”

    The only thing that would have made this funnier is if it was followed by saying, “and in science news, according to Sarah Palin…”
    Thanks for the morning humor…

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    May 19, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    "Look, someone has to die. There's not enough money in the entire world to furnish all the healthcare that everyone needs. So, someone has to go without... and die."

    Then why not you, wrz? Because you are lucky enough to have insurance? Because you are lucky enough to live in a country that gives you opportunity? That provides safety nets? No.

    You should recieve healthcare because you are human. Simple as that.

    I dont know if there is enough money in the "entire world" to provide healthcare to all, but I do know, without any doubt at all, that there are enough resources to be able to do it. No question about it.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    May 19, 2013 6:35 p.m.

    @one old man:
    "An excellent -- and unfortunately true -- letter."

    Look, someone has to die. There's not enough money in the entire world to furnish all the healthcare that everyone needs. So, someone has to go without... and die.

    Right now, before Obamacare, those that 'die' are the poor who can't afford either to pay outright for their healthcare or buy insurance to cover. So, they go without in large measure. When Obamacare kicks in fully, the so-called 'death panels' will decide who will get coverage and who won't. And those who won't are the elderly who need, say a heart transplant, or a hip or knee replacement. Obama has already told them what they should do...'go home and take a pain pill.'

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    May 19, 2013 7:27 a.m.

    "You'd better pray that our two party system is kept alive and well."

    With the modern Republicans as one of those parties? No. I pray that they lose election after election.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    May 19, 2013 12:50 a.m.

    wrz
    Phoenix, AZ

    @Open Minded Mormon:
    "and THAT - my friends- is why the GOP will NEVER again win anymore elections."

    Which will result in a single party system rule... which is a modified version of autocracy.

    You'd better pray that our two party system is kept alive and well.
    9:12 p.m. May 18, 2013

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    I pray DAILY that we have more than a 2 party system.
    But, that would mean the GOP needs to do something different,
    Offer real solutions,
    Stop being a train wreck of roadblocks,
    Stop being the Party of NO, and actually propose solutions.

    Repeating "We hate Obama, women, Hispanics, young people, old people, sick people, poor people, Gay people, ect." just isn't accomplishing anything for the GOP party or America.

    FYI - I'm not a Democrat, and I left the GOP over 30 years ago.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2013 9:33 p.m.

    "Pragmatist. That's wonderful news if it were only true! "

    It's true. You don't follow current events do you, Mountanman?

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    May 18, 2013 9:12 p.m.

    @Open Minded Mormon:
    "and THAT - my friends- is why the GOP will NEVER again win anymore elections."

    Which will result in a single party system rule... which is a modified version of autocracy.

    You'd better pray that our two party system is kept alive and well.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    May 18, 2013 8:34 p.m.

    The conservative fantasy world is working overtime today.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2013 7:18 p.m.

    Hopefully it would be replaced by a medical delivery system that is both universal and sustainable. The ACA is neither. It is a death panel for the US economy.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 18, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    Pragmatist. That's wonderful news if it were only true! Now we can pay off the national debt instead of it hitting $20 trillion by the time Obama leaves office!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    Now they can shut down the tea party. Can you believe 37 ineffective losing acts of legislation?

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    May 18, 2013 1:31 p.m.

    MM, "the thrust of a new report released Tuesday by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, estimating that the deficit for this fiscal year, which ends on Sept. 30, will fall to about $642 billion, or 4 percent of the nation’s annual economic output, about $200 billion lower than the agency estimated just three months ago. " New York Times..same headline on Fox News blog. In addition it was reported that health care spending had slowed significantly. Projections were revised from 8.1 trillion on Medicare and 4.4 trillion on Medicaid to 7.9 trillion and 4.3 trillion

    I don't know what you were reading but here's the facts. 642billion compared to Bush's 1.3 trillion for 2009 and Obamas 1.4trillion for 2010. Plus the slowdown in healthcare spending.

  • CB Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    I remember when I could go to the doctor, pay my own bill, buy my own medication. Do the same for my children. The only insurance we carried was that needed to pay for hospitalization.
    It wasn't until the government got into messing with the medical care system that it became unaffordable and corrupted.
    "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the American Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    May 18, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    @higv
    Dietrich, ID

    Everyone dies that was born anyway and government run healthcare saves zero lives.
    6:37 a.m. May 18, 2013

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    ...and If they're going to die anyway, then they had better do it quickly so as to decrease the surplus population! Good night, gentlemen.

    ...

    and THAT - my friends- is why the GOP will NEVER again win anymore elections.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 18, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    Maverick, You say the deficit is down already. I know some say it is down and some say it is increasing rapidly, depending on whom you listen to. According to CBS News, "The national debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office". So, please explain how our deficits are going down when our debt continues to increase ever more rapidly. I know there is a difference between deficits and debt but please explain how our deficits can go down and our borrowing continues to escalate! If our deficits were really decreasing so would our need to borrow ever more money! Its easy to claim the deficits are going down but the borrowing money facts indicate otherwise.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    May 18, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    Actually, the 'we're all gonna die anyway' comment seems oddly revelatory of a current conservative mindset. They've become the party of Eeyore. "We're all gonna die, so why provide health care?" "Nobody will obey gun laws, so why pass 'em?" "Government can't do anything anyway, so why bother funding it." It's sort of hilariously defeatist.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    May 18, 2013 10:21 a.m.

