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What others say: Other end of an audit

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  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    May 15, 2013 10:03 p.m.

    "I'm sure it does. Where was the corresponding directive for 'progressive' groups?"

    Umm... maybe because there was not an explosion of new progressive groups right after the first election for Obama. Now with that said, rhetoric aside, this level of abuse of power seems to happen in each administration. Those who think they are doing the will of the president gaff - greatly and embarrassingly for the current administration.

    We have this act - absolutely out of line. Before this we had good old Scooter Libby and the outing of a CIA agents identity for not supporting the WMD narrative. These types of embarrassment plague all administrations. Clinton had Travelgate. Bush I was snared in IranContra questions, as was his predecessor.

    Laws may been broken here, and as with other administrations, some may need to pay for their over exuberance. Rightfully so.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 15, 2013 6:49 p.m.

    When a law enforcement agency fails, the cheers you hear are probably from the bad guys.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    May 15, 2013 3:55 p.m.

    The IRS is the agency that Obama instituted to force compliance with Obamacare. After seeing how the IRS is a puppet for Obama, we should wonder just how fair and neutral Obamacare will be. Are we going to be "audited" if we disagree with some part of the nearly 3,000 pages of Obamacare? Are we going to be "audited" if we question payments made to OUR doctors for OUR treatment?

    When the IRS feels that its duty is to aid the President to "perform his duties", that agency is suspect and all who work in that agency are suspect.

    Washington has the right to collect taxes, but it doesn't have the right to "audit" those who speak out against the current administration.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    May 15, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    Maybe we should wait for and hear the facts before we jump to any conclusions.

    The Diane Rehm show on NPR (available in UT) had an excellent program discussing this issue.

    I can tell you Presidents and Congress develop and pass laws. Pres. Obama doesn't have anything to do with the IRS issue.

    What we really need to do is to revise our campaign laws so that we don't have these types of opaque quasi-political organizations masquerading as something else. The law says 401c-4s must be EXCLUSIVELY involved in social welfare as opposed to political activities for tax-ezempt status. However, the IRS for the past many years has interpreted the law as requiring organizations to be PRIMARILY involved in social welfare activities.

    Let's pass the Disclose Act requiring:

    any group that spends $10,000 or more on election ads, or any other political activity, to file a disclosure report with the FEC and to disclose donors who gave $10,000 or more and provide a statement from the group’s head ratifying that there was no coordination with any campaign, which is illegal.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    May 15, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    @Happy Valley Heretic "Well Nate..."

    Okay. So you don't want talk a about Douglas Shulman's donation to the DNC. I can see why.

    Back to my other question: where's the memo-that's-not-a-directive ...um... directing the staff to check out groups with the word 'progressive' in their titles?

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 15, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    Well Nate, Obama obviously inserted his sleeper agent into GW's admin through mind control, years before he was appointed the President of the United States by the communists thru voter fraud at the polls, or let me beat your fellow poster to it, the IRS guy wanted free stuff so he sent a check to the "Elect Obama, Get Free Stuff -PAC or the DNC, you know the bad guys.

    There was NO directive, there was a memo.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 15, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    When a law enforcement agency fails, the cheers you hear are probably from criminals.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    May 15, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    @Happy Valley Heretic "Simply sending a memo that says, 'Hey folks, it looks like those 'tea party' groups are mostly political. Be sure to check social welfare activity is valid,' seems perfectly acceptable to me."

    I'm sure it does. Where was the corresponding directive for 'progressive' groups?

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    May 15, 2013 11:17 a.m.

    @Happy Valley Heretic "Then why was it that a Bush Appointee was running the IRS when this happened."

    Yes, and why was this Bush appointee donating money to the Democratic National Committee?

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    Someone in the IRS tilted the playing field to the left. That much is clear but all of the facts are yet to be discovered. Predictably, the left wingers have brought Bush into the equation. Now if we can only figure out how Bush is responsible for the LA Lakers downfall and the Jazz not making the playoffs.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 15, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    The IRS's head was appointed by George W Bush. But those wanting to somehow blame this on Obama apparently aren't interested in facts.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 15, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    Mountanman said:
    The IRS is the most important agency in Obama's re-distribution of wealth and his fundamentally changing America agendas. Stop the IRS and you stop Obama's agenda.

    Then why was it that a Bush Appointee was running the IRS when this happened.

    I AM NOT blaming bush , just pointing to another logical flaw in your grand conspiracy theories.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 15, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    I've been audited. These folks weren't even audited!! Their application was essentially subject to review to see if they were eligible for tax exempt status.

    Was it based on the difficulty of determining if the majority of these particular groups' activities were to 1) promote social welfare, or 2) engage in political activity?
    The particular section of law they are applying under requires that the groups are for "promoting social welfare," yet all Tea Party groups were clearly engaged in loud, blatant and very public political activities.
    Simply sending a memo that says, "Hey folks, it looks like those 'tea party' groups are mostly political. Be sure to check social welfare activity is valid," seems perfectly acceptable to me.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 15, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    Is the president really micro managing the activities of front line civil servants?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    May 15, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    The IRS is the most important agency in Obama's re-distribution of wealth and his fundamentally changing America agendas. Stop the IRS and you stop Obama's agenda.