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Students who try e-cigarettes more likely to start smoking

Published: Thursday, May 16 2013 6:13 a.m. MDT

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BryMer
Layton, UT

This is backwards. E-cigs are deterring these students from smoking real cigarettes. Ecigs are not a gateway to, but more a gateway away from analog cigarettes. Utah politics/law makers as well as whomever wrote this article are all very mal-informed about this revolutionary breakaway analog cigarettes and what are the negative side affects of vaping solutions, all of which are found in the grocery store? Nothing more than standing in the way of a smoke machine on stage, same exact solutions used. Please get correctly informed people. The Glycol used is not the ethane glycol used in antifreeze(which is the only toxic glycol) but a safe form used to help the flavors added. Information is key, I urge all Utahns to struggle to be more informed before they freak out on such subjects. The amount of people that make fun of this state for making mal-informed political decisions is inexcusable. (i.e. DABC).

Carson
Provo, UT

My Brother smoked for over 40 years. The E-Cigs helped him stop, and he has been smoke free for over 3 years. If the E-cig helps one kid stay away fro tobacco it's a good thing. Many adults have stopped smoking with E-Cig help, get the real facts. Why don't you guys pass some laws that would really help the people of Utah. Instead of trying to reulate peoples morals!

Riverwalk
Ogden, UT

"Something has to be done," he said. "We have to have a discussion on how to keep these out of the hands of our children."

The community of retailers of Electronic Cigarettes are having discussions on how to keep electronic cigarettes out of the hands of children. With the help of the Utah Vapers Association we are setting up retail standards, that a lot of the individual shops have committed to. Aaron Fraizer is organizing these events. I am sure Aaron, would be ok with Paul Ray joining in on our retailer discussions.

So Paul if you read this. Google Utah Vapers. Retail standards are on the right side of the page and Aaron's email address is located at the bottom of the page.

I would have linked it, but they won't let me.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@BryMer

"The Glycol used is not the ethane glycol used in antifreeze..."

The stuff in antifreeze is called ethylene glycol, not ethane glycol. A word of advice: If you're going to masquerade as an expert on the internet, you'll be more convincing if you get your facts straight first.

Trick
San Bruno, CA

It's disappointing to see this same misinformation published here again. The Utah study does not show that using e-cigarettes leads to smoking; it only shows that there's a lot of students who have tried e-cigarettes have also smoked. That's to be expected, since smokers are more likely to try e-cigarettes.

Ray's got some weird paranoia about things being marketed to kids. E-cigarettes are not marketed to children any place I've ever seen, and in any case, they are not a gateway to tobacco. They are intended to do the exact opposite -- steer people away from it.

Keeping e-cigs away from kids is the right thing to do... but Ray has shown a tendency to lie about them to make that happen, and there's no need for that.

And what's up with calling them "mist sticks?" Nobody calls them that.

Write-up of yesterday's article here: http://wp.me/p3dXcX-1dq

TurkingForVapor
Portland, OR

This is ridiculous... Half of the things in this article are made up. "Mist-sticks??" I have no problem restricting sales to minors, but PV's are not anywhere near as harmful as tobacco. I started smoking cigarettes when I was 14, making them illegal for minors only makes them more attractive to them, ensuring that they will want to use them MORE! But that's OKAY because it means they won't be as likely to smoke cigarettes and that's a WIN! Good luck trying to stay in the 19th century Utah!

MattZuke
TACOMA, WA

"Ray is most concerned with the perceived health issues surrounding use of the devices, which he said project the same toxic chemical as cigarettes."

No, this is false, unless you count TSNAs which the FDA determined e-cigarettes tested contained FEWER than the Nicotrol Inhaler. The same observation was made by studies paid for by Ruyan, which put e-cigarettes at 8.18nanograms/ml per 16mg, roughly on par with a 4mg nicotine patch. The FDA considers this safe for NRPs, which are now allowed to be used beyond 12 week programs. How does fewer TSNAs become unsafe.

He's likely talking nicotine which is not toxic at the levels in cigarettes. Nicotine was never the issue with cigarettes, it was the dirty delivery system.

1herbie
stansbury park, UT

I do agree e cigs should not be in the hands of anyone not of legal age. Can we say the current laws have stopped kids from smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol? Maybe let the parents do their jobs and parent their kids! I don't remember Rep. Paul Ray in my bed when I and my wife decided to have kids. I teach my kids how to live, I teach my kids to surround themselves with others that have the same morals and values. Rep. Paul Ray by focusing on e cigs has lost sight of bigger issues, how are we helping the kids who are homeless, abused, starving, breathing the poor air in Utah or under educated. Just an FYI nicotine can be found in Tomato, Potato, Eggplant, Peppers and Cauliflower. Maybe... just maybe we should focus on the parents that my need help talking to their kids and not treating adults like children.

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