    Republican Health Care Plan: "Everybody who is born dies anyway.Why try to stop it?"

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    May 18, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    @Lew Jeppson

    You started from a false premise. Obamacare is not necessary to the survival of Medicare. In fact, it weakens Medicare.

    False premises result in false conclusions. Garbage in, garbage out.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 18, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    @ mm

    The deficit is down already. Please do a lil fact check. Thank you.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 18, 2013 9:41 a.m.

    "Everyone dies that was born anyway"

    so why should we have social services? Why should we have clean water? Why have a military? Why have laws against drunk driving? Heck, why even have laws? We are all going to die anyway, right?

    What a worthless argument you attempted.

    "The writer must not have read the act through. I say to the Congress GREAT!"

    Which is why your party is headed to the cemetery. You folks play party politics on our dime. On one hand you act concerned about the debt and then pull off costly and wasteful stunts which merely "send messages." You aren't winning. Your party is just as unpopular as before.

    "According to the Heritage Foundation,"

    Stop right there. Anyone who needs to cite the Heritage Foundation to prove a point has already lost. They might be the only conservative think tank which still actually calls Paul's budget plan a plan. Filled with bad math, fantasy numbers, and outrageous expectations. He might as well have written that the USA will have negative unemployment snd everyone will be a billionaire through his plan!

    Everyone else knows it is a joke... Except the source which you cited.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 18, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    @ Pragmatist, Yes I read the CBO report but you need to go back and read it again. It said the projected deficit will be down in 2023, not today and that if, and only if, the government sticks to its budget and when did that happened last?

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    May 18, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    Heritage Foundation? Did someone quote the Heritage Foundation? All other Conservative think tanks have discredited their numbers and the person that gave them their quoted forecasts has been forced out. Keep up will you?

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    May 18, 2013 8:47 a.m.

    So Mountanman Medicare needs to be reduced because it is too expensive and will break the country. Obama reduces the long term cost of medicare by 750billion with yes some regulations, and yes with some payment savings (mostly drug companies), and yes with some administrative changes and somehow this has become a bad thing. It wasn't a transfer. It was a savings available in accounting ledgers for other health care costs. If you were to reduce medicare costs by 750 billion would you 1)just reduce benefits, or 2)wave a magic wand? Everything else you could do would fall in one of the categories of regulations, payment outlays, or administrative changes.

    You must not of read the latest CBO report this week on the deficit. It's down 200billion from what was projected, which was down over 200billion from last year. Obama has cut the annual deficit in half since '09 and one of the main reasons according to the CBO..Obamacare. So much for raising deficits

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    May 18, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    @higv

    "and government run healthcare saves zero lives." Wrong! My wife is alive today because of a Govt. run health-care program. THe system gave us 8 yrs. and counting, and yes her disease will probably ultimately end her life but we are still holding our ground! I am certain I am not the only one with a story like ours, I suspect there are thousands. So higv I present these facts as proof Govt run health-care does save lives. I will be watching for your proof that they do not!

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 18, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    According to the Heritage Foundation, "Obamacare makes massive changes to the program (Medicare). Obamacare contains more than 160 provisions for Medicare that increase government’s control over the delivery of care, hit doctors with unsustainable payment cuts, and leave taxpayers with higher deficits." Add to that the fact that Obama transferred $750 billion from Medicare to help pay for Obamacare. Please don't try to tell us Obamacare will save Medicare, because clearly, it will not!

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    May 18, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    If you listen to republicans, "we just can't afford to take care of everybody who is sick." If everybody can see a doctor the cost will go up they say.

    Well, the "religious right" apparently has no faith that doing the right thing would bless the nation.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    May 18, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    An excellent -- and unfortunately true -- letter.

  • DougS Oakley, UT
    May 18, 2013 7:26 a.m.

    The writer must not have read the act through. I say to the Congress GREAT! I know that the Senate won't follow suit, and even if they did, Obama would veto the bill. I am using Medicare as my primary coverage and I can, according to the act, look forward to reduced services as well as tax increases.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    May 18, 2013 6:37 a.m.

    Is it necessary to be morbid to get a point across? Name one person that died because the government didn't provide healthcare? Everyone dies that was born anyway and government run healthcare saves zero lives.

  • Mad Hatter Provo, UT
    May 18, 2013 2:01 a.m.

    House Republicans only voted on this wasted legislation so that their members can go back to their districts in 2014 and say that they voted against Obamacare. It doesn't make any difference in the long run. It is law and will not be repealed. Probably never once it goes into effect.

    The question everyone should ask is: "How much taxpayer money was spent so that Republicans could waste the American people's time on a useless gesture?" If you figure the salaries of all the members of the House and their staffs and the use of the building (utilities), security, printing costs, and all other assorted costs, it's sure that it is a significant sum. And, considering this has been done over 37 times, the cost to the taxpayers is better applied elsewhere.

    Why complain about such wasteful spending when this type of spending goes unchallenged? Perhaps Republicans think that giving the opportunity to each and every new Republican legislator after each election cycle builds morale within the ranks, but I'd rather have a tax cut than waste my hard earned dollars on a symbolic gesture, particularly when it's been done so many time before.