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Published: Wednesday, May 15 2013 5:00 a.m. MDT

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skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

So then Zelph was not a BOM Lamanite, how did JS get this one wrong.

Michigander
Westland, MI

@ skeptic:

Very good. Not everything that Joseph Smith prophesied or taught was correct or true. It's a nice change of pace to see someone on this comment board who has discernment.

Zelph was a fabrication of Joseph's often very imaginative mind.

Northern Lights
Louisville, KY

Re: Skeptic and Michigan:

The story of Zelph found its way into Church History through sources associated with, but not directly from Joseph Smith. At least I haven't found in any of Joseph Smith's personal journals related to this topic. As far as I'm concerned, there is no way to say for certain exactly what Joseph Smith said during this particular event.

Then again, Joseph Smith may have told this story just to get your goat...

skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

Northern lights,
It is difficult to be objective towards things that one is devoted to or loves, but the command is to seek the truth for one's self and not be misguided by others follies.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

It just goes to show, nobody is perfect, don't pretend to be something your not.

AZ Blue & Red
Gilbert, AZ

Have to laugh at some of the comments. Sounds like the rumor game. If true nowhere I see does it say BOM Lamanite. Were any of us there in 1834 to really comment on this? I grew up with Native Americans who were often called Lamanites in the church. So it could be anything. Did he give a date? Gad I do not believe all the things I hear about certain people or myself.

Believe or not here are a few other things that we could also debate. (and I could name hundreds from around the world)

1) Jonas and the Whale
2) Moses and the plagues, parting the Red Sea, millions fleeing for 40 years
3) Noah and the Ark
4) My favorite is my Great grandmother dating back 2 trillion generation was a fish. Darwin my hero. Have to throw in the Big Bag theory here too. Makes the power ball odds almost 100%

If you base your opinion of Joseph Smith on things such as this story (true or not) then your belief is either weak or not there. I found this interesting not faith shaking.

Michigander
Westland, MI

Re: Northern Lights:

Joseph Smith's story of Zelph is recorded in the diaries of SIX members of Zion's Camp: George A. Smith, Levi Hancock, Reuben McBride, Heber C. Kimball, Moses Martin, and Wilford Woodruff. Therefore, what is recorded in History of the Church, Vol.2 is exactly what Joseph Smith said, being corroborated by many witnesses.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

"Some accounts note that the Prophet identified the remains as a righteous Lamanite named Zelph. " "A righteous Lamanite"..."not a BOM Lamanite".

Quibbles and bits

gtayor10
Encinitas, CA

I believe that Joseph Smith was correct. If you research what is called the Hopewell nation they were a huge civilization that existed on the North American Continent covering thousands of cities during the same period as the Book of Mormon Nephite and Lamanite peoples. You can research more on Hopewell people on line and verify the data collected from carbon dating.
I would also recommend further research on firmlds.org

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